Star Trek Beyond

[Brevin Din-Shay]

True

But why are all the Starfleet admirals power hungry morons with no sense of ethics?

Hmm except the late admiral who incidentally was a captain of the Enterprise....

 

[Jeyl]

You never addressed the main point....it's about a group of people so much more than a ship...but...

Perhaps it is because you're not seeing it from the point of view of that group of people who you care so much about. You see it as a thing because hey, it's a fake science fiction show and all you care about are the people. But why assume that just because you feel that way that the people within the show should feel the same when they're the ones serving on it? Some great character moments in Star Trek even come from scenes where the characters talk about the ships they served on.

PICARD: Constitution class.
SCOTT: Aye. You're familiar with them?
PICARD: There's one in the Fleet museum, but then of course, this is your Enterprise.
SCOTT: I actually served on two. This was the first. She was also the first ship I ever served on as Chief Engineer. You know, I served aboard eleven ships. Freighters, cruisers, starships, but this is the only one I think of. The only one I miss.
PICARD: The first ship I ever served aboard as Captain was called the Stargazer. It was an overworked, underpowered vessel, always on the verge of flying apart at the seams. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior. But there are times when I would give almost anything to command the Stargazer again.
SCOTT: It's like the first time you fall in love. You don't ever love a woman quite like that again. Well, to the Enterprise and the Stargazer. Old girlfriends we'll never meet again.​

I don't look at the Enterprise and say that it's important. The characters do. For this Trekkie, the importance of the Enterprise to it's characters are as important to me because I would do almost anything to be able to experience what it's like to serve on a ship like that.

 

[Brevin Din-Shay]

Good points.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

At least they're finally exploring space.


At the very least.........

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Surprising. I figured they'd just use a fancy transwarp beaming device to bounce from planet to planet.

"Nope, don't like this one." Beams out. "Nope....not this one." Beams out.......yet......we can't beam spock out of a volcano without line of sight........weird........

 

[Angelus Lupus]

Surprising. I figured they'd just use a fancy transwarp beaming device to bounce from planet to planet.

"Nope, don't like this one." Beams out. "Nope....not this one." Beams out.......yet......we can't beam spock out of a volcano without line of sight........weird........

And don't forget that if they beam onto a dangerous planet and die, then the Khan super-blood can cure that, no problems :rolleyes

 

[RougeAvenger81]

And we've never seen anyone fall and catch someone while beaming onto the ship before...........Kirk......Sulu.........drilling scene......

 

[RougeAvenger81]

And don't forget that if they beam onto a dangerous planet and die, then the Khan super-blood can cure that, no problems :rolleyes

HAHA. Super blood. Worst plot device if there ever was one. And predictable as well.

"Bones, what are you doing with that tribble?" - Super blood. Kirk dies, tribble moves. "GET ME A CRYO TUBE!" "Please, you were barely dead......it's only the second movie."

 

[Zombie_61]

HAHA. Super blood. Worst plot device if there ever was one. And predictable as well.

"Bones, what are you doing with that tribble?" - Super blood. Kirk dies, tribble moves. "GET ME A CRYO TUBE!" "Please, you were barely dead......it's only the second movie."

They should have just brought in Miracle Max from The Princess Bride. "It just so happens that your friend here is only mostly dead."

 

[Wes R]

Perhaps it is because you're not seeing it from the point of view of that group of people who you care so much about. You see it as a thing because hey, it's a fake science fiction show and all you care about are the people. But why assume that just because you feel that way that the people within the show should feel the same when they're the ones serving on it? Some great character moments in Star Trek even come from scenes where the characters talk about the ships they served on.

PICARD: Constitution class.
SCOTT: Aye. You're familiar with them?
PICARD: There's one in the Fleet museum, but then of course, this is your Enterprise.
SCOTT: I actually served on two. This was the first. She was also the first ship I ever served on as Chief Engineer. You know, I served aboard eleven ships. Freighters, cruisers, starships, but this is the only one I think of. The only one I miss.
PICARD: The first ship I ever served aboard as Captain was called the Stargazer. It was an overworked, underpowered vessel, always on the verge of flying apart at the seams. In every measurable sense, my Enterprise is far superior. But there are times when I would give almost anything to command the Stargazer again.
SCOTT: It's like the first time you fall in love. You don't ever love a woman quite like that again. Well, to the Enterprise and the Stargazer. Old girlfriends we'll never meet again.​

I don't look at the Enterprise and say that it's important. The characters do. For this Trekkie, the importance of the Enterprise to it's characters are as important to me because I would do almost anything to be able to experience what it's like to serve on a ship like that.

And it's realistic, there are a lot of sailors out there who think of the ships they've served on the way it was written in that scene. To them the ship is just as important as the people they served with.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

The best Trek is he stuff that's recognized the Enterprise is a character, too. Kirsch recognized that about the Millennium Falcon in Empire, as well. That kind of empathizing on the part of the production side gets infused into the story. A nice counterpoint were the Next Gen films. The Powers That Be in the executive offices at Paramount wanted the Enterprise-D destroyed because they thought it looked too boring on the big screen. Me, thought she was gorgeous up there, especially the way the re-decoed her for the film. And that same cavalier attitude is there in the last scene, where Picard is not at all broken up about it and tells will "Something tells me this won't be the last ship named Enterprise." No biggie. Then in First Contact, when they set the autodestruct and abandon ship, Riker says we barely got to know her and Picard responds "There are plenty more letters in the alphabet." Daaaaaaamn.

