Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)

Caveneau said:
At least the Enterprise won't rust.
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On the other hand, there are so many other components that make up the Enterprise. It's one of the reasons why I don't like the way the shields work. Making the hull stronger is certainly something that has been used in Star Trek (though they never called it shields), but what about the windows, airlocks, the deflector array, the ram scoop, ect.? I am so going to miss the shield bubble. As I said earlier, it would have made for a cool looking shot of a submerged Enterprise
 
I like how in 'ST: Enterprise', they had to 'reinforce the hull plating'.

As much as I may have my own opinions of JJ Trek, I'm sure it'll be a fun ride. I'll be the first person to be cynical and cut things up, but I can't see how it could really be bad. I'm thinking that it will actually be better than the first. At least the villain already seems to be much stronger and more intense with purpose.
 
FYI - the above information as well as watching the footage of NASA training their astronauts underwater in simulacra of their space gear are among the many reasons why I've been looking at the experts decrying the starship underwater as implausible like the bunch of blue footed boobies they are. Oh and then there's the fact that it's futuristic fiction. Two generations back the cell phone was an object of fantasy.
 
It would be cool if, when the Big E goes into the water, they run into SeaQuest and Lucas comes aboard and then he and Scotty.......

Nevermind!
 
Jeyl said:
Yeah, but you're not going to really sell the excitement factor if your fictional technology doesn't have a certain set of rules. It's cool that a ship can do awesome things, but if it can do 'anything' with little to no downside, there's almost no sense of danger. Even classic Trek was pretty iffy on it's own rules, but it didn't outright abolish them in one sitting.
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We're not discussing what the ship "can" or "can't do", we're talking about the design of the ship.
There is no rule that states the main hull must be x amount of feet wide by x Mount if feet tall.
There is no rule that says the nacelles must be a certain width or length, etc. etc...
There is no rule that dictates an inner component of the ship is a certain size, therefor the housing must be that size.
It's all fictional technology.
 
Jeyl said:
Nothing absurd about fans writing their own Star Trek stories and actually getting them purchased and used for actual episodes.
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So you're saying you wrote a Star Trek story as a hobbie at the age of 10 and it was purchased and used in an episode??!!
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DARTH SABER said:
So you're saying you wrote a Star Trek story as a hobbie at the age of 10 and it was purchased and used in an episode??!!
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Bryancd said "But this last bit is simply absurd." and I looked at the last bit I said which was Funny story., a link to an article about actual Star Trek fans who submitted their own stories and got them produced as actual episodes. Nothing absurd about that, because it actually happened. Now since you crossed the line by making a whiny fuss about me, how about you put aside your annoyances and stick to the actual topic?

DARTH SABER said:
We're not discussing what the ship "can" or "can't do", we're talking about the design of the ship.
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Yeah, and if you read the interviews of the people who designed the original Enterprise, you will find that they tried to give the design some semblance of rules. No reliance of moving parts and no external components that cannot be accessed from the inside.
 
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I've been thinking. Anyone remember the bridge toy set for made by Playmates for Trek09? It had this really weak plastic sheet that you would put the consoles over, and zero interactive/electronic components. And to add even more ridiculousness to it, it wasn't even complete. You actually had to buy more toys in order to get the rest of the components that make up the bridge. Funny story, the toy line was a failure and the bridge set was never completed.

Well, with the integration of cell phone devices like the iPhone into actual toys like Nerf, it got me thinking. Why not have the main viewer (or .....window) be a slot that you could fit your small device into and have that act as the main viewer? They could create an app so that you can program what events you want and when you would like them to happen, or you can just set it on random cycle. You can watch the Enterprise go to warp, come out of warp, orbit a planet, be attacked by an enemy ship, fire it's weapons, go through an asteroid field, or just cruise through the stars.

And better yet, how about creating your own hails? You can record yourself mocking the Enterprise crew and the application would add in the main viewer interface.
 
Caveneau said:
I like how in 'ST: Enterprise', they had to 'reinforce the hull plating'.
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A sad reminder of Enterprise almost doing something clever, and completely failing at it in the most ridiculous way. I was honestly going to give Enterprise bonus points for not introducing shield technology that early on in Starfleet's existence, until we get this line in the very first episode.

"Hull plating is offline!"

How does hull plating go offline? It's armor. A physical piece of metal. Do police officers who wear armor have to worry about it going offline? It would be pretty hilarious if real body armor actually turned into dust right in the middle of a firefight just because someone didn't bring an extra pair of AA batteries. Or is it that some electrodes enhance the hull plating to make it harder? Well, if that's the case, if the hull plating goes offline due to the amount of damage it's received, it's not offline, it's punctured! It's compromised! We've got to get a new one! But no, Archer keeps saying "reroute power from blah blah" in order to keep it working. This is like dropping your coffee mug, shattering it, and plugging a USB cord into it and somehow magically getting to be whole again. As SFDebris said,

"This isn't a new series. It's the old series with new words added in that don't make any sense and sound moronic when you say them out loud. Wall is offline, AHHHH!"

And this is what they're doing in JJ's new trek, and they don't even call it hull plating.
 
How about a Siri mode where if you talk to the main viewer, it will do what you tell it to do? On-screen,, fire phasers, warp one engage!
 
But, as big as they are now sying the Enterprise is, if it DID go into a body of water, 1. It would have to be a BIG body of water, wide and deep to accomodate the size of the ship. 2. The displaced water would likely spill over and flood out the surrounding ground mass.
 
I actually tried testing our a variety of items to see how much energy it took to bring them out of the water. I dip a large spoon into the sink and lifted it out. Simple. I put in a big steak knife with the blade facing sideways and it was a little tougher. I than put a big pan cover in the sink and lifted, and holy heck was it pushing against a lot of water. Given that the Enterprise is in a gravity environment, the amount of energy that it would need to expel in order to rise out of the water leveled would be enormous. You have the entire saucer section pushing up against the water. Since the darn ship makes noise even in space, don't you think that it's close proximity to the natives would be enough to attract attention during the day and night?
 
It's designed to handle all the hard core stresses of warp speed maneuvers, one would think that shoving itself through water would be a no brainer. That and there is no sound carried in space because of the vacuum.
 
greatwazoo42 said:
It's designed to handle all the hard core stresses of warp speed maneuvers, one would think that shoving itself through water would be a no brainer. That and there is no sound carried in space because of the vacuum.
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I definitely hear pew pew noises when the phasers fire!
 
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