Ridley Scott Prometheus: NOT the Alien Prequel Details

Colin Droidmilk said:
But you're right - it's best to think of the whole thing as the jockey, but this is something Rid no longer wants us to do it seems.
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Correct. Parts that were bone-coloured in the first one are metallic/grey on this version. Eh, maybe they change once the suit closes up.

To my mind all this is likely a midichlorian level of deal-breaker, but I will give it a chance; if the story sells it well enough then so be it.

I can't tell you in terms strong enough how I don't want that geezer getting into that jockey-chair.
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That IS what you are going to be shown mate - you might as well start getting used to it now. :unsure

The sight of a normal bloke sitting in that chair would be an appalling thing, sheer iconoclasm. Only things that look like the occupant in the first movie are allowed to be in that chair, and they should be part of that chair. So there.
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I am not exactly arguing. :) It's not precisely a normal bloke; it's a creepy bald tall alien bloke with biomechanical skin or clothing, wearing a biomechanical suit and helmet...which I don't argue isn't still FAR too human and familiar-ish but it's the tone and presentation that I'm allowing for. If they do enough weird and disturbing ****, it could fly. As Carson put it, that's one of the eggs that Ridley and co. have had to break in order to serve us up this omelette...

Colin Droidmilk said:
Heh heh, you feel the same as me basically, except you're a nice man to Sir Ridley, whereas I'm a mean and nasty man to him (yet I've kept me gob shut this time about the sadly non-bio sub-Giger derelict, unlike you!), lol....
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Well, I suppose the BR Final Cut did something to restore a bit of faith. He still has taste and a great eye, even if he's not the same director he was in 1979. I'm keeping an open mind - I'm no less a passionate stickler for consistency in my nerdery than you are, you understand, but if the film is memorable then I'll forgive a lot of monkeying.
 
Nwerke said:
Correct.
To my mind all this is likely a midichlorian level of deal-breaker, but I will give it a chance; if the story sells it well enough then so be it.

That IS what you are going to be shown mate - you might as well start getting used to it now. :unsure
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I guess what I'm saying is... I'm seriously thinking of not going to see it now, because if I get used to the sight of a normal-type bloke getting in that chair, the original film will become ever harder to recover. The attractions for me in Prometheus so far are some of the eye candy and what appears to be the action/tension in the second half, but the Stargate re-tread/von Daniken bollocks* (my god, those hokey hieroglyphs), the Avatar tone we've noted in the powerpoint scene, the off-looking Giger aesthetic, the jockeys-are-suits stuff, the increasing likelihood of the film forcing us to view the original derelict and jockey from Alien as the ones in Prometheus, with the howlingly awful possibility of the '79 jockey actually being one of these blokes from the Prometheus, all this really has me considering walking away at this point....I wish it wasn't so. What I could do I suppose is arrive an hour late at the theatre, at least miss the setting up of the von Daniken stuff, then go to the bog whenever the jockey stuff comes on...dig the action and the big spaceship and then try and make my escape relatively unscathed...

*Is this really the best opening premise they could come up with? Ye gods...
 
Well, that's what I said about compartmentalising, months back. I didn't let the Newborn spoil the Big Chap, for example.

The text is more cuneiform than anything, but does look pretty banal.

I know, I know...von Daniken themes have been done to death, but always pretty crappily. Stargate was a kind of fun bit of fluff, but c'mon, it's a silly film. Cocoon has some of that stuff, and I never understood the love for that movie at all.
What else is there? God, Indy IV, yeah, yuck. Let's say for the sake of argument that this is THE von Daniken premise to end them all - that it's magnificent and epic and sweeping etc, and still manages to make sense and be harmonious both with A L I E N and Aliens and real-world biology and archaeology and history. Let's say that it puts every other piece of ancient-astronauts bollox right into the shade. Would you accept it then? Cos I would. Well, a man can dream.

Heh, I remember Harry Knowles saying "if you want to like Alien Resurrection, leave the cinema twenty-five minutes before the end". He was so correct.
 
Colin Droidmilk said:
We have jockey definition dispute here, do we? Lol...Well, by 'jock' I meant the big bony white thing with the head and arms and chest that has 'grown out of' the chair in the first film. But you're right - it's best to think of the whole thing as the jockey, but this is something Rid no longer wants us to do it seems.