In NuTrek, I have only felt a bit of an attachment to the Vengeance. Not the Enterprise at all, except for the teaser.

--Jonah

 

[Zombie_61]

...The Powers That Be in the executive offices at Paramount wanted the Enterprise-D destroyed because they thought it looked too boring on the big screen. Me, thought she was gorgeous up there, especially the way the re-decoed her for the film. And that same cavalier attitude is there in the last scene, where Picard is not at all broken up about it and tells will "Something tells me this won't be the last ship named Enterprise." No biggie. Then in First Contact, when they set the autodestruct and abandon ship, Riker says we barely got to know her and Picard responds "There are plenty more letters in the alphabet." Daaaaaaamn.

I actually thought Picard's attitude was appropriate. "Powers That Be" aside, Picard's love affair was with his old ship the Stargazer, and he never felt that sort of attachment to either of the Enterprises he commanded.

That said, I never liked the design of the Galaxy-class ships, so I wasn't sorry to see her go in Generations.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

It's more symtomatic of the rest of his demeanor being off. When he and Will were rummaging through his ready room looking for the photoalbum, he found the invaluable, ultra-rare, complete Kurlan naiskos his old mentor Professor Galen gave him, that he was overwhelmed to accept... and casually tossed the millennia-old stoneware aside.

And me, I always loved the design of the Galaxy class. *shrug* I definitely felt it was far better than the one that came after. The Enterprise-E felt like a definite step backward to me.

--Jonah

 

[Zombie_61]

It's more symtomatic of the rest of his demeanor being off. When he and Will were rummaging through his ready room looking for the photoalbum, he found the invaluable, ultra-rare, complete Kurlan naiskos his old mentor Professor Galen gave him, that he was overwhelmed to accept... and casually tossed the millennia-old stoneware aside...

You're probably right. I watched The Next Generation because it was new Star Trek, but can't say I was ever really a fan; certainly not enough of a fan to commit much of the series' canon to memory. I can understand why so many people liked it, but it just didn't work for me.

...And me, I always loved the design of the Galaxy class. *shrug* I definitely felt it was far better than the one that came after. The Enterprise-E felt like a definite step backward to me.

And that's what I liked about the Enterprise-E; it was a return to the more balanced appearance of the previous incarnations of the Enterprise. :lol Ah well, this world would be an awfully boring place if we all liked everything equally.

 

[Riceball]

Both the Enterprise D & E are far better designed, both on the inside and out, than the current Enterprise. The current design is pretty ugly, in my opinion, it's really off balance looking and the interior makes no sense, why would you design a ship with catwalks leading that falling off of results in a multiple deck fall? This is a warship not a cruise liner, you don't need catwalks to see the decks below because it's a pretty design; in the engineering section, sure, you'd need them to access the warp core at various levels but not anywhere else in the ship where they just serve as a fall hazard. Give me the Constituion refit any day, now that's a beautiful ship.

 

[Zombie_61]

Both the Enterprise D & E are far better designed, both on the inside and out, than the current Enterprise. The current design is pretty ugly, in my opinion, it's really off balance looking and the interior makes no sense, why would you design a ship with catwalks leading that falling off of results in a multiple deck fall? This is a warship not a cruise liner, you don't need catwalks to see the decks below because it's a pretty design; in the engineering section, sure, you'd need them to access the warp core at various levels but not anywhere else in the ship where they just serve as a fall hazard. Give me the Constituion refit any day, now that's a beautiful ship.

I agree, and even though I don't care for the Galaxy-class design I do like it more than I like the current Enterprise. There was a great deal of rational thought put into the layouts of the previous incarnations; they were designed as if they were actually going to be built and used, and the various directors and producers weren't afraid to let the audience see that. So with every previous version you got the sense that you'd be able to learn to navigate each ship's multiple corridors and decks fairly quickly. But between the design, the camera work, and the rapid-fire editing, it's like they don't have enough faith in the current Enterprise to allow the audience to become that familiar with it. Then again, with the way they keep destroying the ship, that might be a blessing in disguise.

 

[Wes R]

I agree, it's supposed to evoke the feeling of the original series Enterprise but doesn't even do that well. It's too fancy, the older ships weren't that high tech. It's like the alternate universe is decades ahead of the original universe. I vote they just give Karl Urban his own movie as Bones since he's the closest to the original character as we get and I would watch it for sure.

 

[NormanF]

I still want them to write Kirk as a good commander. In the first two movies he should not be in charge of one of those pod things from The Motion Picture.

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[Zombie_61]

I still want them to write Kirk as a good commander. In the first two movies he should not be in charge of one of those pod things from The Motion Picture.

This is probably the biggest problem I have with nuTrek. I realize they're going back to the beginning and that Kirk is young and inexperienced, but so far he's received what equates to field promotions because of mitigating circumstances rather than because he actually earned them. And yes, Star Trek's Federation is only a quasi-military organization, but this version of Kirk is not someone I'd feel comfortable taking orders from if I were a member of his crew. That being said, I think Chris Pine has done a very good job in the role so far considering what they've given him to work with. I'm just hoping they'll get around to showing some actual leadership qualities in the character sometime soon.

 

[ghostryder]

I look forward to being let down by this:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-set-visit-to-star-trek-beyonds-enterprise-reveals-som-1753351620

 

[Proper]

I look forward to being let down by this:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-set-visit-to-star-trek-beyonds-enterprise-reveals-som-1753351620

I look forward to it. And I like the current Ent far better than the B, C, D or E. Of course no CGI creation beats the original Jefferies design.