Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[Gregatron]

No, you were just being obtuse. As others have said, it should have been bloody obvious to anyone paying any attention at all. It's being made by the exact same people who are making other crap Star Trek shows and the only reason it's being made at all is because the others have terrible ratings and aren't making any money. They figure that making it LOOK like classic Trek will be enough to bamboozle existing fans but it won't if it has the same kind of post-modern sensibilities that has ruined so many movies and TV series in modern times. Just because they brought back Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton in Terminator: Dark Fate, where they were trying to do the same thing, that didn't make it a good movie. Bringing back Pike and the Enterprise won't make this good either.

And remember that Schwarzenegger and Hamilton were clearly brought back in just to lure the audience back so they could watch those beloved characters be completely dismantled. Same with Mark Hamill and STAR WARS, and numerous others.

Bait and switch.

 

[Paul Andrew]

No, you were just being obtuse. As others have said, it should have been bloody obvious to anyone paying any attention at all. It's being made by the exact same people who are making other crap Star Trek shows and the only reason it's being made at all is because the others have terrible ratings and aren't making any money. They figure that making it LOOK like classic Trek will be enough to bamboozle existing fans but it won't if it has the same kind of post-modern sensibilities that has ruined so many movies and TV series in modern times. Just because they brought back Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton in Terminator: Dark Fate, where they were trying to do the same thing, that didn't make it a good movie. Bringing back Pike and the Enterprise won't make this good either.

Hollywood is not exactly notorious for continuing to throw money at people/shows/properties that don't make money. I don't think your assumption would hold water upon direct scrutiny here. I also don't care enough to actually research whether or not those shows "make money" because it would be more tedious than arguing about the proposed merits of streaming scifi shows with strangers on the internet.

 

[Picard102]

the only reason it's being made at all is because the others have terrible ratings and aren't making any money.

Source?

post-modern sensibilities that has ruined so many movies and TV series in modern times.

What about postmodernism has ruined movies and tv?

 

[Cephus]

And remember that Schwarzenegger and Hamilton were clearly brought back in just to lure the audience back so they could watch those beloved characters be completely dismantled. Same with Mark Hamill and STAR WARS, and numerous others.

Bait and switch.

And the Hollywood idiots aren't aware that the audience can see right through it. Well, at least some of us can. There seem to be some who grew up to think this was good and go see it anyhow.

Those are the people with the problems, not us.

 

[Cephus]

Hollywood is not exactly notorious for continuing to throw money at people/shows/properties that don't make money. I don't think your assumption would hold water upon direct scrutiny here. I also don't care enough to actually research whether or not those shows "make money" because it would be more tedious than arguing about the proposed merits of streaming scifi shows with strangers on the internet.

Yet they do. On paper, you'd think Hollywood would figure it out, yet we're seeing a long and protracted period of time where their ratings are in the toilet and their movies aren't making money and they can't figure out why. Woke culture has infested Hollywood, to the point that they are convinced this isn't only what America wants (even though we demonstrably don't) but this is what America needs and it's their job to indoctrinate everyone whether it makes money or not. Just look at the reactions to all of these failed movies. Nobody goes to see it and the producers and directors and actors all scream "racism!" It's not racism, it's a crap movie! Yet you can look at tons of Hollywood idiots coming out and trying to explain their failures away. Look at Bree Larson and Paul Feig, the list goes on and on, who can't accept that they are making a product that the viewing audience doesn't want to see, because they're convinced that they're saving the world.

No, the only thing they're doing is making themselves, and Hollywood as a whole, look like complete idiots.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Yet they do. On paper, you'd think Hollywood would figure it out, yet we're seeing a long and protracted period of time where their ratings are in the toilet and their movies aren't making money and they can't figure out why. Woke culture has infested Hollywood, to the point that they are convinced this isn't only what America wants (even though we demonstrably don't) but this is what America needs and it's their job to indoctrinate everyone into their political cult whether it makes money or not. Just look at the reactions to all of these failed movies. Nobody goes to see it and the producers and directors and actors all scream "racism!" It's not racism, it's a crap movie! Yet you can look at tons of Hollywood idiots coming out and trying to explain their failures away. Look at Bree Larson and Paul Feig, the list goes on and on, who can't accept that they are making a product that the viewing audience doesn't want to see, because they're convinced that they're saving the world.

