Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[KrangPrime]

I'd like to know what all this Ep 7 & 8 talk has to do with Rogue One?

J

I wanted to say something snarky here in reference to another thread, but my sense of humor might be taken the wrong way, so i'll leave it alone ;o)..


Actually, It seems like they are doing with star wars, LIGHTLY what they did with the marvel universe, try and tie it all together somehow.
hence, the ep 7 saber in Star Wars rebels.

I don't think it's unfair to have some talk over lap, at least in this case

 

[OldKen]

Actually everything we see in Star Wars was in the past... And far from here! LOL!!!!

" I still think it's cheap in the extreme on the First Order's part to not have a filter that does both. We do now, and they're tens of thousands of years ahead of us in the Star Wars universe...

--Jonah

 

[Jaitea]

I wanted to say something snarky here in reference to another thread, but my sense of humor might be taken the wrong way, so i'll leave it alone ;o)..


Actually, It seems like they are doing with star wars, LIGHTLY what they did with the marvel universe, try and tie it all together somehow.
hence, the ep 7 saber in Star Wars rebels.

I don't think it's unfair to have some talk over lap, at least in this case

No mention of Rogue One at all from posts 3451 to 3469,....almost an entire page, mainly directed at Ep 8

J

 

[JD]

"Filtering out smoke" I take to mean particulates, rather than bioreactive chemicals. I still think it's cheap in the extreme on the First Order's part to not have a filter that does both. We do now, and they're tens of thousands of years ahead of us in the Star Wars universe. That's what I always took the aerators on the classic Stormtrooper helmet to be -- detachable microfilters that do in half an inch by half an inch what our big clunky cannister filters do, that can also be detached for an external air hookup (pilot, vacuum operations, etc.).

I hate to continue to drag this off topic. But, filtering out particulates rather than "bioreactive chemicals" is again, kinda silly - well, as far as the explanation that the ST helmet filters smoke but not toxins goes. Not filtering something very basic like carbon monoxide - which smoke always has - is still going to allow these toxins in smoke to impair or kill you.

In simplest terms, smoke is a toxin... in more elaborate terms, smoke has toxins in it - what those are depends on what produces the smoke.

 

[Darth Lars]

Anyway, the debate is based on what Finn had been told by his superiors. He could have been fed all sorts of lies.
Maybe the filters would filter particles of smoke that would have the smell of smoke and cause irritation but allow gases and aerosols to pass.

 

[Treadwell]

One would think they would OVERpromise the troops on how protected they are, not the opposite.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I did find it odd to hear Fin say that in TFA, I would have thought the helmet would provide protection from both, I mean why else wear the damn thing?

Exactly. In the real world there are chemical weapons being used right now. Smoke is the least of the problems you need to worry about. I don't know why no one in the production ever brought that up and said this isn't right. That's something that the new EU needs to retcon.

 

[JD]

Smoke is made up of gases or vapors - not unlike chemical weapons which are often dispersed as vapors (although it goes back to dipping arrows in venom). Smoke is pretty much the first "chemical weapon" as it was used as an irritant from prehistoric times.

Smoke varies due to what causes it. Structure fires nowadays burn much faster and hotter than those years ago - more synthetics in homes means the smoke produced is more toxic. Add all this up and the wording the Star Wars folks are using just seems odd, at best.

Smoke is definitely not the "least of the problems you need to worry about." It will kill you just as dead.

 

[astroboy]

We're talking about a line said by Finn in a JJ Abrams movie. He spouts off technobabble to serve the action in the moment. It will never be referred to again.

Those vents can do ANYTHING they want to

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[JD]

We're talking about a line said by Finn in a JJ Abrams movie. He spouts off technobabble to serve the action in the moment. It will never be referred to again.

Those vents can do ANYTHING they want to

Even glow green!

 

[JD]

So it seems that Stormtroopers in Rogue One can fly...

http://intl.target.com/p/star-wars-interactech-imperial-stormtrooper-action-figure/-/A-50702029

The new Rogue One InteracTech Stormtrooper has over 65 sound, and light effects with phrases like, "Head for the canyon," "There's one: set for stun," or "Let's take this fight to the sky!"

