MooMooEgg
Sr Member
Maybe they just wanted to get those Klingon helmets that were shown in the deleted scenes in the first film proper screen time. :lol
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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Maybe they just wanted to get those Klingon helmets that were shown in the deleted scenes in the first film proper screen time. :lol
Klingons are a well known and recognized part of not only Star Trek but pop culture. Much more accessible for the more casual fan and they had gone to great efforts to create new Klingons back in '09 only to have them edited out. There were even initial talks to make this film center more on a Klingon/Federation conflict. They were the correct choice for this film.
Zuiun
Sr Member
My take away from this article is that I hope to god that the villains in the next film are highly militant and aggressive Tribble offspring of the Tribble-Khan.
Zuiun
Sr Member
Ok, so I did enjoy the film, despite a lot of quibbles with the logic. (Enterprise underwater made no storytelling sense. How does Earth's gravity pull the Enterprise out of orbit from the distance of the moon? Et cetera.) But these are all quibbles. Sure, more intelligent (or at least mindful) writing could have eliminated many of these issues, but whatever. It was a fun ride.
However, one thing does stand out as bothersome.
So, Khan's entire motivation is to retrieve his crew. Ok. What purpose does going to the Klingon home world serve to that end? Perhaps he made a deal with Marcus that if he went there and gave an excuse for Marcus to send someone to start a war that he would get his people back. Ok. But Khan is smart enough to not trust Marcus. So much so that he... hides his people in super-torpedoes?
Why did Khan think it was a good idea to hide his people in the torpedoes. Clearly, he expected that they would be loaded onto the Vengeance and his plan ultimately involved him somehow getting aboard to revive them. And yet... he doesn't trust Marcus, but he seems surprised that Marcus instead loaded up these super-torpedoes in the ship sent after him?
So basically, Khan's entire plan for getting his people back hinges on whether or not someone will have the good conscience to actually NOT use the torpedoes.
That's pretty idiotic for a super genius.
However, one thing does stand out as bothersome.
So, Khan's entire motivation is to retrieve his crew. Ok. What purpose does going to the Klingon home world serve to that end? Perhaps he made a deal with Marcus that if he went there and gave an excuse for Marcus to send someone to start a war that he would get his people back. Ok. But Khan is smart enough to not trust Marcus. So much so that he... hides his people in super-torpedoes?
Why did Khan think it was a good idea to hide his people in the torpedoes. Clearly, he expected that they would be loaded onto the Vengeance and his plan ultimately involved him somehow getting aboard to revive them. And yet... he doesn't trust Marcus, but he seems surprised that Marcus instead loaded up these super-torpedoes in the ship sent after him?
So basically, Khan's entire plan for getting his people back hinges on whether or not someone will have the good conscience to actually NOT use the torpedoes.
That's pretty idiotic for a super genius.
Correct choice for popularity, not for a proper story progression. Have we all but forgotten about that super nova that will destroy the whole galaxy in 120+ years? I think that's a bigger deal than throwing in the Klingons simply because they're popular.
That's an opinion, not a statement if fact, and one I don't agree with.
Lost21stJedi
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The supernova is no big deal. They know when and where it will happen and how to stop it so in time, it will be resolved. As for using the Romulans instead of the Klingons, if that happened, there would be endless posts from critics who claim they are messing with the continuity because in TOS, they were at war with the Klingons. So for JJ, consider it was his Kobiyashi Maru experience...it was his no win scenario.
See this is the kind of stuff I just can't get excised about. Who cares? Let's just tell fun stories. Worrying about how other previous stories might fit in this universe seems a little too nerdy for me.
Lost21stJedi
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I agree with you. That's why i said, it was a no win for JJ. He isn't going to please everyone out there so just concentrate on making decent movies. TOS is still available if people want to watch them, I personally am looking forward to seeing how this new storyline develops.
So our enlightened heroes should have the concern factor of Fry from Futurama?
I find it funny how in a show like Futurama does a bit like this to prove a point, but a franchise that's not a comedic satire does it for real because, well, no one cares anymore. I don't recall abandoned plot points being the strength of any series.
I'm nerdy? Guilty as charged. Worrying about something we 'like' should never be looked at as a downside. On the contrary, this is exactly what good film makers strive for when they create a product. They want you to care. If neither of us cared about anything that was going on, there would be no reason to be here to discuss it.
Lost21stJedi
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Your Futurama reference is equally as meaningless to me as I don't watch it. As this film comes to a close, I don't have any preconceived ideas where it is going to take me but I am certain I could care less about the supernova or the Dominion lurking out there, or any other Trek construct and conceit. Makes for a much more pleasurable movie going experience.
LOL! Love Mal.
I'm not talking about waiting around for 100 years till it becomes a problem. I'm talking about dealing with it now before it becomes one. How would our crew destroy an entire sun without red matter on the other side of the Romulan Neutral Zone without being being caught? And if they're caught, how do they justify their mission to destroy a sun to the Romulans when they would like nothing more than a reason to go to war with the Federation? The only proof that Kirk has are the memories of Spock Prime. How does that not make for a potentially interesting story that could take Star Trek in a new direction?
Bryancd said:
And yet you praise them for using Klingons because they're so popular to the general audience and they're what you expect them to use.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
A Close-up Look at the Star Trek Easter Egg You Might Have Missed
http://io9.com/a-close-up-look-at-the-star-trek-easter-egg-you-might-h-509076595
http://io9.com/a-close-up-look-at-the-star-trek-easter-egg-you-might-h-509076595
That's funny. We can actually own a plot hole.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
Nah, I noticed them, and the Vengeance, which I09 failed to mention. Seems odd to have the Vengeance in the first place, and odd that the Enterprise isn't there, since it's the flagship of the fleet.
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