Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)

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  1. Dave Porter

    Dave Porter Sr Member

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  2. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Not at all surprising. The first film was pushed back from 2008 to 2009.

    I hope they use the extra time to develop a better-looking Enterprise and less bizarre looking hand props. :sleep.

    K
     
  3. MooCriket

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    I hope they will using the extra time to add even more lense flare. Let's face it, there was not enough in the last film, and it ruined the film for me.
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  4. phase pistol

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  5. neosporing

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    QFT:lol
     
  6. darth_myeek

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    More lens flare!:lol

    and definitely more Keenser.
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  7. Dave Porter

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    Nice:thumbsup
     
  8. Solo4114

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    Actually, I heard the film has already been shot, but post-production to remove the previously added lens flare is taking longer than expected. Thus, the delay.
     
  9. CB2001

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    Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why Abrams insists on having so much lens flare? I mean, I haven't found any answer as to why he's so infatuated with it.
     
  10. CessnaDriver

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    I swore I saw STII in 82 though.

    :p
     
  11. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I had read somewhere that Abrams was so taken with the idea that the Enterprise was brand new, and that the Star Trek future was so "bright and hopeful", that he just went nuts with those lens flares (which were for the most part done on-set by shining lights directly into the camera lens from just out of frame - not a an effect added in post).

    Since the release though Abrams has admitted that maybe he went a little overboard on the flares.

    k
     
  12. GeneralFROSTY

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    Im a continuity freak.
    Im really hoping we don't see re-designed uniforms and sets. I rather enjoyed the way everything looked, despite what the haters have to say on the matter.
     
  13. Apollo

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  14. micdavis

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    So you guys will have an extra year to complain and then go see it anyway.

    Congrats.
     
  15. SSgt Burton

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    A better story would be nice too, but I'm saving my money this round.


    Kevin
     
  16. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    No way Jose!

    You know what Scotty once said, "Fool me once...... :lol


     
  17. CB2001

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    But he also said to over-estimate things so that when you pull things off right like you should, you look like a miracle worker.
     
  18. MooCriket

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    I would love to see Bones get more screen time. Urban would have made Kelley proud with how closely he played the role to the original character.
     
  19. thegreatgalling

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    ^ Agreed times ten. If this film doesn't FOCUS on the trilogy that is Spock, Kirk and McCoy, I WILL throw a plush Tribble at the screen.

    Obv. the delay isn't great to hear, unless it translates to quality.
     
  20. Wes R

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    Must be bad if it was pushed back and another steaming pile of crap put in its place lol.
     
  21. JBReplicas

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    I seriously don't see them re-re-designing the enterprise, I think we have to live with the one they have given us, although if it gets blown to bits then we can all start hoping they'll dust off the TMP refit again
     
  22. Nwerke

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    Yes please. Story-wise, just blow the engines off in a fight. Put 'new improved' ones on it, ones that look less like a kitsch sex toy. Reduce the pylon angle at the same time; don't even bother with an explanation, nobody will care and anyone with an ounce of taste will be grateful.

    Also, build an engine room set, FFS.

    I'll have an extra year to look forward to it and will go and see it two or three times. The first Abrams movie saved Star Trek, let's face it. :p

    No, really. It did.
     
  23. Mole

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    LOL! I didn't even notice the flares in Kirk's eyes! :thumbsup

    Needs more Bones! Urban was without a doubt the best thing in the last Trek film.

    And I wouldn't be against them recasting Scotty. I think Pegg is brilliant but he was totally miscast in this.
     
  24. CB2001

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    I agree with everyone that they got Bones right. I thought Pegg was okay, considering that there's not many other actors these days that I think could even remotely capture Scotty very well (seriously I can't think of one). Spock, I'm still a little iffy on. Sulu, I'm also iffy on. I say they need to recast Uhura (seriously, Uhura had way too much attitude in comparison to the original Uhura that she doesn't remotely invoke any similarity in appearance or attitude) and Kirk (no offense to Chris Pine. I thought he did a great job in Bottle Shock and in Unstoppable, but he just doesn't scream Kirk to me).
     
  25. terryr

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    When they push a movie back it's because they know it sucks.

    And it takes a lot for them to notice.
     
  26. Harada357

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    It is tough for a director to break the framework of a franchise as set in its ways as Star Trek. Abrams Did it !! :eek In a cool way !! :cool

    This gives the franchise a rebirth - endless possibilities for a future.







    Several of the movies almost killed it - Most notably STAR TREK V - one of the worst films ever made -

    Next to Star Trek V - ( even the following horrible films looked GOOD )

    Robot Monster - had plot and interesting characters in comparison :eek

    ... or Leonard Part 6 - :sick

    .. or Eddie Murohy in Pluto Nash ..... :confused :thumbsdown Pluto Nash was a masterpeice next to Star Trek V - :cry OMG I can't believe I even said that ....

