Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)

Jeyl said:
Saber, I acknowledged that calling The Voyage Home as a "one shot deal" was a mistake since I know darn well that the Earth was in danger by another probe entity in TMP.
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Yes, thats the part I was talking about when I said "back peddling".


If you don't like my arguments, why not actually come up with a counter argument discussing why you would like to have Earth play a more important role in Star Trek,
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Fine, how about - Some of the best Star Trek episodes and films involved earth playing an important role.


or something that doesn't sound like you're just trying to be a jerk for the sake of it.
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If I were trying to be a jerk for the sake of being a jerk then how come Ive easily pointed out the instances where you change your argument to suit your opinion whenever someone shoots it down?

I'm not here for the LOLs or to bash anyone here just for having an opinion.
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Theres nothing wrong with having an opinion...The problem is that anytime the reasoning for your opinion gets shot down you quickly scramble to replace it with another excuse.


EDIT: Oh, one other thing. When I said "Star Trek grew out of over the years", I wasn't talking about TOS or it's movies. I was talking about the entire franchise.
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I just find it odd that the cut off point for 'growing" just happened to be as soon as Abrams took the reigns of the franchise.
 
Replace Cumberbatch with Bane and you'll get "Gotham Will Fall" instead. A very generic poster serving many purposes.
 
kalkamel said:
Replace Cumberbatch with Bane and you'll get "Gotham Will Fall" instead. A very generic poster serving many purposes.
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I agree; am terribly dissappointed in this poster! It is so cliche and trite that it makes me sad to look at it. I mean honestly...a long leather coat from the 1990's ..... good grief, this is an old and grossly overused look!

There isn't one thing in this poster that says Trek to me.

:thumbsdown
 
Like the first JJ Trek, I'll watch this new one too, and then when I get home from the theater, I'll put The Wrath of Khan on to remind myself what a REAL Star Trek movie should be. :lol
 
DARTH SABER said:
I just find it odd that the cut off point for 'growing" just happened to be as soon as Abrams took the reigns of the franchise.
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Have you seen what I've had to say about Enterprise? I think that series happened before JJ took the reigns of Star Trek.

DARTH SABER said:
Theres nothing wrong with having an opinion...The problem is that anytime the reasoning for your opinion gets shot down you quickly scramble to replace it with another excuse.
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Are you still clinging on to that stupid "one shot" deal? Think about it from a different perspective. If you were to take the films that were relevant to the much larger and important story that makes up four of the six movies in Star Trek, do you really think TMP is that crucial? The only thing that even matters in that film that carries over into the next movies is that the Enterprise looks different. Now Some would say that Kirk being an Admiral is a big deal, but the Wrath of Khan establishes that in it's own way. So despite my love of TMP, I don't find it unreasonable at all to outright skip it if you wanted the movies to continue the themes that have come before it. And in that regard, saving the Earth from an alien probe does feel like a one shot deal as far as the big picture is concerned.

And yes, I'm on the "Skip Star Trek V" boat too. Not only does that film ignore a lot of elements that were important in the previous movies, it introduces it's own problems that make it incompatible even with Star Trek VI.

DARTH SABER said:
Fine, how about - Some of the best Star Trek episodes and films involved earth playing an important role.
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"City on the Edge of Forever"? I agree. It is one of the best Star Trek episodes. But that's just one episode. "Tomorrow is Yesterday"? Good, if a bit boring. No where near anyone's list of best Star Trek episodes. "Assignment: Earth"? First you have to convince me that that's even a Star Trek story at all. Even if you think it is, it wasn't meant to be.

Now, how about these episodes?

Balance of Terror, The Conscience of the King, The Menagerie Parts I & 2, Space Seed, Arena, Devil in the Dark, Amok Time, The Doomsday Machine, The Trouble with Tribbles, A Piece of the Action, The Empath, The Tholian Web, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield. All classic and iconic episodes that many future Star Trek series have referenced and many other forms of entertainment have spoofed and/or parodied over the past five decades. None of which have Earth play an important role.

