Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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niennumb1
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What I would do... If I was to have an appearance from the '77 Vader, to not re-sculpt it, but go to the Lucasfilm archives and see about making a recast of the exact helmet via laser scan technology so it doesn't damage the original casting. Why re-sculpt it when you have access to the original stuff to use?
That's IF they're working on a Vader.....
What I would do... If I was to have an appearance from the '77 Vader, to not re-sculpt it, but go to the Lucasfilm archives and see about making a recast of the exact helmet via laser scan technology so it doesn't damage the original casting. Why re-sculpt it when you have access to the original stuff to use?
That's IF they're working on a Vader.....
Riceball
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That would be nice, and by early Vader I'd want to see something that's clearly different from all previous incarnations of Vader and not just a return to the ANH version which, to the unitiated, is identical to the suit used in the subsequent movies. While I understand Lucas wanting Vader to be clearly recognizable in RoS, he really didn't think it through when he went with just a modified version of the OT suit, it really should have looked noticeably different so that even the casual fan could tell it was supposed to be different. I think that a variation of the McQuarrie concept art would be a nice way to go.
That would be nice, and by early Vader I'd want to see something that's clearly different from all previous incarnations of Vader and not just a return to the ANH version which, to the unitiated, is identical to the suit used in the subsequent movies. While I understand Lucas wanting Vader to be clearly recognizable in RoS, he really didn't think it through when he went with just a modified version of the OT suit, it really should have looked noticeably different so that even the casual fan could tell it was supposed to be different. I think that a variation of the McQuarrie concept art would be a nice way to go.
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ROTS is a source of much frustration to me in that regard. There was concept art for Anakin/Vader after being burned that showed him not completely enclosed. It was later used for Darth Malgus in the The Old Republic MMORPG. George vetoed it right away, and we went in the famliar direction. I would have utterly loved to see that version of Vader -- burned and with a respirator. Basically this (credit to GardHelset on DevaintArt -- I love his Vader concepts):
The rest would come later. While I like that Rebels is going with one of McQuarrie's Vader concepts, I wish they'd gone with this one instead:
I know only that it's a one-off made by a Canadian propmaker named Mark, as his interpretation of the McQuarrie painting used for the cover of the first printing of the Star Wars novelization in 1976:
That said, I'd be fine with any version of Vader that 1) has the inner robe over the chest armor, rather than under, and 2) has a "widow's peak" on the helmet.
--Jonah
ROTS is a source of much frustration to me in that regard. There was concept art for Anakin/Vader after being burned that showed him not completely enclosed. It was later used for Darth Malgus in the The Old Republic MMORPG. George vetoed it right away, and we went in the famliar direction. I would have utterly loved to see that version of Vader -- burned and with a respirator. Basically this (credit to GardHelset on DevaintArt -- I love his Vader concepts):
The rest would come later. While I like that Rebels is going with one of McQuarrie's Vader concepts, I wish they'd gone with this one instead:
I know only that it's a one-off made by a Canadian propmaker named Mark, as his interpretation of the McQuarrie painting used for the cover of the first printing of the Star Wars novelization in 1976:
That said, I'd be fine with any version of Vader that 1) has the inner robe over the chest armor, rather than under, and 2) has a "widow's peak" on the helmet.
--Jonah
Wolfsburg
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That would be weird to go from the "generic OT-style" ROTS suit to a McQuarrie-inspired suit that looks dramatically different in Rogue One, and then immediately return to the OT-style with the ANH suit. I'm guessing Rogue One occurs right before the events of ANH.
I do agree it would've been neat if the earlier ROTS suit had been more McQuarrie-inspired though. I also wish the suit had not just materialized out of thin air and been more influenced by existing design elements. I know Anakin's dark brown Jedi garb was somewhat reminiscent but frankly I would've been fine if Anakin in ROTS had pretty much worn the quilted, layered black suit and armor we associate with Vader- except perhaps with a cloak- throughout the movie and only adopted the cape, helmet and electronic life support elements after the immolation. It's a nice touch that some Jedi wear Vader-like armor in TCW but that should've been in the movies.
That would be weird to go from the "generic OT-style" ROTS suit to a McQuarrie-inspired suit that looks dramatically different in Rogue One, and then immediately return to the OT-style with the ANH suit. I'm guessing Rogue One occurs right before the events of ANH.
I do agree it would've been neat if the earlier ROTS suit had been more McQuarrie-inspired though. I also wish the suit had not just materialized out of thin air and been more influenced by existing design elements. I know Anakin's dark brown Jedi garb was somewhat reminiscent but frankly I would've been fine if Anakin in ROTS had pretty much worn the quilted, layered black suit and armor we associate with Vader- except perhaps with a cloak- throughout the movie and only adopted the cape, helmet and electronic life support elements after the immolation. It's a nice touch that some Jedi wear Vader-like armor in TCW but that should've been in the movies.
