Re: My Projects - T2 Endoarm

[Jamster]

Well I've been a member here for a while now but not made a post so thought I would do so.
so........ Hello all!!

I have several projects on the go (im sure a lotta ppl here can say the same!!) but heres a few of them.

First off a Red Grant garotte watch from "From Russia With Love"
I took the innards out of a cheap watch and made a new case big enough to incorporate a brass reel with retractable spring. Its made in the style of a trench watch, as was the original from what Ive read and the few screenshots that you can get from the film. The watch works and can be adjusted using the winder. Still a few things to finsih off on it but mostly done.
Here it is pictured next to a co2 shark gun gas canister from Live and Let Die

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And a vid of it working YouTube - ‪garotte watch‬‏

Im also working on an all aluminium endoarm, and some other terminator related stuff. The arm will be fully posable.

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And a couple of vids

YouTube - ‪endo finger test 1‬‏

YouTube - ‪Endo eye test 3‬‏

Sorry about the poor quality of some of the pics.

Cheers

Jamie

 

[masterjedi322]

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Welcome aboard, Jamie! Nice projects you have going on. With regard to the Endo arm, are you machining the parts yourself? I would imagine that's a tough project to tackle. Looking forward to seeing more pics!

Sean

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

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Jamster,

Nice watch. Very cool that you machined the case. Are you a machinist? If so do you accept commissions? The case thickness is about right. Most of the Red Grant watch replicas are too thin. Kudos too on the wire lugs. Most people get that detail wrong. There are a few things that I might change if it were built for me being a watch nut, nevertheless it's superlative work. Kudos to you. Great that you posted Bond stuff too, it makes the morning coffee go down so well.

GB

 

[Jamster]

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Hey thanks!
Sean - Yep im machining all the parts cept for the screws and dubro rod ends.

GB - No im not a machinist. I previously (half) made an mdf endoskeleton (pic below) and bought the lathe with the intention of making all the pistons etc on that and kinda went on from there. I wanted to have a working watch incorporated in the garotte watch so would have to be thicker than normal. I made the thing as thin as I could. The dimensions of it are 34mm diameter x 12.5mm deep, but the reel is stepped to allow me to taper the back of the watch which houses half the reel making the watch 10.5mm thick at the sides. I dunno about commissions, but plan to make some stuff to sell at some point in the future. I have a couple of versions of the watch on the go at the same time in case I mess up a particular piece ive got another to fall back on. What changes would you make?

Cheers

Jamie

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[GBOOTHROYD]

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Hey thanks!
Sean - Yep im machining all the parts cept for the screws and dubro rod ends.

GB - No im not a machinist. I previously (half) made an mdf endoskeleton (pic below) and bought the lathe with the intention of making all the pistons etc on that and kinda went on from there. I wanted to have a working watch incorporated in the garotte watch so would have to be thicker than normal. I made the thing as thin as I could. The dimensions of it are 34mm diameter x 12.5mm deep, but the reel is stepped to allow me to taper the back of the watch which houses half the reel making the watch 10.5mm thick at the sides. I dunno about commissions, but plan to make some stuff to sell at some point in the future. I have a couple of versions of the watch on the go at the same time in case I mess up a particular piece ive got another to fall back on. What changes would you make?

Cheers

Jamie

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Well the bezel should be stepped (one curve and then another curve). Also, I think the dial should have a sub-dial at the 6 O'clock. This was discovered by close up scans of the watch by someone other than myself. Furthermore, the strap is, I believe, pigskin with no taper. You've used a non tapered stap which is good, but it's a NATO type G10 leather strap. Apart from that, to be 100% accurate, it would have to be a mechanical hand wind movement because quartz watches were not available to any great degree in 1963. Nevertheless I still think you've done a very good job which is why I'm interested.

GB

 

[Jamster]

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Just a few things then?? No youre right. The best pic of the watch I saw almost looked like a rounded bottom section (the bit the prop dept built maybe) with a watch kinda slotted into it. This was how one of the sideline watches I started was gonna turn out. Youre right on the strap too. I considered using a trench watch style strap, but from the pics I couldnt see the leather underpart, plus I quite liked the look of this strap. I would have liked to used a wind up watch, but dont think id be able to get that into a package small enough along with everything else. I did have reservations about using something with "constant quartz" written on it, but just bought the cheapest watch I could find as I was gonna be taking it apart. Couldv been worse, couldv been casio!! I thought about trying to get an old watch face and transferring the mechanism to that.
Thanks for the comments, and Id appreciate a look at these pics you mentioned. Also the consensus is that the watch was last seen in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but I dont think that was the same watch at all as it had a normal style strap. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

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Just a few things then?? No youre right. The best pic of the watch I saw almost looked like a rounded bottom section (the bit the prop dept built maybe) with a watch kinda slotted into it. This was how one of the sideline watches I started was gonna turn out. Youre right on the strap too. I considered using a trench watch style strap, but from the pics I couldnt see the leather underpart, plus I quite liked the look of this strap. I would have liked to used a wind up watch, but dont think id be able to get that into a package small enough along with everything else. I did have reservations about using something with "constant quartz" written on it, but just bought the cheapest watch I could find as I was gonna be taking it apart. Couldv been worse, couldv been casio!! I thought about trying to get an old watch face and transferring the mechanism to that.
Thanks for the comments, and Id appreciate a look at these pics you mentioned. Also the consensus is that the watch was last seen in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but I dont think that was the same watch at all as it had a normal style strap. What are your thoughts on this?

