Staff of Ra Head Piece

If you weren't sure whether or not it was worth bringing up, why did you bring it up here?

I suspect my reason for bringing it up is exactly the same reason as yours (annoyed) :whistle: and yet also initially wondering if it was worth getting upset over (until I saw the other flake part missing). But there's a difference between being disappointed (at first it seemed to be a tiny thing, but at that price still disappointing) and wanting a 'possible' hassle over a possible return (as I already indicated my recent issues on eBay that make me want to avoid returns if possible above so oddly you have your own answer already and yet chose to reply anyway).

If you have a problem with something you get from somebody, you should address it with them before you address it publicly.

While you may well be correct in terms of proper decorum, your own reply indicates you don't care much for decorum yourself either or you wouldn't resort to a public shaming over it. (y)
 
I'm not shaming you. I'm just saying you should address things with the seller before you bring it up in the public forum because in six months somebody could find this thread when looking for a headpiece to buy, see your post, and think, "oh, maybe I shouldn't buy Relicmaker's because it's expensive and it won't be perfect." It could hurt a reputable seller's business. And your experience on eBay is not the same as a person who is an extremely well respected maker (and in my opinion, one of the best) on here.
 
I'm not shaming you. I'm just saying you should address things with the seller before you bring it up in the public forum because in six months somebody could find this thread when looking for a headpiece to buy, see your post, and think, "oh, maybe I shouldn't buy Relicmaker's because it's expensive and it won't be perfect." It could hurt a reputable seller's business. And your experience on eBay is not the same as a person who is an extremely well respected maker (and in my opinion, one of the best) on here.

You could have fooled me. Are you not still lecturing me publicly??? I get it already. I got it the first time. You don't call that a public shaming, but you're calling me out on it and now you're still doing it, which is why I tried to nicely point out pot calling kettle black, particularly since you didn't send your concerns as a private message and thus in essence you are doing the exact same thing except I was talking about a defective product and you're talking about a person (i.e. me). I never once questioned RM or what kind of person he is, but rather wondered if I was disappointed over nothing (I had intended to post the pictures of the medallion when I got it like the others I posted before when I noticed the edge and I wondered if I was making a big deal out of nothing. I did NOT notice the flake near the tail section until after that point or I would have likely gone straight back to eBay (as that is a bigger deal than a tiny little bend/chip on the braid that could have occurred in shipping). But mea culpa. Clearly, I've sinned and must do penance. :notworthy:

Has it ever occurred to you that someone reading this thread would see my comments that RM handled it about as well as anyone could, took care of the situation and was a great guy to do business with? Why do you assume telling the truth is a bad thing? Frankly, what you suggest is that someone who buys say for example a Dodge Challenger RT should NOT share their experience of having a defective trunk lock and cruise control on a car forum, but should keep quiet so as not to hurt Dodge's reputation for quality merchandise, whereas I'd be far more interested in how the Dodge dealer dealt with the situation. Did they offer to repair it or offer a replacement? Or did they give the person the run-around? Draw what you will, but I believe in honest reporting and if the dealer handles it well, I would report they handled it well so others would know that is a great dealer to do business with because no company makes 100% perfect cars. Now if say three or four in a row are defective, it could be a different kind of concern, but I do not see that as the relevant issue here. I think RM handled it about as well as anyone could have, which as I've said is a welcome relief compared to the last guy I dealt with on eBay. I would do business with RM again because of his response. THAT is what should matter to people reading this thread, not that he might possibly miss a small defect once in a great while and when I get the new medallion, I was going to share that photo as well. I see this as a positive thing for RM, not a negative one. You clearly see what you want to see and I'll leave it at that.
 
The replacement is on its way here. I'll post a photo when I get it. That was a pretty quick turnaround time. :D
 
There was a mold of the headpiece floating around the ILM modelshop in the 90's that had the base area embedded in a hemisphere - obscuring the bottoms of the tail feathers. It's possible that someone took one of those and sanded away the dome and resculpted the feathers.

Sorry for the slight side-track... Was the edge with the chain rather thick (front-to-back thickness, I mean) by comparison to the crew gift recasts that are out there? I believe I have one of these hemisphere base castings, or at least a recast of one. Originally was in a box of rando castings I got on the RPF 5+ years ago but at the time I was confused about why there was a dome on the base - found it while cleaning yesterday and remembered reading your post.
 
Sorry for the slight side-track... Was the edge with the chain rather thick (front-to-back thickness, I mean) by comparison to the crew gift recasts that are out there? I believe I have one of these hemisphere base castings, or at least a recast of one. Originally was in a box of rando castings I got on the RPF 5+ years ago but at the time I was confused about why there was a dome on the base - found it while cleaning yesterday and remembered reading your post.

The braid looks pretty clean to me. This is my casting, which I had vacuum metalized and then weathered. The "crystals" are cheap, art store, mirror backed, plastic ones that I put in.
 

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Strangely, the RPF site was saying my files are too big, so I reduced the size - and now they won't show on this page...
 
Strangely, the RPF site was saying my files are too big, so I reduced the size - and now they won't show on this page.

