Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)

[astroboy]

I believe they just found the drones and stuff on the planet. They just figured out how to use all the stuff over time since nobody was able to rescue them.

But at no place in the movie (I saw it on opening night) did it read that they were drones. We're they like robots? I assumed that every one of those ships had a pilot. Maybe this is a criticism of convoluted action sequences more than anything.

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[Bryancd]

But at no place in the movie (I saw it on opening night) did it read that they were drones. We're they like robots? I assumed that every one of those ships had a pilot. Maybe this is a criticism of convoluted action sequences more than anything.

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Yeah, I assumed they were all small drone ships without pilots and then larger piloted ships used to spear the Enterprise and allow for boarding. They seemed so small as part of the swarm. And yes, as I mentioned, revealing Krall as the ex-Maco/Captain earlier would have been a better choice as it we could have had a better handle on his motivation and would have given Idris more time to really convey his angst against the Federation. As it played out, I wasn't sure what he wanted to accomplish by destroying the Franklin other then loss of life and the "frontier pushing back".

 

[karmajay]

But at no place in the movie (I saw it on opening night) did it read that they were drones. We're they like robots? I assumed that every one of those ships had a pilot. Maybe this is a criticism of convoluted action sequences more than anything.

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I guess we won't be able to check until the dvd is released but toward the end when they are watching Krall's last video log he specifically mentions that the alien race that left the planet had left behind a mining drone force.

 

[Shryyyk]

Soooooo... I actually really liked the Sabotage bit...

I never treated these as Star Trek movies in the same vein as Shatner or Stewart, but more gratuitous-space-craziness with Star Trek fan service thrown in, so the Sabotage scene made me smile a lot. In general I enjoyed the film more than Into Darkness, but given the option i'd still rather watch First Contact or Generations.

Then again, I also like the Fast and Furious films, so my opinion may not be valid in any way!

 

[tessellated]

On my first viewing I thought the soldiers/ship pilots were just generic aliens in armor. But watching it a second time, it's more clear they're all drones. They spark when shot and you never see any with their helmets off. So it would seem that the drone workforce pilot the ships as well. In my head this kind of makes sense to have ships that can pierce hard material and deposit workers since mining seemed to be a central part of that alien race.

 

[glunark]

One little niggle about the end of the movie.

At the start of the film we see these drone ships literally tear though the enterprise, as if its made of tissue paper.

Now at the end Kirk's solution to stopping the last three is to let them smash into his ship?

His ship that had technology 100 years behind the enterprise?

His much smaller ship of only a few decks in the saucer?

Why the three of them didn't just plough through the top of the saucer only slightly inconvenienced I dont know.

 

[karmajay]

To me it seemed they were exploding because they were performing such close and intricate maneuvers and when the Franklin got close their control circuits got jumbled and they crashed into each other, not the ship.

 

[glunark]

Not during sabotage, on yorktown after it jumps out the water

 

[tessellated]

I guess you could argue that since the ships were also seen sticking into the Enterprise in the beginning that they can configure themselves or change their velocity to either go through or stick to the hull. Perhaps they weren't configured/travelling fast enough to blow through the Franklin because they weren't expecting to hit it?

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Having finally seen it (I was in no rush after Trek09 and Into Darkness), I was very pleasantly surprised. Some of the nods to the half-century of Trek lore we have were handled well, some clumsily (I'm looking at you, p/a announcement for the U.S.S. Stargazer, NCC-2893 -- same name is fine, but the same registry as the Prime one...? Between this and the Enterprise, those are parallels that don't make sense in the larger context).

I actually only have a couple quibbles, which is impressive for me, especially regarding Trek. *heh* Although, I admit some things I would otherwise gripe about get a pass because this is the JJ-verse and I don't give enough of a crap, because they don't (or didn't, up until now). Scotty says the Franklin is the first ship fitted with warp-4 engines, despite the NX-01 Enterprise -- pre-Federation -- having warp-5 engines.I can also give my own counter-argument. Watching Enterprise, they had a hard time ever actually even getting close to that, and actually tended to cruise around at warp 3. So if Scotty is talking actual sustainable cruising speed, he might be accurate. The other quibble is why would Starfleet make a MACO a starship captain? That's silly. I rather wish Idris had been the commander of the MACOs aboard the Franklin, instead of its captain.

Apart from that, it felt more Trek. The uniforms were better, the hairstyles were better, the attempts to find peaceful solutions was better, etc.I'm now actually hoping they do another one. I'm hoping that Jaylah is in the next one, maybe in Chekov's old post or as Scotty's second. I'd like them to make a reference to Chekov having been promoted and is now serving as First Officer on another ship, and should have his own command someday, as well as he's doing. I also now find myself wishing the new TV series were spinning off of this, rather than going back to the Prime timeline, which I know they'll screw up even worse...