    Maybe Star Trek five needed some lens flare ... and plot ... and good lines ... and well ... it needed just about eveything .... It did produce my favorite Star Trek prop - the assault phaser. And Lt Uhuras Fan Dance ... :$

    Gordon

     
  27. CessnaDriver

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    The other films don't get JJ out of jail for me. He attempted TOS remake and that means certain things needed to be there.

    JJ pretty much changed so much it's not Star Trek to me in any important way. So maybe he made it cool, but I don't recognize it as Star Trek.
    Some character impersonations, a cameo, and a ship with nacelles and saucer doesn't for Star Trek make for me.
    It's JJ Trek and it's a different animal, I will always look at it non-canon and a sad departure from what could have been.
     
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  28. CB2001

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    Amen to that. How anyone thinks that Abrams is a good storyteller, let alone how he continues to get work, is beyond me. The fact that he rode the fence is the thing that ticked me off. If you're going to be true to the canon of the show, then do it. If you're going to do a re-imagining and go in a different direction, then do that. Riding the fence and remaking Star Wars as a Star Trek film is insulting.
     
  29. Ozymandius

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    You can add a big Harumph from me when it comes to Abrams. Just saw 'Super 8' last night and wanted to gag. And I realy wanted to like that movie.

    I think what's really sad about Abrams is how close he gets to being a very good director, and it's always by the same amount. You get about 70% of a really great movie and then 30% that's pure face-palm drivel that drags all the rest down with it.

    I could live with that ratio if there were any chance that Hollywood would learn from its mistakes and we had any hope of seeing better work in the future. But we all know from sad experience that once a director gets a hit, they get locked in that Hollywood bubble and never change after that. They all just turn into mini Lucas's and starting spouting the mantra that the complainers just had unrealistic expectations.
     
  30. Maelstrom

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    Is this the new Star Trek/Twilight crossover I've been hearing about?
     
  31. JMChladek

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    Well, who would you rather get to direct Trek? Michael Bay? Ewwww, now that is an EVIL thought.

    Personally, I thought the reboot was not bad and all the cast did a good job with their roles (Urban was indeed the best though). The story had one big check brain at door bit (Kirk, out of the academy getting command of the Enterprise), but I didn't see it as any worse as what else has come before. You watch it, it is still Star Trek with its moral challenges and pretty good character development (even if Uhura and Spock as a couple did seem a wee bit forced).

    About the only thing I could see to improve the sets is a new engineering deck as the brewery location needs to go. They need to come up with something for engineering that matches the set design for the bridge and the cooridors as the brewery seemed just a bit too cheap to me (it looked more like the engine room of the Titanic than a staship with exotic power). Externally, I think the ship is just fine.
     
  32. CB2001

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    Honestly, I would have preferred Michael Rymer as the director and Ronald D. Moore as the writer. Now I know you're thinking, "These guys did the Re-imagined Battlestar Galactica! Why them?" First of all, if it hadn't been for Michael Rymer, the show's style wouldn't have existed. And he's proven himself to be a good director with the episodes he directed on the show (including the mini-series). And, he would have actually treated the characters as realistically as possible.

    And I don't know how many people really know this or even paid attention to this, but Ronald D. Moore is a Star Trek alumni, having to have been a writer on TNG, DS9 and Voyager. In fact, he co-wrote Star Trek: Generations and Star Trek: First Contact films. And get this: the idea of the Galactica being decommissioned and turned into a museum and the crew being transfered to other duty stations was originally what was going to happen to the Enterprise-D for Generations. Moore came up with that idea and pitched it, to which the producers didn't like. And, he also was the one who written the Relics episode for TNG (which brought Scotty into the TNG timeframe) and co-written the final episode of the show. I think that between his writing ST shows and BSG, he pretty much could have come up with a better reboot of the ST franchise.

    Of course, that's just me and my opinion. I could very well be wrong.
     
  33. Angelus Lupus

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    Double ditto.
     
  34. nickytea

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    I don't know about you guys, but I'm just glad you all have another opportunity to show me how clever you are with LENS FLARE JOKES!
     
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  35. CB2001

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    How about this for a lens flare joke: The only reason why he had so many lens flares on the bridge set was to cover the terrible design choice he went with for his Apple Enterprise's iBridge.
     
  36. TeenageVorta

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    BLINDED BY THE LIGHT!~ Err, I mean LENSFLARE!

    I heard a rumor (Don't ask me where, I can't remember) that Abrams was going to make the Klingons a big part of this movie, but I'm more than a little curious as to if he's going to have the Klingons look like they did in TOS, or how they looked in the films and other shows.

    I want to like JJ Abrams, I really do, but after Star Trek XI it's just...ugh. BTW, are they going to call it Star Trek 2 or Star Trek XII? And as if it couldn't be anymore troubling they're going to shoot it in 3D?

    WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO US ABRAMS?!
     
  37. nickytea

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    To try and balance out the wave of negativity, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed ST09. I thought it told a compelling, character-driven story. Spock's journey stands out at the fore, but upon closer inspection, Kirk's subtler parallel arc makes for a nice brother-narrative structure. Good stuff, to my eyes.

