SDS Court case
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Lord Abaddon
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All I will say about all this is that so far nothing too unexpected has happened. Anything might still occur, I have known enough lawyers and read enough cases to know that in legal terms the seemingly straightforward case can turn on its ear in unexpected ways. The more time drags out, the more assumptions are made, the more people (let alone nations) involved, the more complicated it can get.
Who's to say AA might now sue LFL in the UK under their laws? Or that the judge might find the monetary reparations too severe and award $1 per helmet? Stranger things have happened.
No sense speculating, debating, etc. We don't know what AA's legal team (which is one of the best in the UK) is thinking, nor what AA himself is planning. Only time will tell.
However...
There is one thing in all this that makes everything regarding AA pale.
The fact, if true, that TrooperExpert is helping LFL take out another replica prop maker.
I've been around long enough to see some foul, sick-minded people on this forum, from Guy Raz to Paul Francis, to others that really have screwed around, lied, cheated and stole. But for TE to go out there, when he himself is a blatant illegal producer of copyrighted materials, the very things he is helping take AA out for...makes my stomach turn. I knew he was as sick man, but this takes the cake.
It would be as if any of us went out and ratted any other prop maker. Hell, to a degree I could even see GF doing it because the armor might be copied by AA. But TE, who has made thousands on his pulls from ANH and other armor and helmets, who has ripped off members of the RPF, who has lied so many times they can't be counted anymore, and who even some of the people that I normally disagree with completely on things have said he's self-serving and cares for nothing but his own ego....for him to pull this smacks of the worse example of our hobby.
If anyone can actually say that they are friends with someone who pulls crap like this, again if true, and who sides with him on his actions...well...they have little to no honor and deserve nothing but contempt.
I might not like some people, I might have had conflicts with them in discussions, etc. (Hi Gino
) But in my lifetime I would never pull such crap just to massage my ego and prove I'm superior or more knowledgeable.
If this is what our hobby, and some of it's members, have degenerated into...then I have to say that finally this hobby isn't what it use to be.
Who's to say AA might now sue LFL in the UK under their laws? Or that the judge might find the monetary reparations too severe and award $1 per helmet? Stranger things have happened.
No sense speculating, debating, etc. We don't know what AA's legal team (which is one of the best in the UK) is thinking, nor what AA himself is planning. Only time will tell.
However...
There is one thing in all this that makes everything regarding AA pale.
The fact, if true, that TrooperExpert is helping LFL take out another replica prop maker.
I've been around long enough to see some foul, sick-minded people on this forum, from Guy Raz to Paul Francis, to others that really have screwed around, lied, cheated and stole. But for TE to go out there, when he himself is a blatant illegal producer of copyrighted materials, the very things he is helping take AA out for...makes my stomach turn. I knew he was as sick man, but this takes the cake.
It would be as if any of us went out and ratted any other prop maker. Hell, to a degree I could even see GF doing it because the armor might be copied by AA. But TE, who has made thousands on his pulls from ANH and other armor and helmets, who has ripped off members of the RPF, who has lied so many times they can't be counted anymore, and who even some of the people that I normally disagree with completely on things have said he's self-serving and cares for nothing but his own ego....for him to pull this smacks of the worse example of our hobby.
If anyone can actually say that they are friends with someone who pulls crap like this, again if true, and who sides with him on his actions...well...they have little to no honor and deserve nothing but contempt.
I might not like some people, I might have had conflicts with them in discussions, etc. (Hi Gino
) But in my lifetime I would never pull such crap just to massage my ego and prove I'm superior or more knowledgeable.If this is what our hobby, and some of it's members, have degenerated into...then I have to say that finally this hobby isn't what it use to be.
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
Discussion of the case that turns into character assassination on a former member unable to answer.......Mr Kettle, I salute you
JJ
JJ
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
exoray, are you serious? What wonderful Spin.
So you're saying that LFL finally catches up with TE and says
LFL:"You've been a really bad boy and we're going to sue you"
TE: "But but but"
LFL: "UNLESS you dig the dirt on AA - I bet you know all about him"
TE "errrrr, okay then. If I do can I also have a nice look round the archive, I really want to get my hands on your Hero helmet"
So basically TE does such a great job that he's able to tell everyone that he's working as a consultant to LFL and gets to spend lots of time in their Archive
exoray - is this really what you think happened?
Cheers
Jez
So you're saying that LFL finally catches up with TE and says
LFL:"You've been a really bad boy and we're going to sue you"
TE: "But but but"
LFL: "UNLESS you dig the dirt on AA - I bet you know all about him"
TE "errrrr, okay then. If I do can I also have a nice look round the archive, I really want to get my hands on your Hero helmet"
So basically TE does such a great job that he's able to tell everyone that he's working as a consultant to LFL and gets to spend lots of time in their Archive
exoray - is this really what you think happened?
