So, what's QMX got up their sleeve?

I was the one who just got the tags from qmx in the mail, there nice peices, and you can definetly tell the difference between MJF tags and qmx's, I personally like marajadesfather's tags better, i've had them for longer so they've grown on me, and they dont have a stupid trademark stamped on the back of em' MJF just does incredible work, esp. since he had only screen caps for references!
 
Almost a year and we finally get the products that were promised, but guess what they are not what we were promised. One is lesser made and the other is more expensive. QMX gave us excuses throughout the year, said we would get our Guns and Tags. But it seems they did not spend the time fixing the problem. Instead they spent the time making one cheaper looking and the other more expensive. Also it is not fun having to call and write every day to get a refund.
 
Well, I hope QMX starts to segue from "little" products and focuse more on the studio scale pieces they promised us like the Martian War Machine and the Space Ark.
 
I agree, I love the pics of the studio scale basestar they have, I just hope they'll actually produce it, not to mention a serenity studio scale
 
QMX first needs to do the products they promised that includes those rings. When they get those issues worked out, than they should do other things. I am sorry but they haven't even gotten to step 1.
 
The Martian War Machine with lights and sound could very well be the thing that makes me buy my first "Studio Scale" type piece.
 
"QMX first needs to do the products they promised that includes those rings. When they get those issues worked out, than they should do other things. I am sorry but they haven't even gotten to step 1."

That assumes they can only do one thing at a a time. Dunno about you, but at my job I've got several projects going at the same time and if something is holding me up on one of them I'd better be working on the others while it resolves if I want to keep my job.

I don't do QMx apologies, although in at least one place I've been characterized as an abused company shill. (Disclaimer: I did help beta some of the Serenity paper products, so take that as you will) I think the posts Steve made here caused the company -- which is made up of more than just one guy, by the way -- PR problems that are apparently never going away, I think they should have made sure of their products before announcing them, and I think their communication in the past needed a lot of work. Personally, I think that once they realized their pistol was not going to ship close to on time they should have offered refunds immediately so people wouldn't have been left hanging (refunds were always available, as far as I know, but they would have been more open with us that way).

But they've improved dramatically, they've changed their policies to avoid similar problems in the future, and they've put out some amazing work with more coming. And I love the fact they're approaching the best fan artists and creators. It shows they have taste :)

As I've said I can't speak for the other lines, I just follow Serenity, but I've seen the passion for accurate props in those products and I believe they are doing everything they can to become a trustworthy company. Granted I may have thought differently had I prepaid, but I think their decision to make two pistols is a good one that both accomodates the manufacturing problems they ran into and meets the needs of more customers, especially those -- such as myself -- who lack the skills to make or even finish their own resin kit but really couldn't justify the $250 one.

I think the company made a conscious effort to reset itself, and I plan to judge it based on what it's doing now.
 
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Nice so to summarize this thread we have the following claims and facts:

Claims:

QMX using heavy persuasion to get a small prop maker to come onboard with them.

Facts:

Original Mal Gun as promised will not be released as promised and the excuses for them not coming out don't seem to hold water anymore.

2 less accurate versions are now coming out and do not have any of the features as promised.

No news on the completion of the Abott and Costello rings leaving some dealers high and dry on deliverables to their customers.

Price increase on the BSG dog tags that is almost double.


Let me know if I missed anything?
 
I think a big problem with the 2 new offerings is that it ignores the people that wanted something better, and more detailed, than the new stunt gun. The people that pre-ordered the $250 one wanted something that was in between this cheaper stunt pistol and the too expensive hero. They won't get what they were promised. Also some probably wanted something that was limited too, so that it would retain some value instead of being worth $50 in 2 years cause QMx pumped out as many as they could. They were promised a absolutely limited number...hell even if QMx decided to limit the number of these stunt pistols they would probably appease more of the people that feel they've been screwed.
 
Um... not meaning to fan the flames here but ya might wanna revise those "facts" a little.

Whether or not QMX's explanations for the pistol delays still hold up is a matter of opinion. (Mine is that they are speaking the truth, but have embellished on it a bit, like just about any company on the fact of the Earth would.)

One of the pistols has less features promised, but one BIG addion: a 40% price cut (AND cheaper shipping if you've kept your pre-order). The second pistol (that many screamed for in the beginning) has been added and will have MORE features that what was originally promised.

As for how "accurate" the new versions will be compared to the first edition planned... that is also very much up in the air and cannot be regarded as fact.


Facts:

... the excuses for them not coming out don't seem to hold water anymore.

2 less accurate versions are now coming out and do not have any of the features as promised.
 
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Also some probably wanted something that was limited too, so that it would retain some value instead of being worth $50 in 2 years cause QMx pumped out as many as they could. They were promised a absolutely limited number...hell even if QMx decided to limit the number of these stunt pistols they would probably appease more of the people that feel they've been screwed.

I would agree with this if we were talking Star Wars.
But look at the sales of the $119 ships papers.
500 have been sold in the initial "rush" but now I see the sales trickling out.
Browncoats are an enthusiastic bunch but it seems like only about 500 to a 1,000 are really prop collectors.
If the value of the $150 Serenity Mal Pistol drops to fifty bucks, it won't be because there are ten thousand of them out there.
It'll be fifty bucks because Joe Prop Collector just HAS-TO-HAVE the latest prop from Transformers IV and he's unloading all the stuff he got tired of dusting and looking at on his wall.

