JediMichael
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Never heard of it.....well, guess now I have, but no idea what IT is.....
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I'm a book-fan first and still haven't watched anything past season 5 of the Game of Thrones because I had indeed expected GRRM to tell the showrunners how he had intended A Song of Ice and Fire to continue from book 6 onwards.
Back on topic: I didn't even know House of the Dragon was coming already. Because it is a prequel I don't expect it to contain any spoilers, so I might start watching it the first one or two episodes have got good reviews.
I'm done with ASOIAF. Martin has no intention of ever finishing the books. Why should I care about a prequel to a story that will never be finished?
I hope you're wrong. I'd hate for season 8 to be the only ending we ever get. I want to know how George intended it to end.
I haven't read them, but it's my understanding that the first 4 seasons of the show are pretty faithful to the books.
And if that's the case, then he absolutely had intentions, because those first 4 seasons are a rich, finely woven tapestry of characters and themes, with a lot of foreshadowing of what should have been, if the showrunners had had a brain between the two of them.
I still think the first 4 seasons are some of the best television ever made. Unfortunately the last season made the entire series unwatchable, because none of the plot points or character arcs that Martin set up were realized.
I think the major issue is GRRM did tell D&D the ending of ASOIAF. Unless GRRM decides to change the ending (something he mentioned in the past he doesnt like to do due to the build up in foreshadowing), the ending and major plot points of the books should be similar to that of the show (Bran becomes King, Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna, Jon kills Danerys, Danerys breaks bad). The path to get there should be very different (the show killed off the Dorne plotline, Barristan is alive, Stannis is alive and sets a trap for Ramsay) but the major touchpoints should be the same.
As a result, the big surprises and twists are essentially spoiled by the show which likely has disincentivized Martin from finishing the books.
On the subject of the books' end, I'm at the point where I mostly don't care about the books. I really enjoyed them initially, but I think that Martin has run out of gas with them. The 6th book -- of 7 -- has been languishing for 11 years now. I think either he doesn't care to finish them at this point, he can't muster the enthusiasm to do so even if he kinda wants to in theory, or he's just endlessly tinkering with them and lost in the weeds while the world has moved on.Nope. I don't know that I even care if the books get finished at this point.
Well didn't he tell HBO the bare bones anyway so unless as the rumours say Jon Snow is getting a spin off..I hope you're wrong. I'd hate for season 8 to be the only ending we ever get. I want to know how George intended it to end.
I'm always for libraries, they really need as much use as they can get and a lot of them have surprisingly incredible selections. Great for watching/reading SW content without supporting the mouse. I have HBO for other things but if I didn't I would definitely do the same with GOT.My wife and I liked the Game of Thrones except for the last season. While the series had an epic pacing with complex structures, the ending was simply rushed and slapped together.
House of the Dragon could be good but we are not all fired up to see it. Our local library stocked GoT seasons which is how we started watching that, will probably wait and check out the new series the same way...
That's been the annoying thing about Martin, ever since book 5 came out, it seems that he's done little to do with book 6, don't mention book 7. And once the show came out, he's done even less, instead writing side stories, prequels, histories, and atlases, basically everything you ever wanted to know about Westeros except for what's going on in the main book line. With all of the time that he's spent working on everything but book 6, he probably could have long since finished book 6 already and would be well along on the final book.As for this show, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I don't really care. The ending of the show really burned me on this, and Martin's subsequent silence and failure to produce anything new in over a decade leaves me in just a "Whatever" state towards this franchise. If he ever writes books 6 and 7, I'll read them after I read a bunch of reviews. But I also think at this point...it's done. It's never happening. BUT, I think that the one and only benefit of this show is that technically the "end" of the show is already written in large part. Martin did put out a book while the show was still airing that's essentially a maester's history of the Iron Throne, and it touches on the Dance of Dragons that this show will cover. So, we know (or can find out) how the story supposedly ends. The only things we won't know are the side stories and plot threads the show will introduce.
Right, and to be clear, I don't begrudge Martin just being done. I mean, it's annoying to have invested on what prove to be false pretenses, but, like, he could've absolutely intended to do it all in the span of 7 years and then been hit by a bus, you know? The universe doesn't owe me a conclusion.That's been the annoying thing about Martin, ever since book 5 came out, it seems that he's done little to do with book 6, don't mention book 7. And once the show came out, he's done even less, instead writing side stories, prequels, histories, and atlases, basically everything you ever wanted to know about Westeros except for what's going on in the main book line. With all of the time that he's spent working on everything but book 6, he probably could have long since finished book 6 already and would be well along on the final book.
What I do wish he'd do, however, is issue a statement about whether he's ever gonna do a goddamn thing about these books or if he is, indeed, truly just....done. The fire's gone out, the thrill is gone, the well's run dry, etc. If he just doesn't have the creative impulse to do this story any further, that's fine, just bloody say so! Instead, he keeps the fans waiting in limbo and I think, in large part, it has pissed off enough people that most have just walked way altogether and at least some of them won't come back if and when he ever publishes book 6 (and 7?).
That wasn't Solo4114's point. His point was more about Martin actually letting us know his true intentions as to whether or not he really intends to finish A Song of Ice and Fire or not. If not, then say so and let us all move on. If he does seriously intend on finishing the series, then he should stop procrastinating & spending time writing prequels, side stories, histories, and atlases and work on finishing book 6 and start on book 7.He posts on his blog frequently about progress on Winds of Winter.
Telling people, "hey I've been doing more work on Winds of Winter. I just finished a Tyrion chapter." doesn't communicate his intentions?That wasn't Solo4114's point. His point was more about Martin actually letting us know his true intentions as to whether or not he really intends to finish A Song of Ice and Fire or not. If not, then say so and let us all move on. If he does seriously intend on finishing the series, then he should stop procrastinating & spending time writing prequels, side stories, histories, and atlases and work on finishing book 6 and start on book 7.
That's the thing, he's been posting updates like this for the past decade and he still doesn't seem to be any closer to finishing the bloody. This is why Solo is calling for a post regarding his intentions. This glacial pace combined with everything else that he's been doing since the release of book 5, it doesn't seem like he's serious about finishing book 6, much less working on boo 7 and finally finishing the series.Telling people, "hey I've been doing more work on Winds of Winter. I just finished a Tyrion chapter." doesn't communicate his intentions?