SmilingOtter
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On its own, that makes sense. But in TOS, they were losing a starship about every other episode for one reason or another, and the movie era Starfleet doesn't seem to be that much up-gunned compared to the series.
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On its own, that makes sense. But in TOS, they were losing a starship about every other episode for one reason or another, and the movie era Starfleet doesn't seem to be that much up-gunned compared to the series.
Perhaps they've returned to the old naval tradition of a broadside...
The issue though is that the USS Vengeance was designed for combat. If the Enterprise went through some refit to be more fit for combat (which I don't think it did), what makes that course of action any different than the building of the Vengeance? It's like equipping your car with rocket launchers, flame throwers and all sorts of nasty stuff, but refusing a tank because that's too militaristic.
Doesn't make much sense when torpedoes in Star Trek (especially the ones used in STID) have guidance and tracking. What difference does it make where you shoot your Torpedoes so long as they track down your target? Even Nero's "mining ship" torpedoes had tracking.
A ninjato is actually straight bladed and short. Sulu's sword was noticeably curved like a traditional katana and had the length. As I pointed out on that thread I posted the link to, it was likely chosen because it was the best weapon for the job, as a foil or epee would shatter during the fight.
Astrokid248
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Oh, I didn't notice that thanks to the whole unfolding sequence. Looked up some screenshots, and it's closer to the size of an o-wakizashi but calling that a katana is way more acceptable. But calling that fighting style fencing is pretty ignorant. There's no denying that fact. And a fencer can't just pick up a katana and kick ass with it. I still give JJ's writing crew a pass because the realistic explanation is that Sulu is aware of how weird knowing kendo is and calls it fencing so that people understand he's gonna use a sword. Not that racist.
Not to get political, but isn't that the entire problem people have with AR-15s? No one really realizes that an M-14 is way more dangerous, but because the stock is wood instead of polymerized with Picatinny rails everywhere, people think it's less dangerous. I feel like the same dumb principle is at work here. It's okay if the Enterprise is armed enough to take out half a fleet on its own, as long as it doesn't LOOK like a combat ship.
I'm starting to think the same thing, as I posted before a lot of the young crowd that I know don't really care for it
kialna
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I like how the majority here is negative while on different places on the internet it's mostly positive.
Even some die-hard trekkies like it. I guess it's a matter of perspective and how much you hold on to what you know.
I didn't yell at Harry Potter movies in the theatre because they were inacurrate (which they are) but I enjoyed it. Probably will do the same with Star Trek. I know enough people who did get pissed off at the HP movies because of inaccuracies.
Some people take it to very personal level because certain details they know and love are left behind or not used at all. And it upsets them because they EXPECTED it to be in the film. But for people who do not know the series/books/comics etc, a movie has to tell a story in a few hours. Enough for them to know the general motivation. You can't expect to have a movie of a few hours to have everything from a series in them because you'd need far more than 2 or 3 movies. Even HP with 8 movies was cramped together and missed great details, especially about the marauders.
I just like to watch a film to entertain me, and from what I've heard, it does.
Saw this on Tumblr, I think it's rather true:
Even some die-hard trekkies like it. I guess it's a matter of perspective and how much you hold on to what you know.
I didn't yell at Harry Potter movies in the theatre because they were inacurrate (which they are) but I enjoyed it. Probably will do the same with Star Trek. I know enough people who did get pissed off at the HP movies because of inaccuracies.
Some people take it to very personal level because certain details they know and love are left behind or not used at all. And it upsets them because they EXPECTED it to be in the film. But for people who do not know the series/books/comics etc, a movie has to tell a story in a few hours. Enough for them to know the general motivation. You can't expect to have a movie of a few hours to have everything from a series in them because you'd need far more than 2 or 3 movies. Even HP with 8 movies was cramped together and missed great details, especially about the marauders.
I just like to watch a film to entertain me, and from what I've heard, it does.
Saw this on Tumblr, I think it's rather true:
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JediG60racer
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LOVED it.
Only quibble: There were several opportunities where they could have used at least snippets of the TOS fight scene music, and it would have really completed the homage to the original.
Only quibble: There were several opportunities where they could have used at least snippets of the TOS fight scene music, and it would have really completed the homage to the original.
Yeah, that was funny, thanks for posting that link Bryan
I haven't even seen the movie yet but I don't mind reading spoilers.
mynameschris
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Exactly, which is why Disney owned properties like The Avengers and now Star Wars will now be exactly where Star Trek fans believe their universe belongs, on TV, and we have Paramount & CBS to thank for that... We can argue that Abrams lack of marketing on the run up to this film killed it, but I think its more the overwhelming amount of spoilers studios (especially Paramount) put into their trailers and 'sneak peak' clips and a complete lack of anything to go along and 'cash in' on the film.