No, the only thing they're doing is making themselves, and Hollywood as a whole, look like complete idiots.

Honestly, I think you're hopelessly off base in these conclusions. Good luck sir. They can still have my $12.99 a month or whatever so long as I keep getting new Trek.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I like it….

I also enjoy Discovery and Picard.

Say no more sir; you have appropriately qualified your statement and tastes.



I’m hoping I end up with pie on my face and Strange New Worlds knocks the cover off the ball.

 

[Cephus]

Say no more sir, you have appropriately qualified your statement and tastes.



I’m hoping I end up with pie on my face and Strange New Worlds knocks the cover off the ball.

They say there's no accounting for taste, I guess.

 

[Lightning]

same writers

Wrong. After the pilot everyone I've found listed as a writer so far hasn't written for Trek before.

 

[Paul Andrew]

They say there's no accounting for taste, I guess.

This particular section of the board has been at least half-filled with folks attempting to account for tastes since the sequel trilogy, if not before.

 

[Cephus]

This particular section of the board has been at least half-filled with folks attempting to account for tastes since the sequel trilogy, if not before.

Well, just because people like a thing, they still ought to be able to justify WHY they like it and what about it is actually good, which most people don't even attempt to do.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

…They can still have my $12.99 a month or whatever so long as I keep getting new Trek.

Somewhere…deep in the dark and lonely bowels of the Secret Hideout…an exhausted employee hurriedly scrambles and takes a screenshot of this statement and drops it into a folder on his computer, while shrieking:

“It’s working, sir!! It’s working!! I finally found the proof!! They will continue to pay, no matter what, so long as we call it Star Trek!!! Now, may I have a Waffle Party and have Ms. Casey tell me something about my Outie???”



Sorry, I’m really just being a nasty troll, I know. I couldn’t resist the low hanging fruit there and the opportunity to make a “Severance” reference. It’s all in fun for me. I’m done now.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Well, just because people like a thing, they still ought to be able to justify WHY they like it and what about it is actually good, which most people don't even attempt to do.

Here's the thing, no one has to justify why they like a thing. It's ok to just like things. There isn't an almighty media god demanding you have approved logic for liking what you like before passing the celluloid gates.

 

[Cephus]

Here's the thing, no one has to justify why they like a thing. It's ok to just like things. There isn't an almighty media god demanding you have approved logic for liking what you like before passing the celluloid gates.

Then there's no point to having a discussion because anyone can just say "I like it!"

 

[Paul Andrew]

Then there's no point to having a discussion because anyone can just say "I like it!"

Discussion doesn't require justification.
I can like the fact that people on Discovery have reasonable emotional responses to extreme situations and you can despise it because it doesn't fit your view of who starfleet members should be, neither has to be wrong or right or justified to be what a person likes.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

People…people. I implore you to stop this arguing.

Let us just settle this by acknowledging that there are those that enjoy aspirational characters representing the best of humanity, quality storytelling, and an adherence to the history and positive legacy of Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek, and there are those that have the opposing point of view and enjoy the current programs being produced that have “Star Trek” in their title.

There should be room for both in this world.

My work here is done.

 

[Apollo]

I would say it was time for a colorful metaphor, but we are WAY past that...........

 

[Gregatron]

Yet they do. On paper, you'd think Hollywood would figure it out, yet we're seeing a long and protracted period of time where their ratings are in the toilet and their movies aren't making money and they can't figure out why. Woke culture has infested Hollywood, to the point that they are convinced this isn't only what America wants (even though we demonstrably don't) but this is what America needs and it's their job to indoctrinate everyone into their political cult whether it makes money or not. Just look at the reactions to all of these failed movies. Nobody goes to see it and the producers and directors and actors all scream "racism!" It's not racism, it's a crap movie! Yet you can look at tons of Hollywood idiots coming out and trying to explain their failures away. Look at Bree Larson and Paul Feig, the list goes on and on, who can't accept that they are making a product that the viewing audience doesn't want to see, because they're convinced that they're saving the world.