Cheers
Jez
exoray
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(BingoBongo275 @ Sep 25 2006, 06:26 PM) [snapback]1326224[/snapback]</div>
Honestly I have no idea what happened and only a few select do, but to pass judgement without knowing one fact is just silly, and that was the point of my post...
BTW your scenerio is one that plays out every day in the courts around the US... Immunity and/or a blind eye in exchange for your testimony, is a very common legal play...
IMO it's no more far fetched that the mystery "original moulds" that no one can see...
Honestly I have no idea what happened and only a few select do, but to pass judgement without knowing one fact is just silly, and that was the point of my post...
BTW your scenerio is one that plays out every day in the courts around the US... Immunity and/or a blind eye in exchange for your testimony, is a very common legal play...
IMO it's no more far fetched that the mystery "original moulds" that no one can see...
Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Jumpin Jax @ Sep 25 2006, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1326207[/snapback]</div>
I agree. These SDS threads are heated enohg as it is, we need to try and stay focused without bringing more heat to the thread.
Discussion of the case that turns into character assassination on a former member unable to answer.......Mr Kettle, I salute you
JJ
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I agree. These SDS threads are heated enohg as it is, we need to try and stay focused without bringing more heat to the thread.
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 25 2006, 11:32 PM) [snapback]1326238[/snapback]</div>
Immunity and/or a blind eye plus countless trips around the Lucasfilm Archive in exchange for your testimony..
You forgot to mention the middle bit :lol
Bottom line is Matt saw an opportunity of getting close to LFL and getting one back on AA who had rejected his business venture. :thumbsdown
Cheers
Jez
Immunity and/or a blind eye plus countless trips around the Lucasfilm Archive in exchange for your testimony..
You forgot to mention the middle bit :lol
Bottom line is Matt saw an opportunity of getting close to LFL and getting one back on AA who had rejected his business venture. :thumbsdown
Cheers
Jez
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
Once again, there's a lot of MENTIONING, BASHING, and public libel of a FORMER forum member that is both banned and unable to reply. This is a blatant violation of RPF rules by both Lord Abadon and bingo. These are suspension or ban-worthy acts, I was made to believe. I await a Moderator making a descision on this. TE bashing may be chic these days but that doesn't make it acceptable or allowed on this forum. If anyone is curious enough to know what's going on, you could just ask him.
This is not the place, and that's been a standing rule that has ended many threads. Ban or suspension, something has to happen here.
JJ
This is not the place, and that's been a standing rule that has ended many threads. Ban or suspension, something has to happen here.
JJ
exoray
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(BingoBongo275 @ Sep 25 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1326262[/snapback]</div>
And you (a person who had a vested interest in SDS) now sees an opportunity to use this as ammunition for a personal attack against the compeditor, so who is the better man?
The Kettle sure is black...
And you (a person who had a vested interest in SDS) now sees an opportunity to use this as ammunition for a personal attack against the compeditor, so who is the better man?
The Kettle sure is black...
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 25 2006, 05:07 PM) [snapback]1326273[/snapback]</div>
And you (a person who had a vested interest in SDS) now sees an opportunity to use this as ammunition for a personal attack against the compeditor, so who is the better man?
The Kettle sure is black...
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Vested interest.....partner.........accomplice......associate. Who's keeping score? :love
And you (a person who had a vested interest in SDS) now sees an opportunity to use this as ammunition for a personal attack against the compeditor, so who is the better man?
The Kettle sure is black...
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Vested interest.....partner.........accomplice......associate. Who's keeping score? :love
Boba Debt
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 25 2006, 11:00 PM) [snapback]1326200[/snapback]</div>
Is that an interpretation or is it stated somewhere I didn't read?
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 25 2006, 11:32 PM) [snapback]1326238[/snapback]</div>
Just because it is used every day in our court system that doesn't make it morally right.
The fact that lawyers bend and twist the laws of our judicial system is the basis of all the hate directed toward them.
Please tell a family whose child's murderer get a less severe sentence based on his testimony that it's a very common legal play.
I too am disgusted that Matt would supply information to the court system.
If he every returns to the forums I'm sure he will get blasted.
Is that an interpretation or is it stated somewhere I didn't read?
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 25 2006, 11:32 PM) [snapback]1326238[/snapback]</div>
Just because it is used every day in our court system that doesn't make it morally right.
The fact that lawyers bend and twist the laws of our judicial system is the basis of all the hate directed toward them.
Please tell a family whose child's murderer get a less severe sentence based on his testimony that it's a very common legal play.
I too am disgusted that Matt would supply information to the court system.
If he every returns to the forums I'm sure he will get blasted.
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Boba Debt @ Sep 25 2006, 05:20 PM) [snapback]1326286[/snapback]</div>
He's getting blasted and he's not even here. :unsure
From that US Dept of State website (thanks for the link)....