I can't tell you in terms strong enough how I don't want that geezer getting into that jockey-chair. The sight of a normal bloke sitting in that chair would be an appalling thing, sheer iconoclasm. Only things that look like the occupant in the first movie are allowed to be in that chair, and they should be part of that chair. So there.
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*NO SPOILERS - JUST A THEORY*

I have a feeling that the Jockey will still be there, and that the "old geezer" is Michael Fassbender after he gets transformed by the organism that is on the ship (Just like the former Jockey species did)

I also speculate that the alien organism lays dormant inside those cylinder objects and attaches itself to the host - then comes up with (designs) it's next evolutionary 'shell' - BAM incomes the whole panspermia theory of life creation and human existence - just in time for it's host shell to decay, requiring it to go dormant again until it's next creation wakes it up.. which explains how the jockey would appear to be fossilized as mentioned in the first film - or something along those lines :]

We'll see, looks like a fun ride!
 
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AxiomUltra said:
*NO SPOILERS - JUST A THEORY*

I have a feeling that the Jockey will still be there, and that the "old geezer" is Michael Fassbender after he gets transformed by the organism that is on the ship (Just like the former Jockey species did)

I also speculate that the alien organism lays dormant inside those cylinder objects and attaches itself to the host - then comes up with (designs) it's next evolutionary 'shell' - BAM incomes the whole panspermia theory of life creation and human existence - just in time for it's host shell to decay, requiring it to go dormant again until it's next creation wakes it up.. which explains how the jockey would appear to be fossilized as mentioned in the first film - or something along those lines :]

We'll see, looks like a fun ride!
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Very interesting theory !!! The weird thing is that it reminds me of the bande dessinée (french comics) hit series INCAL by Moebius & Jodorowsky...

:eek

Fred
 
I checked out the Q&A with Ridley and his answer to why the look of Prometheus was much cleaner and more design oriented was simply just a stylistic choice.

His response was basically that "grunge" has been done to death and he's pretty much paved the way for that style with Blade Runner and Alien, so he wanted something different for this film.

Personally it doesn't really bother me that it is cleaner looking than Alien or that the Giger stuff doesn't match the stuff from the original. It's thirty years later. I think the look of this film fits in well with today's aesthetic. All artists style changes as time goes on. They go through different periods.

I'm not going to sweat the differences. I'll enjoy it just for what it is.
A movie that has elements that are reminiscent of an earlier work.
 
crabra comander said:
I saw an Alien in there.
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Oh yeah, I got one of those. :)

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Prediction time


2 creatures (new Alien's) formed from crew or other go at it and create the Alien that would exist pre the first hugger play time with Kane. So it wont be the same as what Kane had the miss fortune of giving birth to.

The sexy thing going up the SJ's arm isn't an alien creature but a connection tube to the Biomechanics of the ship. If you look at the area around where the Sj's stood in one of the screen caps there are lots of little testicle (or egg) shaped things on the floor. I bet these morph into connecters to the SJ's body or suit !!!!!!!
 
Guy Cowen said:
Prediction time


2 creatures (new Alien's) formed from crew or other go at it and create the Alien that would exist pre the first hugger play time with Kane. So it wont be the same as what Kane had the miss fortune of giving birth to.
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Just to continue to nerd out on this thought, but how would that jibe with the idea that the ALIEN when born via a chest burst resembles the creature in which it gestated?
 
Anything can happen its a movie! Its a bit which came first the Alien or the egg? Which is a product of the other? Bare in mind that anything post Alien movie wise may not be canon as far as Ridley is concerned. With genetics and the creation of a new life form anything can happen and most likely will?

Just a thought, maybe the for father/mother of the Alien as we know it (hugger or Xeno) is the DNA connection in Prometheus, basically I think that maybe Alien (xeno) is the results of something that happens in this movie but I doubt we'll see it in its final form.
 
Hey guys, I figured out how fun it is to compare the new trailer to the ALIEN trailer.

Alien Trailer (1979) - YouTube

LOTS of similarities (including that kickass siren sound I mentioned earlier). Looks like maybe Mr. Scott and co. have their eyes on the original after all.
 
alienscollection.com said:
Spoilery speculation on the imagery seen so far:

Gavin Rothery - Directing - Concept - VFX - Gavin Rothery Blog - Some Thoughts On*Prometheus
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Wow. It's like he's going purely from the stills, and hasn't watched the trailer.

In parts, I mean. There's some fun speculation in there, but he's unaware that the shot of the three ships in the sky shows an escape pod in the foreground, and thinks it's the massive flying saucer ship. He thinks the Prometheus is taking "engine damage", when it's being rammed into the Derelict. He thinks the flying saucer is the ship which does that. He thinks the Derelict's silo is in the pyramid, somehow.

Dude...watch the trailer, THEN go through the screencap galleries!

Of course, all my ideas are going to prove hilariously wrong also, so, um... :lol
 
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