I've been thinking about the film a bit. Red Letter Media make a lot of good points in their review.
https://youtu.be/D_7Pz85XJ7Q
https://youtu.be/D_7Pz85XJ7Q
Star Trek Beyond (Post-release)
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tgreco
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I'm pretty sure this is the nail in the JJverse coffin:
Friday Box Office: 'Star Trek' Plunges 69%
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...es-69-ghostbusters-topping-100m/#523e7f8b6736
the only other film with a bigger drop off was Nemesis... which second week was against LOTR, the Two Towers
Friday Box Office: 'Star Trek' Plunges 69%
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...es-69-ghostbusters-topping-100m/#523e7f8b6736
the only other film with a bigger drop off was Nemesis... which second week was against LOTR, the Two Towers
Still don't get the dislike of Insurrection, and while the film may be bad, the camping scenes in V are great character moments.
Hate to rain on your hate parade, but Pine, Quinto, and Helmsworth are signed for the next film and they are working on the story. There will be one more. And for us that find fun in these films that's good news.
tgreco
Sr Member
Sure... cuz movie studios are always eager to spend $150 million for a sequel for a film that underperformed in every way possible. Their opening weekend was lower than forcasts (which were moved down) and their second week has dropped off substantially... and Suicide Squad is going to be the final nail in the coffin.
The announcement of 4 was part of the hype machine to get numbers up for this one... and it failed. So I expect it to quietly be cancelled, in 6 months or so.
If they do go ahead and make it, I won't bother seeing that one either.
This one needed 500 mill worldwide, it's probably not even going to touch 250, maybe not even 200. I don't foresee a fourth JJverse movie hitting the screen.
This is a specious retort that is sadly common. What we could or couldn't do has absolutely nothing to do with it. Superior skill in any particular area is not required to detect incompetence in that area.
I don't have to be an expert flooring guy to know a cracked and uneven tiling job when I see one.
(And did anyone here claim to be a superior filmmaker? Nope.)
P.S. Captain Pike never said....oh, you're quoting Into Darkness. SMH.
There is no way that the execs in charge of the purse strings can ignore that, and wonder if the next one will be even worse.
That is a clear warning sign of milked dry.
Kt Templar
Well-Known Member
Well I saw it today, enjoyed it a lot. Hated the last one, and loved the 2009 reboot. Hope they get enough returns to warrant the 4th one. I hope they add Jayla to the crew.
Unfortunately this isn't the kind of series known for keeping new characters they introduce in the middle of a run who have the potential of having a larger role. One moment they're there and making a big impression, and the next thing you know they're never brought up again. Sonya Gomez from "Q Who" had a lot of screen time for a guest star but was quickly dropped. Ashley Judd's character had a lot going for her until they made her a love interest for Wesley and she was dropped immediately following (But not Wesley of course. Wesley > Ashley Judd). Sito had all the makings of great character who was on a personal quest for redemption for the mistakes she made in the past (And now free of Wesley), so of course the writers kill her off in her second appearance.
And let's not forget the big one that's unique to this universe, Carol Marcus. If stating that you're a member of the family isn't enough to at least commit her character to future installments, how good do you think Jayla's chances are going to be that she'll come back? And how sad is it that Alice Eve, who I still think can pull off a good performance will no longer have a chance to move beyond that embarrassing underwear scene? Even JJ Abrams regrets how he directed her when his obsession with lens flares when it literally covered her face during her big dramatic moment.
There's nothing in Star Trek Beyond that cements Jayla's character as a member of the crew. They may actually have an easier job at writing her out by stating she's still at the academy. It does take four years after all. All it takes is for a group of writers to look at her character and conclude that she "didn’t quite fit in" with the story they're.
KrangPrime
Master Member
ST 5 and Insurrection has some of the best character building moments in the entire movie series.
I doubt it we can not be THAT lucky.
I have said it before all the young people I know, in their 20s and 30s could care less about Trek, the box office reflects that I think.
The fourth may just be the last
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Insurrrection was the beginning of the dumbing down of Trek for the masses :unsure
I have said it before all the young people I know, in their 20s and 30s could care less about Trek, the box office reflects that I think.
The fourth may just be the last
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Insurrrection was the beginning of the dumbing down of Trek for the masses :unsure
KrangPrime
Master Member
I dunno, I kind of felt it was the last of classic trek.
Nemesis should have first and foremost been a lore movie. and i still don't know why they didn't do it.
imagine lore finally beating data, and experiencing a shut down of regret. could of been good.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I found lots of fun, but not as much Trek as I wanted. These movies have been very human centered, at the expense of the vast Trek universe IMO. It seems like they only want to tell stories that don't hit the unknown very hard. This film was better, certainly, but it just didn't hit me that hard. The character moments are the only thing that really saved it for me.
I believe they do. I remember Sulu saying the shields had no effect in stopping the ships from hitting the Enterprise.
One point to consider is that, adjusted for inflation, Star Trek: The Motion Picture is still the highest grossing Star Trek film so far. A lo of people consider it boring. I never did. Yes, some of the effects shots are overly long, a problem of the visual effects running way behind schedule so Bob Wise had to pretty much drop in whole sequences untrimmed, and ultimately left LA on the last flight out with the only yet existing print of the completed film to make the Washington, DC, premiere the next day. I recommend watching the 20th anniversary Director's Edition, where he got a chance to go back and fix things -- and unlike George with the Star Wars Special Editions, there's only one change I have a problem with.
Here's one of the ongoing problems on the production side of Trek. With the TV serieseseses, you can do longform storytelling*, where the setting and characters are considered a given and you can throw adventures at them. But with a franchise film like that, the makers tend to feel the need to have to reestablish the setting each film to bring casual viewers up to speed on the universe they've just plunked down their money to see. With Trek, while they didn't feel the need to have to introduce Kirk and Spock and all of them in each movie, I want you to notice something significant -- in The Original Series, we never saw Earth (or, at least, not present-day, non-parallel-developed world Earth). But in every single one of the TOS-era films, we spent decent amount of time on or near Earth.
[*Gene came from the era where episodic television needed to maintain the status quo from episode to episode, so they could be syndicated in any order. Breaking that was something Maurice Hurley tried to do on TNG (and I wish he'd succeeded -- his tenure is my favorite out of that show), and that Ira Behr and Ron Moore imparted on DS9. I find it amusing the announcement for Discovery trumpets that this series will do longform storytelling like no show has ever done that before. Even without leaving the franchise, they're wrong.]
That was a problem I had with TNG, too. After "Best of Both Worlds, Part 2", the Enterprise, which was supposed to be out there exploring the deep unknown for fifteen years away from ready support... never really seemed to stray that far from the core Federation worlds. Lots of schizophrenic episodes bouncing between first contact with new planets, then back to Earth or Betazed or Vulcan or whatever.
One thing any new film or series needs to do to feel like proper Trek is to:
- Leave Earth out of it
- Have the heroes come together to solve a crisis -- they don't have to agree about everything, but butting heads for the sake of dramatic tension is lazy writing
- Have some aspect of the crisis or antagonist confront the audience, through the heroes, with some hallmark of the human experience that provokes thought
- Write compelling characters that you actually like/can relate to/not want to punch half the time/care what happens to them
- Please, for the luvva God, no time travel or paradoxes
--Jonah
astroboy
Master Member
That was it? No justification? No interesting conversation about why?
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