Well I suspect they did use the same watch in 1969's OHMSS (made in 1968) however I have no proof of this. The other props Bond pulls out of the desk look original. In fact if you look closely you'll see two versions of the T'Ball re-breather in the desk. There seems to have been two versions of the re-breather, one for location and one for studio based on close-ups. As for a small mechanical movement, a ladies watch movement would work. However, the original prop watch was very thick which would account for a regular mechanical movement and the reel. And I think you're right that it may have been two watches or case parts slotted together. But again, the strap is a small thing and so is the dial which can be printed. I even think, given your obvious talent, you can get a mechanichal movement in with perhaps a slight increase in case thickness. Anyhow you slice it, color me interested.

GB

 

[Replicator1701]

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That is sooooo cool !

Can you post some more on how the eye works?

 

[Jamster]

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Replicator1701 - The eye is just an aluminium ball turned on the lathe with a 12mm hole drilled through it. There is a 12mm tube inside and inside that there is another tube which is slightly less than 10mm to allow it to turn. Inside this tube is an 8mm led. Glued to the front of the innermost tube is the iris which is locked into the eyeball. When the inner tube turns it operates the iris.

GB - Well the spring im using is 4mm wide, with that the reel housing needs to be 4.5mm capped one side and .5mm bottom cap, with a bit for movement looking at 5.5-6mm minimum for the base, so whatever thickness the watch mechanism, space for hands and glass is on top of that. Point me in the direction of the kind of watch that your thinking of and ill look into it. Ive had another look at the screenshots, I dont see the separate dial at the 6 that you mentioned, though they arent clear.

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

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Replicator1701 - The eye is just an aluminium ball turned on the lathe with a 12mm hole drilled through it. There is a 12mm tube inside and inside that there is another tube which is slightly less than 10mm to allow it to turn. Inside this tube is an 8mm led. Glued to the front of the innermost tube is the iris which is locked into the eyeball. When the inner tube turns it operates the iris.

GB - Well the spring im using is 4mm wide, with that the reel housing needs to be 4.5mm capped one side and .5mm bottom cap, with a bit for movement looking at 5.5-6mm minimum for the base, so whatever thickness the watch mechanism, space for hands and glass is on top of that. Point me in the direction of the kind of watch that your thinking of and ill look into it. Ive had another look at the screenshots, I dont see the separate dial at the 6 that you mentioned, though they arent clear.

Yeah, I know, I didn't believe it either about the sub-dial when it was first brought to my attention. An aquauintance of mine through Ed-209 brought it to my attention. He's a marvelous prop builder and modeller. You see there is a smudge above the six O'clock consitant with a small hand. Also, there is no six. Furthermore, it's entirely consistant with WWI trench watches. Some WWII era field watches also have this sub-dial. I do have the picture in my e-mail somwhere, but I'm hoping Ed-209 will chime in and provide the picture. As for the movement, I do have a particular watch in mind, but only as a one off.

GB

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

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Here is a picture of the Red Grant watch from the Orient Express provided by Ed-209:

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As you can see, there is no six. There is a smudge above where the six should be. Originally I had an even better close-up provided by Ed-209, but I can't find it.

Edit: Also notice there is no running seconds hand wich also supports the sub-seconds dial at six O'clock.

 

[Jamster]

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Thanks for the pic. I saw that as part of a larger pic when I was searching the net for some info on the watch. Im assumining that the dark spot youre referring to is in the foreground next to the minute hand. You can also make out the 12,1,2,3 numbers on the face. Looks like the watch is upside down!! maybe it was originally designed for use on the right arm, or maybe it was the prop guys having a joke???
Ive had a look round for some vintage watches to use, with a wind up mechanism as per your suggestion. Id also like to make the body from stainless steel as opposed to ali, more durable and less likely to scratch. Also the lugs look a lot thicker, id be guessing 1/8 thick as when it was made they would have been using imperial. The watch I did was made from some scraps I had lying around, the lugs on that are 2mm thick, which keeps in line with the rest of the watch I think.

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

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Yep, I had a discussion with Ed-209 about the way the watch face seems to jump about from one scene to another (related to the time on the watch face) . The conclusion was that the upper part of the watch probably rotates. The lower case being made by the prop department containing the reel and the upper case being the actual watch.

GB

 

[Jamster]

talk about reviving an old topic...... I shelved this for a while whilst I worked out how to do some of the more difficult parts, and got a bit more skilled but back on it now. Made a lot of headway recently so thought id make a post. Hope to have the knuckles done over the weekend and get a full dry fit soon.

Few update pics.

 

[SiR-ROUND]

Oh, I thought this was a Bond watch topic...

Nice shiny endo parts!

 

[Jamster]

I changed the title!!

 

[Jamster]

Ive attached the knuckles to the pivot bars, though not permanently (glue) as I wannaremove them when I come to clean the thing up for ease. Did another test fit to see how everything is looking. Quuite pleased with it so far. Have to order some ali bar for some other bits, but may start work on the hand pistons in the meantime.

 

[Hammerdon]

Looks great. I've been making the pistons for mine.
They're alot of fun. I've just been taking it a step
at a time and treating each part as its own project.
Eventually you'll be done. Keep up the good work.

Don

 

[Jamster]

Yep each part is a project in itself!! Just had a look at your topi, we seem to be roughly at the same stage. How do you plan on making the forearm shroud and elbow?

 

[Hammerdon]

I have no friggin idea:lol. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I
get there. Right now I count 75 parts that I've made for this
and thats just the tip of the iceberg. It is fun to show it to
people though. I live in Colorado and I don't think one person
here has seen the Terminator they act like they dont know what
I'm talking about. I think I'm the only person in the State that
knows what a movie prop is.

Don