wayouteast
Sr Member
The powers that be seem to have heard the message!
Sonic the Hedgehog to be redesigned after criticism of film trailer
Sonic the Hedgehog to be redesigned after criticism of film trailer
Sonic the Hedgehog (Post-release)
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DiggsBarklightr
Sr Member
When I first watched it I kept thinking why isn't his mouth moving when he talks, the words weren't matching up to the movements. It was as if it were a lower grade cgi you'd see on a show for kids on PBS.
There's only so much they can polish that turd. Change the design, sure. But the rest of the film still looks crap. Like Super Mario Bros crap.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I’ve been trying to wrap my head around that...unless they’re already super time crunched because they haven’t done much of anything yet, I imagine it’s going to be a bit of a nightmare for them.
I don't think that's why most people are worried... If you approved a design like that, then that is just the most visible of the problems. There is clearly no one there who knows what they are doing... and that seeps into the rest of production.
Especially when there are DECADES of reference to what the character should look like.
They approved that design early in production... there's almost no way that the rest of production made amazing decisions regarding everything else.
ZERO chance that would happen. Not this far in. If they had to run the numbers for what that would cost?
You're paying more hours for people in design, modeling, all FX attached. Re-light... re-rendering....send all new scenes back to compositing.
You'd have to extend contracts. or pay OT. No way they're pushing back the release date.
Once they tally how much, the studio would laugh in their face.
Forget if he has any animation attached to another character...
I would HATE to be in that studio after the trailer dropped. What a downer.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
One of my main problems is the fur in general.
Hedgehogs have spikes on their backs, not fur. I mean, sure it’s TECHNICALLY fur, but they’re quills and not at all like the fur on most mammals, or even remotely close to what the fur in the trailer looked like.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
NeoRutty I was wondering about that...is it still a ton of work to just drop a new 3D model in? I’ve always wondered that about CG. Is it basically like starting from scratch?
Strikerkc
Sr Member
It would likely be a lot of work. Let's assume all they do is fix the eyes and the mouth, and leave the body alone, they'd essentially have to reanimate the entire film for those two items.
One of the hardest parts about it, is going to be that what we see on is screen is not generally just a stock model, fed through a physics engine. It's made up of a TON of different layers of separate animation all working in concert. They eyeballs alone are likely going to be made of at least the following layers: they solid shape of the eyes, the pupil animated separately, further pupil detail, any sheen they want to show they're "wet living eyes", then multiple independent layers of shadows/shading, created based on the real world light sources that would effect the character.
That list doesn't even take into account when he blinks. Now multiply that list to EVERYTHING.
If they reskined the model, used everything but the texture, and just rerendered everything already rendered, it would be a huge amount of work. But if they changed the model as well, it would need new rigs, facial rigs and then reanimated and run through the entire process again.
I work as an editor on flicks like these, so I’m not really the best to ask on all the process - I used to hear a lot of that stuff when I was married to a producer... tiny changes that would cost like 20,000. It’s crazy.
And every department will try to squeeze out the most time and money. It will suuuuck for whoever is paying the bills.
For example, when we were making sausage party, Seth Rogan and James Franco wanted to make a spoof of Kanye West’s “Bound 2” video with Kim K.
They asked our studio if they shot the plates of James and Seth on a motorcycle with green screen, how long it would take and how many people. They called in the lighting and comp supe who told them they’d need 2 weeks and 5 people. Cost was something like $120,000.
So our bosses called me and my friend Kev, who have a side company and showed us the vid, asked us how long it would take.
We said 24 hours, but we want to release it on our personal channel. They agreed.
It was super simple. But only because it wasn’t in the studio system. Once you deal with the Industry’s unions, it’s gonna be a loooooot of time and a looooot of money.
And how much time and money are they going to put in a movie that already has people saying it’s the worst thing ever.
Remember “origins wolverine” and their “we’re not done yet! It will look better when done!”?
Nope
I was thinking the same thing! The fact that they're changing it should prompt those critics to see the movie now
Cephus
Master Member
It's a dumb tactic then because I'm sure this is going to drive a lot of people away from the movie, no matter what they do. It's convinced me that the people who made the movie don't have the basic knowledge to make a good movie out of this property. Anyone who could have made a good movie about Sonic would have known that they should never, ever make Sonic look like that in the first place.
But consider the alternative scenario. Imagine that trailer with the Sonic you expect. There’s nothing in that trailer that’s really that interesting. We already saw an acceptable CG Sonic in Wreck-it-Ralph. And everything else is pretty “meh.”
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