No, the only thing they're doing is making themselves, and Hollywood as a whole, look like complete idiots.

It has become abundantly clear that The Message (and ESG scores and other social credit/government handouts) are now more important than immediate financial success or good ratings.

They always double down, and many of these shows are just loss-leaders, now. BATWOMAN--an awful CW show in a sea of afwul CW shows, has only just now been cancelled, when it should never have been produced, much less had a full first season.

And so it is with STD and PICARD and any other number of shows.

 

[Gregatron]

Discussion doesn't require justification.
I can like the fact that people on Discovery have reasonable emotional responses to extreme situations and you can despise it because it doesn't fit your view of who starfleet members should be, neither has to be wrong or right or justified to be what a person likes.

Yes, let's continue to tear down objective standards of consistency and quality in favor of how people feel.

And the whole point of Starfleet in the real STAR TREK is that these people are highly-trained professionals--the best of the best. Not a bunch of people on the spectrum who would never pass a routine physical, are constantly crying, and have absolutely no conception of chain of command or military discipline.


Everything in pop culture is becoming infantilized, and these shows are written by stupid, middle-aged children who have no life experience and no knowledge of science (or science-fiction), and who jam their personal traumas and their politics into everything.


People are free to like what they like, but don't dare tell me that the "reasonable emotional responses" of the people in these terrible shows are in any way consistent with the universe and the ethos created by Gene Roddenberry. There is no suspension of disbelief, here. All of these clowns would have been booted off of Kirk or Picard's Enterprise. And some of them court-martialed. Totally disgraceful.

To say nothing of the disregard for life in all of its forms. Kirk FELT it when a crewman under his command died. Whereas annoying mansplainers on STD are humiliated or killed off for laughs.

 

[Cephus]

Yes, let's continue to tear down objective standards of consistency and quality in favor of how people feel.

And the whole point of Starfleet in the real STAR TREK is that these people are highly-trained professionals--the best of the best. Not a bunch of people on the spectrum who would never pass a routine physical, are constantly crying, and have absolutely no conception of chain of command or military discipline.


Everything in pop culture is becoming infantilized, and these shows are written by stupid, middle-aged children who have no life experience and no knowledge of science (or science-fiction), and who jam their personal traumas and their politics into everything.


People are free to like what they like, but don't dare tell me that the "reasonable emotional responses" of the people in these terrible shows are in any way consistent with the universe and the ethos created by Gene Roddenberry. There is no suspension of disbelief, here. All of these clowns would have been booted off of Kirk or Picard's Enterprise. And some of them court-martialed. Totally disgraceful.

To say nothing of the disregard for life in all of its forms. Kirk FELT it when a crewman under his command died. Whereas annoying mansplainers on STD are humiliated or killed off for laughs.

Which was kind of my point. We can actually argue what's wrong with these shows because I think a lot of us live in the real world where these things actually, supposedly take place and a lot of people on the other side, they just don't. They've never been in the military. They don't understand how these things actually work. What we see instead is "it makes me happy!" which goes right into your very correct statement about cultural infantalization these days. It's all about feelings and not about facts.

That's not to insult people who like these shows, I just want to know WHY? What is it about these shows that you can point to and say is good. The acting? The writing? The effects? Or, as I suspect, is it the MESSAGE? That seems to be more and more what's going on. It doesn't even seem to be the shows themselves anymore, those are just a vehicle for the indoctrinated ideas that get stuffed into their heads in colleges these days, because it's somehow emotionally comforting.

I just find that very, very sad.

Now I'm sure there are people out there who can speak intelligently about these shows, who can actually disassemble them and explain, in detail, why they think they're good. That's the kind of person I'd love to talk to because even the people making these shows seem incapable of it. That's why I pointed out people like Bree Larson and Paul Feig throwing immature temper tantrums because people were pointing out just how bad these movies and shows are and the only thing they can come up with is a childish "nuh-uh!" This seems to be what passes for rational discourse these days and again, that's kind of pathetic, isn't it? Life is not about your feelings. There's a lot of people out there who desperately need to grow up. Somehow, a lot of those people have stumbled into Hollywood and can't figure out what they're doing wrong.