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I'd disagree on the undersuit and armor. One thing I really wish George had preserved was no one (except Obi-Wan) knowing Vader was really Anakin. Vader showing up wearing the same clothes, with only the addition of new life-support gear, as Anakin had just been wearing would blow that out of the water. There's also the argument from elsewhere on here as to what connotes the "Jedi uniform", which the Prequels also messed up. If we are to give any credence to George's comments to Mark Hamill during costume fitting sessions in 1982, Luke's ROTJ outfit was "more Jedi-like" -- being black tunic and trousers and dark gray stole, with a brown cloak. If all the Jedi fighting in the Clone Wars were wearing black outfits augmented with black Vader-style chest and shoulder armor, we'd have some terrific continuity with ANH and "you're the last of their religion" and Vader as a "fallen Jedi Knight", and nothing that would have specifically identified him as Anakin.
I have a similar problem with how the uniforms went from blue versions of the OT uniform jackets (minus chest pockets), to something utterly different in ROTS, then back to the same cut as earlier for ANH. Up until ROTS came out, I was fan-squeeing over how the pilots of the Radiant VII were wearing the same color uniform (more or less) as Han (a former Imperial pilot). If his blue pants and blue jacket were his old "class B" uniform (we see other straight-legged, single-breasted olive uniforms on the Death Star, so there's precedent), that would imply the blue uniforms for the Republic Navy changing more recently to the steingrau of the Imperial Starfleet as part of the increasing "imperialization" of the galaxy at the time of ANH. Alas.
Basically, my biggest issue with the Prequels is the marry hob they wreaked on continuity to the OT.
--Jonah
I'd disagree on the undersuit and armor. One thing I really wish George had preserved was no one (except Obi-Wan) knowing Vader was really Anakin. Vader showing up wearing the same clothes, with only the addition of new life-support gear, as Anakin had just been wearing would blow that out of the water. There's also the argument from elsewhere on here as to what connotes the "Jedi uniform", which the Prequels also messed up. If we are to give any credence to George's comments to Mark Hamill during costume fitting sessions in 1982, Luke's ROTJ outfit was "more Jedi-like" -- being black tunic and trousers and dark gray stole, with a brown cloak. If all the Jedi fighting in the Clone Wars were wearing black outfits augmented with black Vader-style chest and shoulder armor, we'd have some terrific continuity with ANH and "you're the last of their religion" and Vader as a "fallen Jedi Knight", and nothing that would have specifically identified him as Anakin.
I have a similar problem with how the uniforms went from blue versions of the OT uniform jackets (minus chest pockets), to something utterly different in ROTS, then back to the same cut as earlier for ANH. Up until ROTS came out, I was fan-squeeing over how the pilots of the Radiant VII were wearing the same color uniform (more or less) as Han (a former Imperial pilot). If his blue pants and blue jacket were his old "class B" uniform (we see other straight-legged, single-breasted olive uniforms on the Death Star, so there's precedent), that would imply the blue uniforms for the Republic Navy changing more recently to the steingrau of the Imperial Starfleet as part of the increasing "imperialization" of the galaxy at the time of ANH. Alas.
Basically, my biggest issue with the Prequels is the marry hob they wreaked on continuity to the OT.
--Jonah
Wolfsburg
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Well it's very true that if the suit had not changed any more than I described, it would've been pretty obvious Anakin and Vader were one and the same. I do at least think the Jedi should've worn something more akin to Luke's ROTJ garb, with perhaps black armor in combat situations. As you say, it would be great for continuity reasons. As it is, it feels too much like Sidious just pulled out the Vader suit from his closet. "I have just the thing for you to wear!"
I also agree that one of my biggest gripes with the PT was how it tended to take a big dump on any kind of continuity with the OT and what connections were attempted seemed a bit hamfisted.
Well it's very true that if the suit had not changed any more than I described, it would've been pretty obvious Anakin and Vader were one and the same. I do at least think the Jedi should've worn something more akin to Luke's ROTJ garb, with perhaps black armor in combat situations. As you say, it would be great for continuity reasons. As it is, it feels too much like Sidious just pulled out the Vader suit from his closet. "I have just the thing for you to wear!"
I also agree that one of my biggest gripes with the PT was how it tended to take a big dump on any kind of continuity with the OT and what connections were attempted seemed a bit hamfisted.
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Vader..has always looked the same to me,ALWAYS ANH,ESB,ROTJ,ROS he always looked like...well Vader,so the question to me is will he still be as slow as he was in the originals or will he be a little faster with his saber?
Vader wasn't Boba he took care of his armor so it's hard as hell to see a difference honestly.
Vader..has always looked the same to me,ALWAYS ANH,ESB,ROTJ,ROS he always looked like...well Vader,so the question to me is will he still be as slow as he was in the originals or will he be a little faster with his saber?