Right now the only real Star Trek movie merchandise you can realistically buy is anything which is still in shops (not much) from the last one, the comic series, a game and a novel.
As others have said Star Trek isnt an Iron Man or a Star Wars no matter how much we would like it to be and some think it is, a return to thoughtful conversations with Captain Picard and Co wont save Trek either, its part of what killed it and gave the franchise in the first place. More could have been done with the studio though.
I really wish they would announce that for the UK market, I dont own and dont intend to own a 3D TV but I would buy that for the limited edition Phaser... Shame Paramount while acknowledging the non US markets more still only release something like that on their home turf!jcoffman99;2906493 I just found out that you can preorder the Bluray now from Amazon and it comes with a Qmx phaser. Might get this one. [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00CTT9646/thedigitalbit-20 said:
That was an epic summary about just how daft the story was !!! Although I saw it for the second time and still enjoyed it the “silly side” of things did start to intrude a bit. Given just how few villagers there were wouldn’t it be easier just to have stunned the lot of them when they slept, freeze the volcano THEN let them wake up. And, given that they decided to build their village just under a towering volcano the chances of them ever surviving long enough to even design the wheel, let alone a civilization capable of building a star ship seemed VERY remote to me. Which made the Prime Directive protocol breach seem an even more laughably weak excuse to demote Kirk. One village, oh come on! Every one else of the planet would have pointed at them and laughed, much the same as we do to UFO abductees today! And I still don’t see Earthlings making warp speed into space any day soon either.
I did detect a noticeably larger amount of what seemed to Lindeloffen radiation poisoning the storyline here than in the first one, ie keep things moving along so quickly you don’t give the audience time to think the plot holes and logic until well after the film ends. And then what will you do with what you have done to it ? Trans warp beaming/ medical resurrection from anything but the most extreme forms of disintegration to name but a few, but then we’ve just seen exactly the same thing in Iron Man 3 with the Extremis effect and the remote control suits. Storyline options are being wiped from the future more effectively than a time slipped Romulan with a grudge against Vulcan.
But then lets be honest here. Just how possible is it EVER going to be for them to as produce anything “Original” ,even in an altered timeline, given the sheer amount of Star trek that exists in the universe today.
Remember there have now been a total of twelve movies, six TV series with a staggering 726 episodes between them and god knows how many novels , comic strips ,games etc as well !
So the chances of ANY writers boldly going where no one has been before are remote to say the very least.
I still think this was a highly enjoyable piece of pop corn cinema and one of the best Treks and I’m no trekkie. I’d go First Contact/ Wrath of Khan for first and tie STID and ST2009 in second, I‘m not too fussy .
However, all this moaning about the box office take raises an interesting few points though. It should do much better overseas than US domestic this time and I should think it will do $400 million which is a tidy sum for any film, particularly a Star trek movie.
BUT , this year more than any there are a huge number of pretty high quality blockbusters coming out through the summer, (in June there is one out almost every week) and, given the cost of 3D tickets, I doubt that everyone, particularly those with families are going to fork out a fairly substantial portion of the household entertainment budget to go to the cinema every weekend ( given that they can pick up the same film on DVD in three months time). Which means we will probably have some fairly decent films that will “disappoint” in box office terms simply because there are a lot of them out there at the same time
mynameschris
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You may not be a Trekkie but you hit the nail on the head with 2 of the movies which seem to rank highest for most hard core Trek fans!
Actually, there's another possible explanation as to why nu-Sulu would call it fencing, even though he used a katana. Given the late 20th century obsession with the katana, it's possible that, in the future, it was incorporated into the sport of fencing, using the same scoring standards as a saber. Of course, this further postulates a theory that Sulu's katana was not a true katana, but more of a katana/saber hybrid, but I digress...
Klingons.
The more I think about their role in this movie, the more I actually start to question why the creative team chose to go with Klingons in this movie and not the Romulans. From the new reboot standpoint, having Marcus wanting to wage war on the Klingons doesn't make much sense. We know next to nothing about the Klingon Empire, we don't know why tensions are tight between them and the Federation, and we certainly don't know why the Klingons would want to wage war against us. What we do know in this new universe is the Romulan Star Empire and that tensions are tight. Kirk made that clear in the last movie when he said "Show them compassion may be the only way to make peace with Romulus". Plus the fact that a Romulan Ship destroyed seven Starfleet vessels and destroyed Vulcan would certainly raise a lot of questions, let alone suspicions. Even though Nero said he stood a part from the Empire, would that excuse really work on everyone? What if Marcus had close friends on one of those seven ships that was sent to assist Vulcan? What if he thinks that this whole thing involving time travel was all a ruse and that the Romulan Empire was truly trying to wipe out the Federation? He could bring up how the Romulans waged war against Earth before in the Earth/Romulan war and now they're going to do it again. Even if Marcus believed in the time travel stuff, it would still mean that the Romulans will one day become a real threat and they should take action to remove that potential threat.