--Jonah

 

[Riceball]

IN actually only have a couple quibbles, which is impressive for me, especially regarding Trek. *heh* Although, I admit some things I would otherwise gripe about get a pass because this is the JJ-verse and I don't give enough of a crap, because they don't (or didn't, up until now). Scotty says the Franklin is the first ship fitted with warp-4 engines, despite the NX-01 Enterprise -- pre-Federation -- having warp-5 engines.I can also give my own counter-argument. Watching Enterprise, they had a hard time ever actually even getting close to that, and actually tended to cruise around at warp 3. So if Scotty is talking actual sustainable cruising speed, he might be accurate. The other quibble is why would Starfleet make a MACO a starship captain? That's silly. I rather wish Idris had been the commander of the MACOs aboard the Franklin, instead of its captain.

Apart from that, it felt more Trek. The uniforms were better, the hairstyles were better, the attempts to find peaceful solutions was better, etc.I'm now actually hoping they do another one. I'm hoping that Jaylah is in the next one, maybe in Chekov's old post or as Scotty's second. I'd like them to make a reference to Chekov having been promoted and is now serving as First Officer on another ship, and should have his own command someday, as well as he's doing. I also now find myself wishing the new TV series were spinning off of this, rather than going back to the Prime timeline, which I know they'll screw up even worse...

--Jonah

I wouldn't take the MACO shirt(?) to literally, it could just be that he's wearing it because it was given to him by his MACOs or he's wearing it to show his support of them, or both.

As for Chekov, having promoted to another ship would be a good way to explain his absence although it would be better to not only promote and move him to another ship, even though that seems to be a rare occurrence in Starfleet, they should also have his ship destroyed as well, or at least have him killed during an attack or due to an accident of some kind on an away mission.

 

[Bryancd]

I wouldn't take the MACO shirt(?) to literally, it could just be that he's wearing it because it was given to him by his MACOs or he's wearing it to show his support of them, or both.

As for Chekov, having promoted to another ship would be a good way to explain his absence although it would be better to not only promote and move him to another ship, even though that seems to be a rare occurrence in Starfleet, they should also have his ship destroyed as well, or at least have him killed during an attack or due to an accident of some kind on an away mission.

Didnt they say he was a MACO? I thought they did.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I wouldn't take the MACO shirt(?) to literally, it could just be that he's wearing it because it was given to him by his MACOs or he's wearing it to show his support of them, or both.

In the movie, they say he was a MACO before the organization was disbanded with the Founding of the Federation, as after that Starfleet was non-military. Starfleet then made him Captain of the Franklin and sent him out.

As for Chekov, having promoted to another ship would be a good way to explain his absence although it would be better to not only promote and move him to another ship, even though that seems to be a rare occurrence in Starfleet, they should also have his ship destroyed as well, or at least have him killed during an attack or due to an accident of some kind on an away mission.

It would be a nice nod to TWOK, where Chekov was off being XO on the Reliant (so there is precedent for promotion and transfer). And I'd hold off on having that ship destroyed right in the next outing. If there is anything further past nuTrek 4, then maybe. If it'd only be comics or novels, they can do whatever they want with the character because they wouldn't need the actor. Holding off one film gives them that leeway.

--Jonah

 

[karmajay]

It seems they set it up so Jayleh will be in the next but who knows if it will carry through.

 

[jettajeffro]

I may have missed some discussion on this, finally got to see it last night. Have some guilt since I've seen every Trek opening night since Voyage Home.

I have a feeling the reason Krall didn't look human anymore was because he was leeching energy from various alien species. I think because he finally had a fresh supply of humans is why he was starting to become human again.

 

[jettajeffro]

Found this posted on TrekCore today on a concept art feature:

Artist Sean Hargreaves:

"This was the design I gave visual effects, so any changes beyond what you see here were out of my hands, but looking at the film, it’s pretty close. The brief was to beef up the neck and arms, but I took it upon myself to go further. Only one [revision was needed], an adjustment on the engine taper… this was accepted quickly."​

 

[tessellated]

I have a feeling the reason Krall didn't look human anymore was because he was leeching energy from various alien species. I think because he finally had a fresh supply of humans is why he was starting to become human again.

I saw the movie again tonight with a friend and noticed this time around that when Krall is using the device in front of Uhura and Sulu, his appearance rapidly switches between some of the various alien species depicted in the film.

 

[Jeyl]

Found this posted on TrekCore today on a concept art feature:

Artist Sean Hargreaves:

"This was the design I gave visual effects, so any changes beyond what you see here were out of my hands, but looking at the film, it’s pretty close. The brief was to beef up the neck and arms, but I took it upon myself to go further. Only one [revision was needed], an adjustment on the engine taper… this was accepted quickly."​

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She's got one thing over the previous Enterprise. The A was built in space!

 

[Angelus Lupus]

Looks even more unbalanced than the first JJ-prise!

 

[SmilingOtter]

I like the front-on view a lot better than its predecessor.

I'm not sure about the secondary hull tapering to a point, though - is the shuttle bay door that much smaller or did they increase the ship's size AGAIN? (If so, it must be getting to be about as big as a Super Star Destroyer...)

The nacelles seem to be better scaled to the rest of it, so I won't complain about the odd taper.

The only part that really weirds me out for some reason is the saucer connector being completely vertical in front.

Overall, it's an improvement, but I don't love it.