Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Post-release)

[StevenBills]

Since they included some Gungans, it would've been nice to acknowledge the Geonosians. But, at least according to Wiki, the Geonosian are only responsible for the Death Star architecture.

Gungans? Where?! How'd I miss that?

 

[JD]

Gungans? Where?! How'd I miss that?

There was a statement out there that some Gungans appeared in a shot or two, I personally didn't see them.

 

[cboath]

Or ... Vader was just toying with his old master.

I always remembered when Vader used to talk about "rebel spies" and "trechary" I used to think he was kinda harsh about the peace-loving hippie rebels. But this film makes me see how rebels can be ruthless. His disdain makes even more sense. I love how the universe isn't black and white anymore.

I said earlier that I think it has much more to do with the opponent.

Vader vs a bunch of rebel soldiers who've probably never seen, let alone met or had to face a Jedi before (or sith). It was super-heated knife through soft butter easy. Easy to go in and make yourself look super bad ass and show off and induce @#$*loads of fear for those who hear about it down the line.

Meanwhile, in ANH - he's facing the guy who hacked off his legs in one fell swoop the last time they met. Additionally, it was obi who pretty much taught him how to use a saber. So, you think he might take things more seriously and a lot more careful in round 2? Just gotta knick the right part of that suit to basically shut it off and kill him. Only a moron goes into that fight like he did into the troopers.

 

[mattycsi]

We just got home from seeing it and both the hubby and I thought it was great. To me, Star Wars works best when it's a setting for a story rather than the whole of the story (if that makes sense). This was a war/spy movie set in the Star Wars universe (much as the book Kenobi is a spaghetti western set in the SW Universe) and it worked beautifully, in my mind.

I'm hoping that the Han Solo anthology film will be a full-on heist film, like an Italian Job or Ocean's 11 set in Star Wars. THAT will be a lot of fun!

Rogue One has settled my nerves massively, but I'm still reticent on the Solo film, if they do go down the heist line and avoid a full on genesis story I'll be happy. Maybe at the end just have them decide to go to that bar they like on Tattooine!

 

[mattycsi]

I said earlier that I think it has much more to do with the opponent.

Vader vs a bunch of rebel soldiers who've probably never seen, let alone met or had to face a Jedi before (or sith). It was super-heated knife through soft butter easy. Easy to go in and make yourself look super bad ass and show off and induce @#$*loads of fear for those who hear about it down the line.

Meanwhile, in ANH - he's facing the guy who hacked off his legs in one fell swoop the last time they met. Additionally, it was obi who pretty much taught him how to use a saber. So, you think he might take things more seriously and a lot more careful in round 2? Just gotta knick the right part of that suit to basically shut it off and kill him. Only a moron goes into that fight like he did into the troopers.

Exactly what I've been saying. When you fight or spar with a guy you know is good you are a lot more measured and pick your opportunities.

 

[rchrz60]

Been thinking about Vader's lethargic lightsaber fighting in ANH and came up with a theory that could explain it.

All the other saber fighting we've seen with Vader occurs either before or after ANH. But the saber fight in ANH occurs with what could arguably be the two most powerful Jedis there are. Is it possible that the Force was so strong between the two that it slowed both down physically? Hence the rather lethargic physical aspect of their fight. They could have been exerting tons of Force at each other, perhaps more or less cancelling each other's Force out, and that's maybe why what they were doing physically was affected. Add to that the fact that each was a couple decades older physically.

You might counter by saying that Vader and Kenobi fought very energetically in ROTS, so where did that go? Well, they were both physically much younger then, and neither was as strong with the Force then. Other saber fights we've seen throughout the series, including Luke and Vader, were nearly always between combatants with more unequal levels of Force ability.

No real proof of any of this, of course. Just something I came up with that could explain it.

A.J.

So a few things here......

1) It was explained in an older article or extra feature of a movie that Vader can't fight like he used to (Episode III) because his suit is so cumbersome it's hard to move around in, hence the Frankenstein walk after his first suitup in Revenge Of The Sith.

2) Obi Wan didn't move like he used to for two reasons, A) He's old. I don't think I need to elaborate on that point any further, and B) It has been said through the Novels and Cannon Comic Books that while on Tatooine Ben had to learn to disconnect himself from the force, distance himself so to speak so that he could not be felt through the force by Vader or Palpatine.

So during his fight with Vader it was basically down to swordsmanship, and while Vader could have used the force on Obi Wan, he wasn't aware of Obi Wan's disconnection from the force and probably just assumed that whatever he threw at his old master, that Ben would just counter and match, like what happened on Mustafar.

Again, just my opinions mixed with Star Wars backstories that have been released.