This would also be a good opportunity to take small moments from the last movie and really build it up to something big. When Kirk suggested to Spock that sparing Nero could bring peace with the Romulans, Spock had no desire for such a thing. He wanted to kill Nero even if it came at the expense of the Federation earning peace with Romulus. This could have given Kirk a nice counter to Spock's "Even a terrorist must stand trial" argument by saying what he wants to do to Harrison is no different than what Spock wanted to do to Nero. And why wouldn't Kirk think that Spock be on his side on this? At the end of the last movie, destroying the Narada and killing Nero crowned Kirk a hero. But maybe Spock had a change of heart. Was it really right to murder Nero like that? Even if Nero didn't want to be rescued, did he speak for his entire crew? Or maybe, what if the reason for Nero's madness was really the Federation's fault? What if instead of talking to Prime Spock about Khan, he would ask him what the Federation as a whole did to help save Romulus? Spock Prime could say something like "Nothing. Relationships with the Romulans was so fierce that the Federation believed that letting the Super Nova destroy their home world would cripple the Romulan Empire to the point where it would no longer be a threat. When I promised to help the Romulans, only a few of us banded together to try and save their home world." And what better way to convey that harmful attitude towards the Romulans than Admiral Marcus? He wants to wage war for the same reason the Federation allowed their planet die.
But instead, we're now dealing with blood thirsty orcs cosplaying as Klingons.
The more I think about their role in this movie, the more I actually start to question why the creative team chose to go with Klingons in this movie and not the Romulans. From the new reboot standpoint, having Marcus wanting to wage war on the Klingons doesn't make much sense. We know next to nothing about the Klingon Empire, we don't know why tensions are tight between them and the Federation, and we certainly don't know why the Klingons would want to wage war against us. What we do know in this new universe is the Romulan Star Empire and that tensions are tight. Kirk made that clear in the last movie when he said "Show them compassion may be the only way to make peace with Romulus". Plus the fact that a Romulan Ship destroyed seven Starfleet vessels and destroyed Vulcan would certainly raise a lot of questions, let alone suspicions. Even though Nero said he stood a part from the Empire, would that excuse really work on everyone? What if Marcus had close friends on one of those seven ships that was sent to assist Vulcan? What if he thinks that this whole thing involving time travel was all a ruse and that the Romulan Empire was truly trying to wipe out the Federation? He could bring up how the Romulans waged war against Earth before in the Earth/Romulan war and now they're going to do it again. Even if Marcus believed in the time travel stuff, it would still mean that the Romulans will one day become a real threat and they should take action to remove that potential threat.
This would also be a good opportunity to take small moments from the last movie and really build it up to something big. When Kirk suggested to Spock that sparing Nero could bring peace with the Romulans, Spock had no desire for such a thing. He wanted to kill Nero even if it came at the expense of the Federation earning peace with Romulus. This could have given Kirk a nice counter to Spock's "Even a terrorist must stand trial" argument by saying what he wants to do to Harrison is no different than what Spock wanted to do to Nero. And why wouldn't Kirk think that Spock be on his side on this? At the end of the last movie, destroying the Narada and killing Nero crowned Kirk a hero. But maybe Spock had a change of heart. Was it really right to murder Nero like that? Even if Nero didn't want to be rescued, did he speak for his entire crew? Or maybe, what if the reason for Nero's madness was really the Federation's fault? What if instead of talking to Prime Spock about Khan, he would ask him what the Federation as a whole did to help save Romulus? Spock Prime could say something like "Nothing. Relationships with the Romulans was so fierce that the Federation believed that letting the Super Nova destroy their home world would cripple the Romulan Empire to the point where it would no longer be a threat. When I promised to help the Romulans, only a few of us banded together to try and save their home world." And what better way to convey that harmful attitude towards the Romulans than Admiral Marcus? He wants to wage war for the same reason the Federation allowed their planet die.
But instead, we're now dealing with blood thirsty orcs cosplaying as Klingons.
tubachris85x
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I actually loved the slight redesign of the Klingons in this film. Even the costume/uniforms were still loosely reminiscent of their predecessors
Just got back from watching it.
Brilliant ! 10 out of 10. Way better than ST 2009 IMO.
Only one "aaarrrggghhh" - Vulcan is still destroyed / they are still in the alternate time-line ! :darnkids
Brilliant ! 10 out of 10. Way better than ST 2009 IMO.
Only one "aaarrrggghhh" - Vulcan is still destroyed / they are still in the alternate time-line ! :darnkids
And the Romulans were never depicted as an aggressive race? I think their first appearance in Star Trek and from the last movie would dispute that. You could easily substitute Klingon with Romulan and that's it.
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