Vader wasn't Boba he took care of his armor so it's hard as hell to see a difference honestly.
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Probably 99% of the people who have seen the movies would not notice any difference in his outfit across the various movies. It's only the people trying to replicate the costumes that really notice. Same goes for the Stormtrooper armor throughout the original trilogy.
Probably 99% of the people who have seen the movies would not notice any difference in his outfit across the various movies. It's only the people trying to replicate the costumes that really notice. Same goes for the Stormtrooper armor throughout the original trilogy.
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That's kinda where I am-the prop department gets sloppy,not some super secret in movie meaning,like the trooper who bangs his head on the death star,stuff happens.
That's kinda where I am-the prop department gets sloppy,not some super secret in movie meaning,like the trooper who bangs his head on the death star,stuff happens.
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I'm not expecting any prop/costume continuity from a series that never given us any.
I'm not expecting any prop/costume continuity from a series that never given us any.
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As a 8-14 year old watching the films on release I never noticed any difference in Vader or ST armor.
As a 8-14 year old watching the films on release I never noticed any difference in Vader or ST armor.
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I don't really think I did when I was a kid, either. And to all the people saying that changes were made in order to make new toys - we got ONE Vader action figure between '77 and '86. ONE!
I don't really think I did when I was a kid, either. And to all the people saying that changes were made in order to make new toys - we got ONE Vader action figure between '77 and '86. ONE!
niennumb1
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I don't know why, but even when I was 5 years old I noticed Vader's helmet looked different in ANH than it did the other 2 films. The ESB and ROTJ dome was very close together, but honestly didn't pick up any specific details of that til later. My eyes could always tell that helmet was different though from the original.
Another thing I noticed was how the shoulder armor wore in one film over another. Why the fabric went over the armor in one film and then underneath in the others...
I would think that, unless there was real issues with his helmet functionality between all 3 film timelines, why they would make new mods than instead have spare ones on hand that he would just swap out if something went bad. If it were me maintaining the same look throughout I'd want to use the same mold master for everything.
I would allow a big pass on E3's mask though if it was based off the old concept sketches of Ralph. I could see that changing over time with it being his first helmet. I can't see it taking past 20 years to get the design down to what it ultimately was for Episode 4 (though my favorite version is the ESB one).
It would be like the Millenium Falcon. Outside remains the same with inner mods only being different, unless of course when you're talking a destroyed piece like the satellite dish.
I don't know why, but even when I was 5 years old I noticed Vader's helmet looked different in ANH than it did the other 2 films. The ESB and ROTJ dome was very close together, but honestly didn't pick up any specific details of that til later. My eyes could always tell that helmet was different though from the original.
Another thing I noticed was how the shoulder armor wore in one film over another. Why the fabric went over the armor in one film and then underneath in the others...
I would think that, unless there was real issues with his helmet functionality between all 3 film timelines, why they would make new mods than instead have spare ones on hand that he would just swap out if something went bad. If it were me maintaining the same look throughout I'd want to use the same mold master for everything.
I would allow a big pass on E3's mask though if it was based off the old concept sketches of Ralph. I could see that changing over time with it being his first helmet. I can't see it taking past 20 years to get the design down to what it ultimately was for Episode 4 (though my favorite version is the ESB one).
It would be like the Millenium Falcon. Outside remains the same with inner mods only being different, unless of course when you're talking a destroyed piece like the satellite dish.
OldKen
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I noticed.
I noticed the difference in the hero and stunt helmets... I noticed the bubble lenses on luke and Han's helmets.
I really didn't like the black frown on the troops in ESB because it ended up looking like a black line instead of "teeth"...
And ROTJ... I really never liked the way the TK helmets looked. I didn't know why... But I noticed that they just seemed lower budget looking...
I was a very artistic and observant kid...
But I promise you, I did notice.
I noticed.
I noticed the difference in the hero and stunt helmets... I noticed the bubble lenses on luke and Han's helmets.
I really didn't like the black frown on the troops in ESB because it ended up looking like a black line instead of "teeth"...
And ROTJ... I really never liked the way the TK helmets looked. I didn't know why... But I noticed that they just seemed lower budget looking...
I was a very artistic and observant kid...
But I promise you, I did notice.
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drcraig13
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It would have been cool to see an early not so tank like version of Vader I do admit. If people remember Grevious was supposed to be an early version of the type procedure that Vader undergoes. This is also why I hate losing some of the EU stuff because Rise of Lord Vader kind of addresses where and why we have the design for Vader.
It would have been cool to see an early not so tank like version of Vader I do admit. If people remember Grevious was supposed to be an early version of the type procedure that Vader undergoes. This is also why I hate losing some of the EU stuff because Rise of Lord Vader kind of addresses where and why we have the design for Vader.
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