    I trust Abrams, and look forward to what he and the boys come up with, especially with Lindleoff on board this time around.
     
  38. Larry Young

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    I loved every single thing about ST09. The only way that movie could have been better was if I was in it.
     
  39. nickytea

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    It's a shame they cut out that scene of you interrogating Nero.
     
  40. micdavis

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    Just yeaterday a group of us who were founding members of a Star Trek club that was formed in 1971, got together for a little mini-reunion.

    All people who KNOW Star Trek.

    Out of about 25 people only one didn't like AbramsTrek.

    You folks, can post your three year old jokes and lenses flares all day, but I think that's a fine endorsement.
     
  41. MooCriket

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    Don't get me wrong, there was much to be happy about in the film. I have often wondered how cool it would have been to see a television series based off of the Kelvin with George Kirk as the second in command. The opening scene was awesome.
     
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  42. Kerr Avon

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    Yay, another year they won't be ruining with a remake the "Wrath of Khan"
     
  43. DARTH SABER

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    I enjoyed Trek 09 very much... Can't wait till 2013.
     
  44. TeenageVorta

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    There were certain aspects of the film I really liked, like the actors, they're potrayls of the characters, the sleeker interior design of the Enterprise (although I agree that the brewery engineering section needs to go), the Starfleet academy uniforms, hell, I didn't even mind the crazy Romulan!

    The one thing that made it difficult for me to enjoy was the whole "red matter" business. I just thought it was....kind of a bad plotpoint. And Super 8 didn't really live up to my expectations either. The 3D filming of ST XII just doesn't seem like that good of an idea to begin with.
    It's a well made film, and I appreciate it, but it's just not my cup of tea.

    The biggest reasons I enjoy the film have nothing really to do with the quality of the film at all. It brought Star Trek back to my generation. I know so many other sci-fi loving teens my age who know so little about it, and the movie got them interested in it. My friends suddenly wanted to watch DS9 and TNG with me. It was actually pretty cool to see them enjoy Star Trek, and who knows? Maybe the new movie will be fantastic, and will put all our worries about this 'new Star Trek' to rest (hopefully).
     
  45. Larry Young

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    Also, I love the Budweiser engineering room. In my world, the Enterprise is fuelled on exclusive beechwood aging.
     
  46. MooCriket

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    Hopefully by the next film Scotty will have switched it to Scotch;)
     
  47. JMChladek

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    I know Ron Moore's history with Trek all too well. He would have indeed been a great choice for a reboot. But, it didn't happen that way. Manny Coto could have come up with some interesting concepts himself if given a chance (but of course that didn't happen either).

    And all things considered, I believe part of the reason why Moore went and did BSG is he probably didn't want to be constrained too much by an established universe. With BSG, he was able to go more free form and reimagine it since it only had one or two years of back story versus the over two decades of established Trek (or a little under one decade if you only go by TOS and Enterprise). I love nu BSG for the most part, although I think the shakey war zone cam perspective on the CGI got to be about as over used on BSG as the lens flare was on the last Trek film.

    As for the Klingons, the extended scenes in the last Trek film (primarily the ones involving Nero and his crew on a Klingon prison planet) addressed the ridge head issue rather well as you had the Klingons all wearing helmets with ridges on them. Under the helmet, you never saw their foreheads, so you don't know if they had the ridges, or the human brows instead.
     
  48. darthgordon

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    I don't see anything particularly wonderful about what Abrams did with Trek. He was given a budget higher than Trek had ever had before. With that kind of money a ton of people could have made a great Trek movie that everyone would want to go see and could still do it with established canon.

    Look at any summer blockbuster from the last 20 years or so. The formula is pretty simple. Big budget, special FX, young/ hot cast, decent pacing and huge advertising campaign. That's all you really need. The plot is inconsequential as to whether or not people will go see it. The last thing that helps is using an already established franchise... whether that be a comic book character, a successful book series, a sequel, a prequel or a remake. The name is already in people's heads from pop culture.
     
  49. Larry Young

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    Yeah, that worked out great for Green Lantern. :lol
     
  50. CessnaDriver

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    Abrams and I are oceans apart on the hows, whys and whos of a TOS era based film.

    I never would have reused the existing characters, and least not the whole crew.

    The film should have been true to the Trek mission statement.
    Exploration of space, serving this greater cause, best of the best on this starship that's mission is more important then self. Risk for great reward, not to save our * because we have to, because we want to. Because we put ourselves out there in harms way because we choose it, not because we are forced to.

    I think Captain Pike with a very retro Enterprise could have been done, recast Spock as that would be necessary but no more.
    We saw what could be done on Enterprise and nobody complained about original looking bridge with some updated displays. Fans loved it.

    And for god sake hire some GOOD science fiction writers! Give them that famous mission statement as core theme and go back to the roots of wagon train to the stars.
    Boldy go again, strange new worlds, seek out NEW life and NEW civilizations.

    Now, perhaps, maybe before I die, I might see something like that again.
     

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