But as I've said. I'm not against Earth playing an important role in a Star Trek movie or TV episode. I'm just not happy about the fact that the people who are making these new movies believe that Earth should ALWAYS play an important role in Star Trek.

Jet Beetle said:
Wouldn't that be called Battlestar Galactica?
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No, because even if Earth was destroyed in Star Trek, the other members of the Federation would still be around. It would be less Battlestar Galactica and more like post 9/11 since humanity is a part of the Federation. We would have allies from other worlds to help us out.
 
Michael Bergeron said:
The poster for TWOK was terrible.
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I know eh?...



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Like when the heck did THIS happen? :lol ;) ;)



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Mola Rob said:
I know it's cheesy but I love the WOK poster. I have had a framed copy since 1982.
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I just like how it doesn't feature any of the main characters. :lol

Look at the poster and think "Wow! Who's that guy in engineering! I want to hear his story! What? He's only in a 10 second shot?"

:D

It would have been much better if they just used the middle portion.
 
Michael Bergeron said:
I just like how it doesn't feature any of the main characters. :lol

Look at the poster and think "Wow! Who's that guy in engineering! I want to hear his story! What? He's only in a 10 second shot?"

:D

It would have been much better if they just used the middle portion.
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Well Kirk is on the poster just not in a scene that's actually in the movie.

Looking at the poster you would think David actually had a pair. :lol
 
*Finishes the "Countdown to Darkness" prequel comic*

Uh, question. What was the point of this prequel comic? We have Kirk and crew getting involved in something that could be very important, but it ends with a reset switch by having Pike making the event classified and telling Kirk to forget about the whole thing. I know Robert Orci says that his own work in the comics is pointless, but did he really have to make that point so obvious in comic itself? It couldn't have been more obvious if Pike said "Kirk, we're in a Star Trek comic book. It's not supposed to have any meaning."

And you've to love how Kirk thinks that the reason April went crazy is because he's been away from Earth for far too long. What is that supposed to mean? Does Kirk actually believe that outer space in general is dangerous to your sanity and the only way to fix it is by visiting Earth? I know that the High Court wants to make Earth the center of the universe where everything happens, but I had no idea that they were going to do it to the point where the characters actually believe that Earth is the only place in the entire universe where you can maintain your sanity.
 
Jeyl said:
Uh, question. What was the point of this prequel comic?
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Dramatically? It makes specific Kirk's objection to the Prime Directive. From the Into Darkness prologue, we know this is ties directly into the opening of the movie; the effect of which -- along with the first film's setup -- shape the film thematically. (I beginning to believe. I'll let you know once I actually see it.)

I honestly think we're seeing the seeds of the new film's theme. Kirk got the ship in the first flick -- much to the chagrin of many -- and now he's going to face the repercussions of that. Unsurprisingly, this answer to objections of the first film grounds portions of the new film on earth, to which there is more objection. They can't win with you, Jeyl.

As for what that theme is specifically? If I was a betting man I'd say its rooted in the age differential of Kirk's privileged position and, potentially, other commanders displaced authority in old age.


I know Robert Orci says that his own work in the comics is pointless
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Source?
 
Jeyl said:
Comment #120
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His comment directly above that also says, "Didnt say canon was up to Paramount, said it was up to the fans which, it seems to me, had determined that only filmed Trek was Canon"


"Star Trek" will be offered up in various forms, some produced by studios, some by fans, some with large budgets, some with none.

It's up to the individual fan -- and their relationship with Trek -- to decide what constitutes Canon.

For me, if you've got a singular group of people collaborating on multiple arms of a project -- the transmedia experience is an effective one.
 
nickytea said:
His comment directly above that also says, "Didnt say canon was up to Paramount, said it was up to the fans which, it seems to me, had determined that only filmed Trek was Canon"


"Star Trek" will be offered up in various forms, some produced by studios, some by fans, some with large budgets, some with none.

It's up to the individual fan -- and their relationship with Trek -- to decide what constitutes Canon.

For me, if you've got a singular group of people collaborating on multiple arms of a project -- the transmedia experience is an effective one.
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Again, why should I care about a writer's work if he himself says he doesn't give a crap?
 
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