Star Trek: Discovery (2017)

[zapwizard]

When Discovery started, I thought: Finally, we get to see this epic Klingon/federation war that is talked about so much in all the other series. Except there was no real war. Just a few battles on-screen, and more off-screen. If you look at the show objectively, the Klingons could have been replaced by any other race and they would have served the same purpose in the main story.

 

[The Terminator]

When Discovery started, I thought: Finally, we get to see this epic Klingon/federation war that is talked about so much in all the other series. Except there was no real war. Just a few battles on-screen, and more off-screen. If you look at the show objectively, the Klingons could have been replaced by any other race and they would have served the same purpose in the main story.

They're Klingorcs. They pretty much removed Everything that made them Klingons.

 

[Caveneau]

I just finished watching Discovery. As a long time Trek fan, it's definitely not the Star Trek I grew up with. I got no sense of traditional story structure. The character interactions felt forced with moments of excessive emotions and lots of teary-eyed acting. Friendships seems based on quantity of shared screen time between actors, instead of establishing common interests with each other through reflective dialog. I didn't feel that any of the characters were 'buddies', at least none that I could relate to. It seems that according to these new writers and the 21 producers that the best type of premise (not plot) involves good humans vs. evil humans. I always believed that one of the nice things about the Star Trek universe is that mankind is supposed to have already suffered through it's hardships and unified in pursuit of scientific knowledge and galactic exploration. I was left with absolutely no sense of any of that by the end of this series. Watching Star Trek Discovery has made be realize how and why Star Trek fans flock back to the bedrock of TOS and everything prior to 2009.
CBS has produced a very nice looking science fiction series. Current studio standards of high definition production value clearly takes precedence over structured stories in the traditional sense of story telling.

 

[robn1]

We've all heard the story about the licencing and merch rights being totally screwed up, resulting in the new Trek series and movies needing to be"20% different", otherwise Bad Reboot couldn't make any money from it. This may be the first step in fixing this mess, if it's at all possible.

CBS and Viacom are reuniting with new deal and set to become ViacomCBS Inc. by end of year

CBS and Viacom are bringing their networks back together to form a new company. The combined company will be called ViacomCBS Inc.

news.yahoo.com

 

[The Terminator]

We've all heard the story about the licencing and merch rights being totally screwed up, resulting in the new Trek series and movies needing to be"20% different", otherwise Bad Reboot couldn't make any money from it. This may be the first step in fixing this mess, if it's at all possible.

CBS and Viacom are reuniting with new deal and set to become ViacomCBS Inc. by end of year

CBS and Viacom are bringing their networks back together to form a new company. The combined company will be called ViacomCBS Inc.

news.yahoo.com

Maybe now we can get back to having real Star Trek on tv and the silver screen!

 

[Caveneau]

Don't hold your breath

 

[Joek3rr]

I just finished the first season of Discovery. And well, I didn't hate it. It's okay. It definitely doesn't feel like "Star Trek". But I think that's okay. I don't mind something else. My biggest complaint is still that it's a giant visual reboot. And while designs aren't bad per se (except for those nasty LCARS, those are garbage) it's the fact that they are retconns that really bug me. But if I just teat it like an alternate universe, then it's more enjoyable.

But the second season is so far so much better. I actually think I might like it.

 

[patrickivan]

I just finished the first season of Discovery. And well, I didn't hate it. It's okay. It definitely doesn't feel like "Star Trek". But I think that's okay. I don't mind something else. My biggest complaint is still that it's a giant visual reboot. And while designs aren't bad per se (except for those nasty LCARS, those are garbage) it's the fact that they are retconns that really bug me. But if I just teat it like an alternate universe, then it's more enjoyable.

But the second season is so far so much better. I actually think I might like it.

Just start the 2nd season? It's far more enjoyable than the first. But there are far too many things that bugged me to make me like it. Shame too, because I really wanted to. Yet I'll still watch S3 because I desperately want to see new Star Trek and hope they actually start making some soon.