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[astroboy]

Obi wan also threw the fight once he knew that Luke was watching. He need to inspire Luke to be the new hope

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[rchrz60]

Obi wan also threw the fight once he knew that Luke was watching. He need to inspire Luke to be the new hope

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And he knew how to become one with the force and felt he could better help Luke through the force rather than in physical form.


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[astroboy]

And he knew how to become one with the force and felt he could better help Luke through the force rather than in physical form.


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We talk a lot about how Lucas borrowed ideas from other films, but seriously, the entire setup for all of this was masterful.

The fact that Luke doesn't actually fight with a lightsaber is incredible. Such restraint.

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[Contec]

Meanwhile, in ANH - he's facing the guy who hacked off his legs in one fell swoop the last time they met. Additionally, it was obi who pretty much taught him how to use a saber. So, you think he might take things more seriously and a lot more careful in round 2? Just gotta knick the right part of that suit to basically shut it off and kill him. Only a moron goes into that fight like he did into the troopers.

Check from 2:35

 

[Coop]

Saw it last night night. Thought the movie was very entertaining but the score was a huge let down for me. So disappointing considering I love a lot of MG's other stuff (Super 8 especially). Forgettable music and themes all around.

I really had high hopes for him as the possible eventual successor to Williams.

 

[StevenBills]

Saw it last night night. Thought the movie was very entertaining but the score was a huge let down for me. So disappointing considering I love a lot of MG's other stuff (Super 8 especially). Forgettable music and themes all around.

I really had high hopes for him as the possible eventual successor to Williams.

I had similar thoughts until I went through the OST on Spotify. It grows on me with each listen.

SB

 

[Victor3]

I thought the music was ok. Some nice nods to the original imperial theme. The biggest letdown for me was the moment they showed the star destroyer coming out of the shadow of the Death Star . That moment should have had some major oomph.

 

[jcoffman99]

Is the absence of Geonosians or their role contrasted with Erso's dealt with on Caralyst or some other media?

Catalyst covers that a lot. Poggle returns to power, the Geonosians worked on the DS until they started fighting amongst themselves. Poggle took off.

 

[Treadwell]

Noticed on second viewing that the U-Wing has landing gear that folds up and disappears into an apparent dimensional TARDIS-like compartment within the WINGS.

 

[Toadmeister]

Noticed on second viewing that the U-Wing has landing gear that folds up and disappears into an apparent dimensional TARDIS-like compartment within the WINGS.

Dr. Who crossover? Sweet!

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[Bryancd]

Saw it last night night. Thought the movie was very entertaining but the score was a huge let down for me. So disappointing considering I love a lot of MG's other stuff (Super 8 especially). Forgettable music and themes all around.

I really had high hopes for him as the possible eventual successor to Williams.

The man had 4 weeks to score this film.

 

[squirk]

Possibly. I also thought maybe Tatooine was actually their destination all along. We do know that Bail had given them orders to go there and they definitely wouldn't tell Vader that. With Vader she would've made something up like going a mission to Alderan.

The timing of it all is a little strange...one reason I want to see it again, I may have missed something, but my impression was that they were either already on their way or about to leave for Tatooine when they got the call to divert to Scarif.

You are right. Tatooine was always part of the plan. There was some distraction in the theater when Bail made his references to both Obi-Wan and Leia. I need to see that scene again.

I pulled the text of Leia's message to Ben in ANH:

I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed.

But still - whether they jumped straight to Tatooine or first did a series of random jumps to throw off the trail, how did Vader find them so quick? Doesn't seem like even his Force powers could locate a ship like that.

Homing device? An Imperial mole on the Tantive IV? Spotted by Imperial orbital surveillance when they entered the Tatooine system?

The mole idea might make sense, maybe? One that was already keeping tabs on Leia as a potential rebel sympathizer. Or maybe, under that same logic, Leia's consular ship had been rigged with a homing device all along?

 

[astroboy]

You know what else I loved about the final Vader scene? It felt like a great bridge between Anakin from the prequels and clone wars into the OT.

That was the Vader we always heard about. The one who hunted down and killed all the jedi

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[AJTaliesen]

But still - whether they jumped straight to Tatooine or first did a series of random jumps to throw off the trail, how did Vader find them so quick? Doesn't seem like even his Force powers could locate a ship like that.

Homing device? An Imperial mole on the Tantive IV? Spotted by Imperial orbital surveillance when they entered the Tatooine system?

The mole idea might make sense, maybe? One that was already keeping tabs on Leia as a potential rebel sympathizer. Or maybe, under that same logic, Leia's consular ship had been rigged with a homing device all along?

All of those ideas work. A mole would even give room for another movie.

Part of me just wants to think of the spaceballs solution: