Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)

Bryancd said:
Yeah the gist I get us he is pissed at Starfleet/The Federation or a part thereof. I think his obvious super abilities and the cry-like tubes shown in the trailer continues to hint he and others are augments.. And they're pissed. :)
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I agree. Starfleet likely frowns upon him using this technology to help others. In the trailer I assume that he helps the family with the dying child. Maybe he tries to do the same for someone close to him, only to get stopped which leads to their death?
 
Over a year ago, I had read about the potential plot lines. The following is what you are starting to see:

Older Spock from the future knows now what the Enterprise
is going to encounter on its five year mission. One of the larger
threats the crew faces is meeting up with the eugenics ship and
Khan. (Scene shown with the stasis tubes) Spock has Star Fleet intercept
the ship in advanced and personally wakes Khan. Spock is able to convince
Khan to go to work for Star Fleet as a special mission (like a seal team)
without telling him what originally occurred in his past. An event causes
Khan find out what Spock had done and he decides to wreak havoc on
Star Fleet knowing many of its inner secret through his Star Fleet
training.
 
tripoli said:
Over a year ago, I had read about the potential plot lines. The following is what you are starting to see:
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I believe that education is all about being excited about something. Seeing passion and enthusiasm helps push an educational message. - Steve Irwin
Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself. - John Dewey

........?

Well, I guess an educational Star Trek would be interesting. Darmok is an excellent example on Picard and an Alien Captain trying to learn and understand one another.

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OH! You just edited it to include the spoiler. I see now.

Still, six months is pretty quick to go from the thawing stages all the way to vengeance against Starfleet. However, given how quickly Khan became an expert in how the Enterprise functions, it's not improbable. I do recall Trekmovie.com posting a very spoiler heavy article saying that their sources confirmed that Benedict is indeed playing Khan.

If this is indeed true, I do pity the fact that Spock doesn't just send Khan and his followers to a more hopeful planet for him to raise his empire, and that the Federation would one day welcome his people into their society.
 
Sorry, my internet provider is hanging tonight on the signal, keeps cutting out as I post, spoiler tags corrected.

I am an very old fan Trekkie attending cons in the 70's (friend of Bijo), heard this from a network of friends in the know. Cannot say absolutely as it was over a year ago Lots and Lots of changes in the script), but they have been right every time in the past on the story plot lines.
 
tripoli said:
Over a year ago, I had read about the potential plot lines. The following is what you are starting to see:

Older Spock from the future knows now what the Enterprise
is going to encounter on its five year mission. One of the larger
threats the crew faces is meeting up with the eugenics ship and
Khan. (Scene shown with the stasis tubes) Spock has Star Fleet intercept
the ship in advanced and personally wakes Khan. Spock is able to convince
Khan to go to work for Star Fleet as a special mission (like a seal team)
without telling him what originally occurred in his past. An event causes
Khan find out what Spock had done and he decides to wreak havoc on
Star Fleet knowing many of its inner secret through his Star Fleet
training.
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tripoli said:
Sorry, my internet provider is hanging tonight on the signal, keeps cutting out as I post, spoiler tags corrected.

I am an very old fan Trekkie attending cons in the 70's (friend of Bijo), heard this from a network of friends in the know. Cannot say absolutely as it was over a year ago Lots and Lots of changes in the script), but they have been right every time in the past on the story plot lines.
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Eeeeeenteresting. Would you object if I shared this on another forum? Accurate or not, I know some other fans who would get a kick out of it.
 
Yeah I was wondering about that. Think QMX will do those up? Hehe. I'll take one more for my phaser collection.:lol
 
tripoli said:
Sorry, my internet provider is hanging tonight on the signal, keeps cutting out as I post, spoiler tags corrected.

I am an very old fan Trekkie attending cons in the 70's (friend of Bijo), heard this from a network of friends in the know. Cannot say absolutely as it was over a year ago Lots and Lots of changes in the script), but they have been right every time in the past on the story plot lines.
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I heard something similar but doesnt look like the film will be taking the route that i heard of.

I heard Spock informs starfleet about Khan, Enterprise is launched to find, intercept, and bring the Botany Bay back to Earth (without waking the crew).
Unfortunately, when Nero's ship was captured by the Klingons, it had records of Spock's missions aboard the enterprise....Which included his encounter with Khan.
The Klingons extrapolated the course of the Botany Bay based on the Enterprises prime reality records and went out and discovered Khan's ship months earlier. At this point, Khan and his crew , through subterfuge, had already started recruiting Klingons for their own cause (While plotting a complete take over at some point). Khan and his crew are now established with their own Klingon armada and have been planning an attack on Starfleet...etc. etc.
 
I love the Abrams-verse designs of the Klingons and their ships even though you only get glimpses in the finished film and have to go to the deleted scenes to get a really good look. I was hoping to see more of them.
 
Caveneau said:
Klingons took Nero's ship? I thought it was destroyed?
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It's a deleted scene in Trek '09.

Nero's ship arrives in the past 25 years before Spock's ship arrives in the past.

So in the movie Nero is just hanging around for 25 years waiting for Spock to show up (even though they both went through the blackhole at the same time). This is why Nero had gone insane... long to time to wait.

However in a deleted sequence, Nero's ship was captured by the Klingons, and Nero taken to Rura Pente (the Klingon prison planet from Star Trek VI).