 

[Jaitea]

We've all heard the story about the licencing and merch rights being totally screwed up, resulting in the new Trek series and movies needing to be"20% different", otherwise Bad Reboot couldn't make any money from it. This may be the first step in fixing this mess, if it's at all possible.

CBS and Viacom are reuniting with new deal and set to become ViacomCBS Inc. by end of year

CBS and Viacom are bringing their networks back together to form a new company. The combined company will be called ViacomCBS Inc.

news.yahoo.com

Good news, hopefully things will run smoother

J

 

[robn1]

Or it could get worse.

 

[Apollo]

As long as bad robot is involved you can forget about it getting better...

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I’ve lost the energy to continue to be critical, or upset, about Discovery and where its show runners are taking the franchise.

I have comfortably entered the realm of peaceful apathy when it comes to this show.

 

[Cephus]

I’ve lost the energy to continue to be critical, or upset, about Discovery and where its show runners are taking the franchise.

I have comfortably entered the realm of peaceful apathy when it comes to this show.

I've generally stopped caring about any franchises these days. Star Trek is screwed up. Star Wars is screwed up. It's hard to find any that haven't been. I just ignore them all.

 

[Cam Mayor]

My wife and I totally enjoyed both seasons of Discovery. We both take them as they are and choose not to compare the format in which they are made. If you look at Trek overall each series took different paths to tell a story.
For example, in TOS each episode was a tory in its own with very little overlap or continuity to other episodes. Voyager and DS1 were definitely serial shows where most episode brought you along into the series.
Discovery is made more like the bingeable series that are popular today where you have to watch for the details and maybe watch each episode twice to make sure you get all the details, miss some and you will lose track in the next episode in a hurry.
I think the production is top quality and the look of the Klingons etc are what the original Desilu producers would have liked to have done if they had the budget or technology to do so.

We did the local comicon dressed in Discovery after only the first three episodes had hit and the response to our costumes was tremendous.

 

[The Terminator]

"It's dead, Jim"

 

[Caveneau]

..I think the look of the Klingons etc are what the original Desilu producers would have liked to have done if they had the budget or technology to do so.

I'm sorry, but saying something like this seems really silly to me.
I'm pretty sure they'd say they did the best they could with the technology of the time.

 

[Richard Baker]

IIRC John Colicos who played the first Klingon on screen helped come up with the idea of the look- he wanted to give the Klingons a modern Mongol Horde kind of Vibe. The Makeup was revised in 'The Motion Picture' to reflect what Roddenberry really wanted to do if he had the budget back in the old days. Personally I like the TMP version best with instead of a bumpy forehead it appears the spine comes up over the skull- far better for a warrior race instead of having the skull sitting on top bobbing around. The design was altered to show spread out cranial ridges with the Klingons appearing in later films and series.
JJ Abrams and ST-D took the established designs in a new direction, making them appear even more alien but the TMP designs are what Gene wanted to have done in the sixties if he could have.

 

[The Terminator]

When the copyright holders don't want to give fans what they want.....

Thankfully there are fans with passion.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Most—I need to stress that I said “MOST”—fan films are something that I really struggle to watch. Most of them have very flat performances (think high school play calibre of acting) with very simplistic writing that is just a notch or two above the adventures my friends and I came up with in our backyards as kids... usually involving a small-scale battle in the backyard, or in the open space just beyond the backyard (I grew up in a very rural area). Having said that, I respect all of them as the passion projects that they are and there are definitely some good ones out there with amazing production quality.

Speaking of backyards...many of these films seem to be filmed near neighborhood open spaces, state / national parks, or KOA campgrounds (all wooded areas in general with no recognizable structures in the frame). One of these days, a Star Trek fan film and a Star Wars fan film are going to inadvertently bump into each other and create the cross-over film that has yet to happen. It will be a glorious spectacle to behold...

 

[AJTaliesen]

Ha...i filmed one once... Woods. For all I know it was the same woods as those.

Would've loved desert, but we were in New Jersey.