Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[Lightning]

Jeri Taylor wanted a woman to command the Voyager, and that was about all she said on the matter. No shouting it from the rooftops.

There was a lot of press about the first female Captain. For RoP you seem to be counting all press about the show as statements by the showrunners, but not for Voyager, where only a direct quote from the producer counts.

I myself am making a "The Cage" uniform, but better tailored. When a little care is taken... well, it actually looks more like it leads to the TWOK uniform than what we got in the rest of TOS -- double-breasted jacket and everything.

I hope you share your results, I've had similar ideas about that uniform for years but no way to do anything with it.

no one working on "The Cage" or at Desilu (a studio run by a woman) thought there was anything bizarre about Number One being a woman. It was only a couple suits at NBC who thought it "too unrealistic".

Remember, the real problem was that she was played by the producers mistress. It's within the realm of possibility that all the supposed objections about a "woman in command" were made up by Roddenberry later. I've certainly never seen any archival documentation of it, just stories about test screenings and the like.

I would have loved if they had started with that bridge set and updated materials and displays and such to capture the feel of that set, without necessarily recreating it.

This is what I would have preferred as well, however I'm fine with what we got. The issue is, of course, everyone draws the line in a different spot. The SNW sets definitely nailed the "1960's mid-century future" aesthetic.

 

[Gregatron]

What I get tired of is the "If you don't love Disco/Picard/SNW, then you're a backwards 60's era bigot!!" mentality coming out of certain ones if you don't walk mindlessly in lockstep with them. If "woke" is supposed to be awakened to social issues that have been ignored for too long, then isn't the automatic ad hominem attack per disagreement a long-standing one that should have died centuries ago?

On another issue: I'm tired of seeing a concept protected so religiously, that nothing examining it nor any criticism is allowed. I know that in material construction, if an item or a particular material cannot stand under its' own weight or against the forces that are inherent to its' function, then the material/ is deemed useless and replaced. In that same vein: if something becomes so sacrosanct that it cannot bear/ is actively protected from any sort of criticism, then that thing is unable to stand on its' own merits.

So why should that be not only protected, but forced vehemently and obnoxiously upon others with the force of a sledgehammer?

In the end, all it's going to do is ensure that when it finally does die, it ends up being remembered as unfavorably as most of the other poorer epochs in history...

...right next to leisure suits and bell bottoms from the 70's.

It comes down to insecure people attacking those who dare to question the virtue-signaling they do to in order to make themselves feel special.

Not quality, not love of the franchise. Just small egos and small minds.

 

[Gregatron]

That's why those people get put on ignore permanently. They've proven that they're just immature children and I have no time for that. They can't intellectually defend their position so they just whine and cry and act like idiots.

And try to attack the people who’ve rightfully ignored them with laughing emojis.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

And try to attack the people who’ve rightfully ignored them with laughing emojis.

And begging the mods to ban them for it.

 

[pengbuzz]

And begging the mods to ban them for it.

And remain in the thread even though they dislike how the convo is going.

 

[Picard102]

And remain in the thread even though they dislike how the convo is going.

Except a new thread was started, and then merged into this one.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

And remain in the thread even though they dislike how the convo is going.

And cry that they’re a victim of hostility because we don’t all agree with them.

 

[somerset fox]

Am somewhat late to the party, but this week signed up for a Paramount+ trial subscription so I could catch up with SNW and despite feeling less than satisfied with both Disco and Picard, really enjoyed it. Liked the lighter tone, story of the week format. Thought the costumes worked better on this, especially ditching the asymmetric collar effect and really liked the appearance of the Monster Maroon.

of course there’s criticisms. What show doesn’t? Sure they’re covered elsewhere in this thread, so won’t regurgitate them here. can cancel the subscription now and wait for season 2.

 

[Picard102]

Am somewhat late to the party, but this week signed up for a Paramount+ trial subscription so I could catch up with SNW and despite feeling less than satisfied with both Disco and Picard, really enjoyed it. Liked the lighter tone, story of the week format. Thought the costumes worked better on this, especially ditching the asymmetric collar effect and really liked the appearance of the Monster Maroon.

of course there’s criticisms. What show doesn’t? Sure they’re covered elsewhere in this thread, so won’t regurgitate them here. can cancel the subscription now and wait for season 2.

I wasn't thrilled with the MM shoulder strap length. I think they were trying to match the cuts of the other uniforms and it just didn't look right to me. Otherwise it was an interesting take on it.

Agree that the initial classic uniform collars were a poor choice to be in sync with the also poorly executed Disco uniforms.

 

[pengbuzz]

And cry that they’re a victim of hostility because we don’t all agree with them.

Yeah...a "strange new world" alright.

 

[5FingeredStyre]

Wow.