 

[Bryancd]

So it seems that Stormtroopers in Rogue One can fly...

http://intl.target.com/p/star-wars-interactech-imperial-stormtrooper-action-figure/-/A-50702029

The new Rogue One InteracTech Stormtrooper has over 65 sound, and light effects with phrases like, "Head for the canyon," "There's one: set for stun," or "Let's take this fight to the sky!"

They certainly do in Battlefront! I like it when you shoot them they spin out of control and explode.

 

[G W Zipper]

I think it's awesome that a stormtrooper's toxin filters don't filter out toxins. What else do you want out of a big clunky suit of armour that can't stop a blaster bolt?

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Smoke is made up of gases or vapors - not unlike chemical weapons which are often dispersed as vapors (although it goes back to dipping arrows in venom). Smoke is pretty much the first "chemical weapon" as it was used as an irritant from prehistoric times.

Smoke varies due to what causes it. Structure fires nowadays burn much faster and hotter than those years ago - more synthetics in homes means the smoke produced is more toxic. Add all this up and the wording the Star Wars folks are using just seems odd, at best.

Smoke is definitely not the "least of the problems you need to worry about." It will kill you just as dead.

Yeah if you sit and inhale smoke or in a building where you can't avoid it, it's deadly. I have never heard of any battlefield reports where a soldier died from running through smoke.

 

[astroboy]

I always assumed that the centre grill on a stormtrooper helmets was the breathing filter and the other two round vents were speakers

But I don't know anything

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[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I was pretty young when my mind connected the gray bits on the Stormtrooper helmet with the gray lenses on infrared motion sensors. Like, late elementary school age. Before I knew too much about advanced electronics stuff, it made sense to me that there were sensors to cover blind spots. I didn't think too hard about the earcap greeblies. It was enough to handwave it as "audio sensors". But the teeth made me wonder why they'd have the same stuff. Because of the pilots I already knew air went in through the aerators. So was the frown redundant? Didn't take me long to come up with:

- Normal operating conditions, the gaps in the frown are open. Free exchange in and out.
- Sensors in the teeth detect dangerous levels of whatever, frown goes one-way out. Inflow now goes through filters in the aerators.
- If air quality or quantity drops below what the filters can handle, valves switch over to internal air supply.
- After I learned about them, I postulated the presence of recirculation air scrubbers somewhere in that mix, too.

But I always interpreted the central grille as covering a p/a speaker.

--Jonah

 

[JD]

Yeah if you sit and inhale smoke or in a building where you can't avoid it, it's deadly. I have never heard of any battlefield reports where a soldier died from running through smoke.

I'm not sure if you're just playing devil's advocate or what. But, since we're still beating this dead horse...

The simple fact is that smoke is a toxin and can contain any number of toxic gases. The effects of which depends on what's producing the smoke. When we had a fire at a chemical processing facility (oils, fuels, deicer - nasty stuff) we evacuated for a mile around because of the smoke.

Once again, let me repeat smoke is a toxin. Just in case you didn't read that the other times, smoke contains a variety of toxic gases that vary depending on the source.

Just like the Spartans and Chinese using arsenic smoke to take out their enemies.
Or the Chinese using bellows to pump smoke from certain plants. They had recipes of hundreds of different toxic smokes.
Sun Tzu's Art of War even refers to fire and smoke weapons.

The idea that the Stormtrooper helmet filters smoke but not toxins is silly - and the idea behind it has been debated here. Again, smoke is a toxin and it can contain any number of toxic gases.

A NIOSH N95 is a typical respirator that filters particulates (up to 95%) - but it is not going to protect you from the toxic gases in smoke - which, again, vary greatly depending on the source.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12184505 (this is just about typical structure fire smoke - it doesn't touch on other possible sources).

 

[clancampbell]

I always assumed that the centre grill on a stormtrooper helmets was the breathing filter and the other two round vents were speakers

But I don't know anything

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That's exactly what i always assumed, right from when i saw Star Wars as a 10 year old....

Rich

 

[jkno]

I always assumed that the centre grill on a stormtrooper helmets was the breathing filter and the other two round vents were speakers

But I don't know anything

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I thought the dual mic tips were some kind of air filters - that because of the hoses on TIE Pilots, which are in the same place.

 

[greedo]

This thread has officially jumped the shark....