I feel all the Serenity props will continue to sell at conventions and Fantasy/Comic Book stores at a steady pace, sold to casual enthusiasts of the Firefly/Serenity 'verse who are completely unaware of the clawing and scratching and back-biting going on at the prop forum.
They will come and go on eBay, with price more determined by how many people are bidding against one-another than actual value.

Far as the metal Mal?
Priced higher than a working rifle or pistol?
VERY small group of purchasers.
 
a 40% price cut (AND cheaper shipping if you've kept your pre-order).

And to put this comment in check you need to look at the whole picture...

It's a 40% package reduction, not just a pistol reduction... They are giving a $100 price break and you are not only getting a dumbed down resin gun they have taken away the whole package surrounding the piece...

You are no longer getting the display stand
You are no longer getting the velvet lined Serenity packaging
You are no longer getting the metal plaque
You are no longer getting a limited edition item

What are the above items worth to the buyer? The stand has been suggested to be $20, the velvet lining metal plaque and limited edition investment potential have to be worth what another $40 to the average customer? That is hypothetically $60 of the $100 price break...

Now add in the no longer included Walnut grips that can be sourced for $45 dollars after market and all the sudden the $100 price reduction has been used and you are still left with a sub advertised dumbed down resin pistol missing the real metal plating and finish...

The $250 package was a good deal, the new $150 package is what it is, and IMO it's hardly comparative dollar to dollar with what was advertised... You are not really getting a price break on the gun it self, you are just getting a cheaper gun and the whole package surrounding it has be deducted...
 
Not sure if we got off track here but I would like to know if it's a good replica for those of us on a limited budget and poor painting skills? It would be used as a display piece so I wouldn't worry about the resin breaking. I think it looks pretty good, not as good as the $249 plated version I pre-ordered but still good.
 
I'm going to get some more pics of it tomorrow, in sunlight. Are there any particular angles that would help?
 
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That assumes they can only do one thing at a a time. Dunno about you, but at my job I've got several projects going at the same time and if something is holding me up on one of them I'd better be working on the others while it resolves if I want to keep my job.

At this point, I don't think it is an assumption they can only do one thing at a time. They have yet to really demonstrate they can do even one thing, let alone multiple...
 
This applies to me of course but:
Display stand= don't need it unless it's MR-quality. All my Verse stuff is in a Detolf.
Packaging= all my packaging sits in my closet, unless it's a nice wooden display box that looks like it came from the show, I don't need it. (Was this ever actually promised?)
Plaque= All my MR plaques are in the boxes undisplayed.
No limited edition= fine by me... just means people won't have to fret over getting one before they run out or replacing it if it got stolen or broke.

Your points are certainly valid though. But for me personally, the whole picture as it was before means that I was paying for a lot of stuff I didn't need or want. The only thing I really regret losing are the wood grips but if Wakal's contact comes through, that shouldn't be a problem.

As for the plating- maybe it really did look like crap or maybe it was just too expensive to do on a limited run. Who knows but QMX. But I'm guessing that the cold-cast method will still look more natural than paint... and that it'll not be much (if at all) worse than the different ways people have been finishing their Sidkits (plated versions not included of course).

There is one thing I can add to the "excuses" debate. My GF works with supply-chain coordination and has direct experience of having stuff manufactured for a large international corporation. I can tell you that when a manufacturer of an item turns out to be problematic it can very well cause the types of delays and problems QMX have been giving as the reason for the first delay. Their big mistake was, as has been said before, announcing things way too soon. It's something they're gonna have to live with for a while and they do seem to be trying to set things on the right path, even if they'll never be able to please everyone.

If there are other deals out there that give a nice finished gun/weapon 1:1 replica for $150, maybe someone should start a thread, cause I ain't finding them! (Well, aside from a few MR items that seem to be hard to sell...) :lol



And to put this comment in check you need to look at the whole picture...

It's a 40% package reduction, not just a pistol reduction... They are giving a $100 price break and you are not only getting a dumbed down resin gun they have taken away the whole package surrounding the piece...

You are no longer getting the display stand
You are no longer getting the velvet lined Serenity packaging
You are no longer getting the metal plaque
You are no longer getting a limited edition item

What are the above items worth to the buyer? The stand has been suggested to be $20, the velvet lining metal plaque and limited edition investment potential have to be worth what another $40 to the average customer? That is hypothetically $60 of the $100 price break...

Now add in the no longer included Walnut grips that can be sourced for $45 dollars after market and all the sudden the $100 price reduction has been used and you are still left with a sub advertised dumbed down resin pistol missing the real metal plating and finish...

The $250 package was a good deal, the new $150 package is what it is, and IMO it's hardly comparative dollar to dollar with what was advertised... You are not really getting a price break on the gun it self, you are just getting a cheaper gun and the whole package surrounding it has be deducted...
 
At this point, I don't think it is an assumption they can only do one thing at a time. They have yet to really demonstrate they can do even one thing, let alone multiple...

They have shown the only thing they can do is paper. The only props that are not paper they have done are a few Dracula Rings, which they have not delivered the rest and maybe one or two custom BSG Tags. Yes they have made a turn around, but it is a little too late. Plus they have still not given any updates on the Rings, Tags or Guns that were announced last year. From a business stand point, QMX went about this the wrong way, they announced the big stuff first and take money for it. They should have done the paper first and build up enough cash and than do they big stuff. On another issue, other forums say that sidkit was encouraged to help with the Gun. QMX getting people from the community is a good thing. I am still thinking about buying a set of tags, which I guess I will do.
 
From a personal view i'm cool with companies announcing stuff(as in this is what we have planned) It's all this presale nonsense before they even have a manufacturer in place to make stuff that annoys the hell out of me.
 
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