That's odd, it looks like your images uploaded as PDF files.

Here's my casting... The edge seems rather thick. Is this the ILM shop version you mentioned?

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That's odd, it looks like your images uploaded as PDF files.

Here's my casting... The edge seems rather thick. Is this the ILM shop version you mentioned?

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You're right! That edge is awfully thick.
That looks like a recast of the one I was talking about, but something happened between generations that added a bunch of thickness.
Maybe a mold that wasn't clamped closed all the way?

But the dome under the tail tells me that it is of that lineage - just not sure how many generations down.
 
E Williams - That kind of looks like the braid is part of the casting (from the side, the way the Acme version does it) instead of it expecting a separate braid soldered on afterwards.

Mine (which has the less detailed tail feathers but matches one of the auction pieces in that regard) seems to have the gold plating on the braid a bit thick on one side of it (the other side looks cleaner), but it appears to be attached separately as far as I can see (grey solder at the base where it attaches to the medallion. You can see its relative thickness from the side view (second pic). So if yours is from that ILM mold, I don't know why it has a braid built-in as I thought they made theirs separate and soldered them on. You can even see what looks like solder residue on the menorah (were other details soldered on later as well? I have no idea really unless that's not solder after all. It does seem kind of dull for solder, but then they may have treated it with something afterwards for all I know or needs cleaned up a bit).

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At least to my eyes, the Acme version definitely looks like one piece with "no" actual braid (only appears from front/back as shown in the partial fisrt picture). As you can see from the edge (second pic below), it's pretty much non-existent.

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The Bam Box version is stranger yet. It seems like it has a "braid" to it on the side (unlike the Acme), but it appears to be molded (not soldered) to the main piece as you can see from the front where the gold goes right into the braid itself, giving it slightly odd appearance from the front, IMO. From the side, it looks good (second pic below).
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Even stranger yet, my headpiece made of plastic resin (painted gold) has strange tail feathers too (although they're worse, but that may have been a mold issue with the piece). It also appears to have a separate wire braid attached to it and the "horse shoe wire" that wraps around the entire bird has a tiny bit missing just like my gold one, but on the opposite side! Tres bizarre!

(First two pics are plastic head piece followed by picture of the gold plated "ILM" one showing the same missing bit on the opposite side.

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Pretty sure the one with the tall tail feathers is the one with lineage to the ILM domed headpiece. The tail feathers are like that from resculpting them. At least some of those have some really nice detail in the wing feathers though.
 
Gentleman....wow..just wow. I just read the 4 pages and 8 years on this and am shocked that I still have a question. Bravo to all of you for the institutional knowledge here. But my question is quite simple, in your experience, is this "Raven bar" specimen currently on eBay: Indiana Jones - "RAVEN BAR" Staff of Ra Headpiece w/ Staff Attachments, METAL!!! | eBay reasonably priced, or should I save myself ~$200 and go for the "Imam" from Reel Art on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SQIDW5S/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_4no1CbHHC05P4

Problem with Reel Art is I'm not sure about the jewel...I don't want plastic I want crystal. I welcome thoughts & opinions, especially from the gent who detailed his purchase behaviour of initially buying cheaper, spending a year regretting, and then ultimately going more expensive anyway and having spent way more $$ at the end of the day. Best, --Zach
 
The first one is Relicmaker’s and worth every penny. I can’t recommend anything made by Reelart whatsoever.

Just note the differences in the headpiece styles. Relicmaker also makes a Imam version if that’s what you prefer.
 
Wow...OK; valuable insight. Jeez that's a lot of scratch, but I'd rather buy it once and buy it right. Am I right to jump on this...that is, are these not always available? Thanks so much for the help, Serenity.
 
Wow...OK; valuable insight. Jeez that's a lot of scratch, but I'd rather buy it once and buy it right. Am I right to jump on this...that is, are these not always available? Thanks so much for the help, Serenity.

Relicmaker also offers just the headpieces themselves in the Project Runs forum here, if you want to save some money and not get the attachments. He does small runs of them every few months, so generally he has one available at most times.

That Reelart one is terribly overpriced too, holy crap I just saw their asking price. If you want to spend only $120-ish on a Imam version, look for a ReplicaProps one, an older Magnoli one, or even one of those Bam Box ones for much less. All of them are much better options than Reelart.
 
Wow...OK; valuable insight. Jeez that's a lot of scratch, but I'd rather buy it once and buy it right. Am I right to jump on this...that is, are these not always available? Thanks so much for the help, Serenity.

I've sent you a private message to your inbox. I don't know if you saw it. I have six different medallions now at different price ranges. Only one is not available for sale right now as far as I know. I'd rather not discuss them publicly after the last response.
 
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That Reelart one is terribly overpriced too, holy crap I just saw their asking price. If you want to spend only $120-ish on a Imam version, look for a ReplicaProps one, an older Magnoli one, or even one of those Bam Box ones for much less. All of them are much better options than Reelart.
Plus, Reelart has been identified as a rescaster, and discussed in other threads before.... so it is a good idea to not support them by purchasing from them.
 
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