There he spent decades being tortured by the Klingons, until he escaped (I assume he somehow recaptured his ship with his Romulan buddies).

This whole sequence of Nero on Rura Pente was deleted because test audiences felt sorry for Nero (he would have flashbacks to his family on Romulus while being tortured)--- so as a result, it was unclear to the audience that he was a villain. A movie like this needed a clear cut villain so anything that might generate sympathy for Nero was removed.


Kevin
 
Uhura has dialog establishing that in the released film (see also earlier arguement that she's window dressing and no one listens to her vs action heroine and motivation for multiple characters) where she is all excited about intercepting and translating a transmission from the Klingon Homeworld about a single ship destroying 47 warbirds. The info is heard by that mouth breather Kirk and used again later to keep Pike from sending the 'Prise her her death like all the ships that didn't have the parking break on.
 
SSgt Burton said:
This whole sequence of Nero on Rura Pente was deleted because test audiences felt sorry for Nero (he would have flashbacks to his family on Romulus while being tortured)--- so as a result, it was unclear to the audience that he was a villain. A movie like this needed a clear cut villain so anything that might generate sympathy for Nero was removed.
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SFDebris had an interesting take on the situation..

"Now, the weird part is that the film is actually the one place where Nero is this brooding doofus with a thumb up his ass who does crazy sh** seemingly on a whim. The novelization and the Countdown comic book, we see and understand the complexity of Nero and what he is doing. And we really learn that he could have possibly been the strongest villain in the film since Khan if they would have allowed him to.

Nero was a working class guy captaining a mining ship and saw the start of this cataclysm first hand, so when Spock was warning the Romulan senate of the threat, Nero stood up to his defense. He was a representative of the mining guild and he urged them to take action. When they refused, after careful contemplation with his wife, Nero convinced his crew that Spock was their only hope. That they had to put their trust in Spock and the Vulcans. So they worked with Spock to mine the material necessary to produce this red matter even though such action would probably get them sentenced to life in a work camp if the Romulan senate ever found out. But they were willing to risk ANYTHING to try to stop this.

And what happened? The Vulcans, who were supposedly so logical, were far more concerned that the Romulans might use red matter as a weapon. All of Spock's promises were for nothing. He wanted time to change their minds but Nero knew there was no time left. And because Nero actually followed Spock instead of obeying the senate, they weren't at Romulus to evacuate their loved ones. The Vulcans failed them, the Federation failed them, and Spock failed them.... and Nero himself had failed them. Failed them for foolishly assuming that the others would actually help. And now there's no way to warn them. The foolish senate of this time wouldn't listen any more than they would 100 years from now when the threat was staring them in the face. And even as a lonely miner, they probably would probably be just as dismissive of him anyway.

So Nero's plan was all he had left to live for. Punishment. Punish Spock. Vulcan and the Federation for their inaction. To give them a small taste of their hypocrisy and handwringing that had allowed the disaster to occur. It is high time that someone finally makes them pay for what they knew was going to happen and refused to stop. It is time for justice to be done for the billions of Romulans that they allowed to die. To make them pay for every single one of those lives lost because they were basta*** and they deserve to die to!

Of course in the movie he's some bald emo with a trident. Because we had to have more time for this-

I CAN'T STAND IT, I KNOW YOU PLANNED IT
I'M GONNA SET IT STRAIGHT, THIS WATERGATE
God knows this kind of stuff is way more important than having an effective villain, am I right?
I CAN'T STAND ROCKING WHEN I'M IN HERE
'CAUSE YOUR CRYSTAL BALL AIN'T SO CRYSTAL CLEAR
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And really, don't you think JJ and team missed the point in having the audience sympathize with Nero? Because if they did sympathize with Nero, they would learn that he was a victim of what the Federation (THE GOOD GUYS) are going to allow happen in the future. Imagine through Spock Prime's mindmeld that Kirk actually understood why Nero was so vengeful and have that actually play a part in how Kirk tries to handle Nero from than on out.

I was SO CLOSE in giving the film my thumbs up when Kirk was hailing the Narada in offering assistance. I honestly believed that Kirk was going to try and help Nero fulfill his original goal in saving Romulas so that we wouldn't have to have any more death. Sure, he destroyed Vulcan, but that doesn't mean that Romulus should share the same fate. But instead, we get this "Make peace with Romulas" that comes out of nowhere (when was the Federation's relationship with Romulus ever brought up?), and Kirk deciding he wants the "Kill Nero" achievement before the Black Hole did him in. What will happen with Romulus, or for that matter the "galaxy threatening" super nova? Never brought up. Our timeless iconic science fiction characters now have the attention span of Fry from Futurama.

Leela: Should we really be celebrating? I mean, what if the second garbage ball returns to Earth like the first one did?
Fry: Who cares? That won't be for hundreds of years.
Farnsworth: Exactly! It's none of our concern.
Fry: That's the 20th century spirit!
 
DARTH SABER said:
Unfortunately, when Nero's ship was captured by the Klingons, it had records of Spock's missions aboard the enterprise....Which included his encounter with Khan.
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Sounds reasonable. I'm sure all Romulan mining vessels carry detailed Starfleet mission logs with them.

:rolleyes

(Which is no more inane than Nero and co. seeking out V'ger to find out where and when Spock would show up, and V'ger obliging.)
 
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