I didn't realise there was so much of a downer on Strange New Worlds amongst some fans. For what its worth, I seriously loved it. Best version of Trek since Series 4 of ST: Enterprise wrapped back in 2005.

Yeah, the tech differences between this and TOS are a little jarring, and yeah, the Enterprise is a little too updated (what are the cut-outs for on the warp engine pylons for, exactly? Peeling massive space potatoes maybe?)

My head canon just explains it all away by this being an alternate timeline created after the events of Star Trek: First Contact and the Borg shenanigans in Montana. I thought that about that happened in ST: Enterprise as well. The Borg incursion slightly altered things but the established continuity still applies, with subtle differences - such as every room being massive inside the what has to be a much larger version of the Enterprise, potato peeler warp struts and aztec panelling. As well as a skinny Captain Kirk...

This alternative timeline theory helps me sleep better at night...

 

[5FingeredStyre]

Pike does have hair like an Ice cream cone, though. Just sayin'

An impressive ice cream cone, but an ice cream cone, none the less...

 

[5FingeredStyre]

Got to say there is one thing does annoy me about ST:SNW...

What are the little fins for on the bottom of the Enterprise's warp engines? They just seem superfluous...

 

[Gregatron]

Got to say there is one thing does annoy me about ST:SNW...

What are the little fins for on the bottom of the Enterprise's warp engines? They just seem superfluous...

Just like the show.

 

[5FingeredStyre]

Just like the show.

I'll set 'em up, you knock 'em down

 

[Cephus]

Pike does have hair like an Ice cream cone, though. Just sayin'

An impressive ice cream cone, but an ice cream cone, none the less...

There's a reason it's called Strange New Hair.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

My head canon just explains it all away by this being an alternate timeline created after the events of Star Trek: First Contact and the Borg shenanigans in Montana. I thought that about that happened in ST: Enterprise as well. The Borg incursion slightly altered things but the established continuity still applies, with subtle differences - such as every room being massive inside the what has to be a much larger version of the Enterprise, potato peeler warp struts and aztec panelling. As well as a skinny Captain Kirk...

This alternative timeline theory helps me sleep better at night...

That's the biggest problem, though. CBS and the showrunner maintain that it isn't. This is exactly the same setting as was watched back in the '60s, according to them. Any inconsistencies you just have to ignore. Rather than a respectful "Trials and Tribble-ations" approach, they're "updating" everything they felt should be this or that way, regardless of the impact on continuity, since apparently the structural integrity of the fictional universe they have the privilege of playing around in is less important than their artistic whimsy.

Enterprise, Discovery, and Picard maintain the same, despite also not fitting with prior established material. It is absolutely an AU. If they'd just own that, 60% of my problems with all of those would vanish.

...But there'd still be the bad writing characterization and set design and set lighting and so on and so on. I'm glad you like the stories, filtered through your headcanon. I don't, objectively and subjectively, and am still baffled by those that do. Especially long-time Trek fans. Why I have stayed mostly mum. I say my piece, and then try to let people enjoy things.

 

[Gregatron]

We're well beyond reboots and nostalgia-milking, at this point.

It's full-on cannibalism, now.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

As an aside, the great RJ Shaw of The Fourth Age channel on YouTube recently posted a video examining today's zombie franchises, specifically Marvel Comics, and the shell-company shenanigans surrounding them.

Marvel Comics is a dead company. Unprofitable, and basically used by a larger parent company (Disney) to project an illusion of health and social justice/ESG relevance in order to attract investors. Without their being kept afloat by The Mouse, they'd go under.

And so it is with STAR TREK.

“It’s worse than dead, Jim! It’s a Zombie franchise…”

 

[NakedMoleRat]

That's the biggest problem, though. CBS and the showrunner maintain that it isn't. This is exactly the same setting as was watched back in the '60s, according to them. Any inconsistencies you just have to ignore. Rather than a respectful "Trials and Tribble-ations" approach, they're "updating" everything they felt should be this or that way, regardless of the impact on continuity, since apparently the structural integrity of the fictional universe they have the privilege of playing around in is less important than their artistic whimsy.

Enterprise, Discovery, and Picard maintain the same, despite also not fitting with prior established material. It is absolutely an AU. If they'd just own that, 60% of my problems with all of those would vanish.

...But there'd still be the bad writing characterization and set design and set lighting and so on and so on. I'm glad you like the stories, filtered through your headcanon. I don't, objectively and subjectively, and am still baffled by those that do. Especially long-time Trek fans. Why I have stayed mostly mum. I say my piece, and then try to let people enjoy things.

To me, Prodigy is the ONLY thing that comes close to Trek.

Though, in regard to SNW, of all the turds, it’s the shiniest!