Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)
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Robert and Alex vowed never to resort to slingshotting around the sun as a means of time travel. They never said anything about including their own ridiculous methods in the world of science magic.
That's so freaking disappointing and infuriating to read, especially how his quote ends. Obviously Hollywood is a business first, but choosing to ditch one of the core elements of a franchise for a wider audience in Asia and Europe is dumb. People who are not into space fiction are going to skip the movie anyways, yet the producers and marketing people are trying to reach out to them while ditching its core fanbase who have supported it for decades.
Maybe Paramount should make one Transformers movie every single year and get most of their money that way. Thus keeping the audience happy who are supposedly (according to the studios) not into space fiction get their jollies with destruction on Earth. And let the Trek be back in Star Trek movies.
Jack T Chance
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Check it out...
...is that a new-school Klingon Disruptor?!?
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It appears to have close combat blades on the business end, reminiscent of some of the guns in Borderlands 2! :love
...is that a new-school Klingon Disruptor?!?
DIt appears to have close combat blades on the business end, reminiscent of some of the guns in Borderlands 2! :love
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Does that mean the Klingons practice gun kata now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02E2sjwlLM
I don't have an issue with what they are doing. At the end of the day STAR TREK is an industry onto itself and should be managed like a business in terms of marketing. As long as the actual content and artistic vision of the creators is not altered or infringed on, how they get butt's in seats is fair game, IMO. If people feel they were mislead they can express their displeasure through their wallets.
Jack T Chance
Sr Member
Nah, it just means they REALLY like being able to stab and slash whenever possible! Having close combat blades on your gun is a real time saver in a pitched battle, because you don't have to draw a knife before you cut someone! :devil
That's exactly what all this is leading towards and is already happening with some movies; they making changes to the final content beyond just promotions in order to cater to a wider audience and demographic. Hopefully in the case of Star Trek those suggested changes are limited to marketing alone.
Yeah, but at least some film makers are more open about the 'creative vision' aspect of film making rather than falling strictly on the 'business model' end of things in order to sell a film. Why make Star Trek if you don't want to make Star Trek? How hard is it to come up with your own intellectual property that fits with what you enjoy doing in Star Trek so you won't be burdened by having it be Star Trek? It's not like the studios wouldn't have your name to bank on like they've been doing all along in promoting Star Trek.
As Bruce Campbell said in regards to remaking Evil Dead, "You have to give a sh**."
Because, as I said, Star Trek is an industry and the current content creators, JJ's crew, are the current stewards/CEO of that business. As such they do have a responsibility to the investors to create return. That doesn't preclude them from giving a **** or providing their own unique artistic vision and interpretation, but there is a practical consideration as well.
I don't mind this being a business, just as long as what they do doesn't interfere with the quality of the work or what gives this franchise it's unique identity. Being aware of 'practical considerations' is one thing since nobody sets out to make a movie to fail, but using that as a means of dictating how a movie should be made is another. Star Trek Nemesis thought it could bank on the simple, action oriented premise by having Patrick Stewart get all the attention and hiring a director who didn't care about the source material. Everyone, including Rick Berman thought they actually had a sure hit on their hands with Nemesis even though it ended up killing the original franchise.
Riceball
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It all comes down to name recognition, the producers and (esp.) the suits at the studio are banking on name recognition to bring butts into theater seats. Fans of the given IP/franchise will go to see what they've with their favorite franchise and characters while non-fans will, theoretically, be curious because they've heard the name before and go to see it in order to see what it's all about.
Star Trek is entertainment, and the final arbiter of that success is if that entertainment is box office is strong and popular response pisitive, all of which are quantified by the dollar return as opposed to artistic intellectual douchebaggery. It's a pretty simple business model. Now a quality product will more often then not result in that outcome is the two concepts, Star Trek as an artistic vision and Star Trek as a revenue generator, are not mutually exclusive.
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First, that statement needs work. I can barely understand what you're trying to say.
Second, Star Trek is more than just entertainment to some people. It's a passion. There are fans who've started fan clubs, fans who've started conventions, fans who've written their own stories that were adapted into real episodes, fans who fork up their own money to make their own fan films which they give away for free. Some of these fan episodes are so good they've managed to bring in key figures from Star Trek spanning the original actors and writers. All working to create an entertaining story that doesn't measure it's success by the $. And unlike you, I don't call them douchebags.
Riceball
Master Member
The thing is that movie studios aren't in it for making art, the execs with the suits, reserved parking and the nice corner officers aren't artists, they're businessmen and in the end all they really care about is the bottom line. As much as it sucks it's, unfortunately, a fact of life and the studios could care less about the passion of the fans or artistic vision so long as it makes them money. If a movie can please the fans, remain true to an artistic vision and still make them bag loads of money they'll green light that movie; if, on the other hand a movie based on an existing IP will **** off the die hard fans, and totally rape the original artistic vision but still make them boat loads of money they'll be just as happy to green light that movie as well. Like I said, it's all about the money and little else matters to them.
rodneyfaile
Sr Member
They are going... into darkness.
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