ST3 Phaser kit build up

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by bcstanding, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. bcstanding

    bcstanding Well-Known Member

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    OK, I just got my first kit - a ST3 phaser. Thanks nickthsaberman.

    First off, does anybody know who might have made this? Just curious...

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    Also, I've read the racprops issue about this phaser's electronics, but I'm still a little confused. I'd like to 'Coyleize' this as much as I can, but I'm not clear on exactly what the LED sequence is in the white area (inside of the blue triangle). I've done some slow mo's in ST3 to try and figure it out, but the P1 isn't shown a whole lot. Can anybody describe the lighting sequence (including timing, etc.)?

    I've already bought the DupliColor 318 paint for the main body. :)
     
  2. jhusel

    jhusel Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Based off of the top P2 body, with the 4 screw holes and rear square hole, I'd say it is cast from a Coyle. The square hold is where he had a plug for the P1 to lock into for the electronics.

    Here is my Coyle Phaser
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    As far as the electronics, they just blink real fast on the P1, the square LED has 4 lights and flash around and the P2 has a super bright light when you fire it.

    Jhusel
     
  3. Kaylee

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    swoopy.

    I wonder.. has anyone ever made the nozzle part in aluminum? I presume the originals didn't have such, but it would make an interesting link to the TOS and STV/VI models.. say still metal, but painted to match the resin?
     
  4. bcstanding

    bcstanding Well-Known Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>(jhusel @ Jun 7 2006, 04:43 PM) [snapback]1258058[/snapback]</div>
    Yeah, I'd looked through that 17 page phaser thread and noticed your pics. I assumed the same thing about this being a Coyle (or recast?), but wasn't sure. The pic I got of it before I bought it didn't show enough detail to be sure, but I decided to get it anyway. Thanks for the info. I don't think I'll put an LED in the tip on mine, since it didn't have that in the filmed prop. I will try to emulate how the racprops article describes the 4 LEDs on the P1 blinking in sequence when the trigger is pressed, though.

    Maybe I'll email Rich and ask him if he thinks this is one of his...

    How do you have yours displayed, jhusel?
     
  5. jhusel

    jhusel Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I have a similar setup with my STIII Phaser/Comm as I do with this TOS one.

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  6. bcstanding

    bcstanding Well-Known Member

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    That's right - now I remember seeing those stands. I had forgotten you were the one that did those. Very nice display.
     
  7. racprops

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    Yes that is a copy made off one of my old models.

    And as I have not been making them for over 10 years I surely can not cry Recaster, it is, by the old rules "Fair Game"

    The model we are talking about and pictures of are of the digital sound model with the removable working Phaser One.

    And yes it is not screen accurate, nor set accurate either.

    And yes the electonics are slightly off as there was no room for the oringinal system AND the sound system in the same body, so I have to use a differnt driver and cheat a little, the real system was a back and forth these had a chase light system.

    With todays elecronics and my good frend who makes my boards for me, this is something I hope to redo and correct someday in the future.

    Screen accurate would suggess the Phaser One would be removable, as this one is. Screen accurate would also have the correct LED driver which mine did not...

    Set accurate would be that in the real world the phaser one was only removable to change the battery, it had a big hole in the bottom for room for the 9 volt battery and the 555/556 drivers, and was held to the pistol body by a screw in the rear...

    And that there was no light of any kind in the tip, so even if the actor ran around firing it all the time.... well there was no give away and no costly special effects need to match it's "On Time".

    Hope that all helps.

    Rich

    Jhuset does it not also make the sound effect??

    If not it needs fixing.

    RIch
     
  8. jhusel

    jhusel Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yes, it does have the sound Rich. Definately one of the best props I think you ever produced. It is a beautiful piece.

    Jhusel
     
  9. racprops

    racprops Sr Member

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    Good: when you did not say I worred..

    Rich
     
  10. Jedi Lawja

    Jedi Lawja Well-Known Member

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    Ha-rumph. Compared to my solid resin ST3 Phaser.. I WANT FLASHY LIGHTS AND ZAPPY SOUNDS. Waaaaah.

    Jay
     
  11. racprops

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    Bcstanding has expressed concern about this being a recasted model.

    By all fair rules it is not.

    Enjoy it, clean it up and paint it and fix it up.

    The old rules (which I sill feel are good) is it is NOT recasting if:

    It is a studio original, a copy made from/by a studio propmaker, you paid for the rights to make copies, and if it is orphan, not being made for a couple of years, and you are sure the maker will not be doing them soon.

    Recasting in my book is making and selling models and taking sales away from the person who made the model, while he/they are still making and selling them.

    For the past ten years I have not been able to make these due to the lawsuit and settlement.

    If you consider it recasting if you make a mold off any model then I too am a major recaster...a lot of my work has come from studio models, it has been a bit of bragging on my part that I have brought to the fans props made off studio props.

    Back then we (the pro prop makers) traded castings and made molds off studio models.

    Back then as long as we made minor changes that we could spot and know the retail models were NOT real original off the set models, it was considered OK.

    All my models had these kind of tells. That way the propmakers and collectors had the real things and the fans very close copies.

    This model was original studio prop, I did make many changes to make the model you have a copy of, the removable top of the Pistol body, the close center in the top, the closed bottom of the Phaser One, and the use of three LEDs in the front edge of the Phaser One.

    And there was a lot of work done inside the Phaser One to house the switches, driver boards and speaker.

    But the main outer body was from a studio recast.

    IF it helps on this one I was asked to repair the burned out copies left over from ST3 when working on ST4, and found that the electronics was “potted” sealed in plastic so to repair them meant making replacement models so took a mold so we could build new ones only to be told forget it….

    But many were done so we (my fellow propmakers) could have copies of other props, many if not all of us were/are big time fans ourselvesÂ…why else put up with these hours and low pay??

    And poor so trading my casting of a ST3 Phaser got a Hidden Gun..etc.

    My 2 cents worth.

    Rich
     
  12. QuasiOdo

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    2 cents?? That's at least a buck ninty-eight worth of enlightenment.
     
  13. bcstanding

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    Thanks for the clarification, Rich. I didn't want to knowingly support a recaster, so I'm glad to know everything is ok with this.
     

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