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Statutory demand doesn't apply here....we are not talking about the repo man. AA's lawyers argued the point of jurisdiction. That's all they had to do to set things up for the enforcement proceedings in which it will be clear that jurisdiction was contested.
It will all boil down to how the UK courts interpret the validity of the judgement of the CA judge in regard to jurisdiction. Given that that judge's assessment of the points which validate jurisdiction were interpreted with anything but impartiality or objectivity, dare I say even with fairness (and I outlined the problems with the judge's interpretations in that old SDS megathread), I really do not see how the UK courts will see the jurisdiction argument as valid. The work was completed in the UK by a UK artisan with no contract and therefore with no rights signed off to LFL for the work. And it will take months even in the best case scenario to go through the UK courts.
So in spite of what some here might think, US laws do not automatically apply everywhere else in the world.
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Statutory demand doesn't apply here....we are not talking about the repo man
. AA's lawyers argued the point of jurisdiction. That's all they had to do to set things up for the enforcement proceedings in which it will be clear that jurisdiction was contested.It will all boil down to how the UK courts interpret the validity of the judgement of the CA judge in regard to jurisdiction. Given that that judge's assessment of the points which validate jurisdiction were interpreted with anything but impartiality or objectivity, dare I say even with fairness (and I outlined the problems with the judge's interpretations in that old SDS megathread), I really do not see how the UK courts will see the jurisdiction argument as valid. The work was completed in the UK by a UK artisan with no contract and therefore with no rights signed off to LFL for the work. And it will take months even in the best case scenario to go through the UK courts.
So in spite of what some here might think, US laws do not automatically apply everywhere else in the world
.
Boba Debt
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(exoray @ Sep 26 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1326298[/snapback]</div>
What about the other RPF/501st members that supplied infomation to LFL?
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I doubt any of them have exploited the bootleg market like Matt.
To me it's like the cops catching a hit man that murdered 1000 people and let him have the keys to the city for testifying against the another hit man that only kill a few people.
That's extreme but accurate
What about the other RPF/501st members that supplied infomation to LFL?
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I doubt any of them have exploited the bootleg market like Matt.
To me it's like the cops catching a hit man that murdered 1000 people and let him have the keys to the city for testifying against the another hit man that only kill a few people.
That's extreme but accurate
exoray
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Boba Debt @ Sep 25 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]1326337[/snapback]</div>
What about the other RPF/501st members that supplied infomation to LFL?
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I doubt any of them have exploited the bootleg market like Matt.
To me it's like the cops catching a hit man that murdered 1000 people and let him have the keys to the city for testifying against the another hit man that only kill a few people.
That's extreme but accurate
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What exactly do you (or anyone else) object to that Matt has stated for the Courts?
Funny how not one single person (ok maybe a few do) here has the facts but is passing judgement solely on personal vendetas...
What about the other RPF/501st members that supplied infomation to LFL?
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I doubt any of them have exploited the bootleg market like Matt.
To me it's like the cops catching a hit man that murdered 1000 people and let him have the keys to the city for testifying against the another hit man that only kill a few people.
That's extreme but accurate
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What exactly do you (or anyone else) object to that Matt has stated for the Courts?
Funny how not one single person (ok maybe a few do) here has the facts but is passing judgement solely on personal vendetas...
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Boba Debt @ Sep 25 2006, 06:37 PM) [snapback]1326337[/snapback]</div>
THAT's extreme and accurate......except no one's dead :confused
Killed a few people, laughed in the face of victim's "family members", double-dog dared them to sue him, claimed godlike powers over something, imitated the killings of others and claimed the kills as his own, lied to the world about it, and then looked surprised when called on it.
THAT's extreme and accurate......except no one's dead :confused
Boba Debt
Master Member
If he can turn on AA he can turn on anyone.
It's that whole "honor amongst thieves" code.
Plus the fact that Matt has probably made more money selling bootleg armor then just about any of the other sellers just adds insult to injury.
Kind of like Moogy call out AA for ethical violations.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
It's that whole "honor amongst thieves" code.
Plus the fact that Matt has probably made more money selling bootleg armor then just about any of the other sellers just adds insult to injury.
Kind of like Moogy call out AA for ethical violations.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Boba Debt @ Sep 25 2006, 07:00 PM) [snapback]1326351[/snapback]</div>
<div class='quotetop'>(Boba Debt @ Sep 25 2006, 07:00 PM) [snapback]1326351[/snapback]</div>
You do know that many different people thieved off of Matt? Is that acceptable? Please, tell me.
<div class='quotetop'>(Boba Debt @ Sep 25 2006, 07:00 PM) [snapback]1326351[/snapback]</div>
Oh I'm sure Galaxy trading sold MUCH more
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