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imaginager
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I don't know any QMx employees personally, though I've traded with a few in their capacity as "RPF members". Each one has always come through, flawlessly.
SD Studios
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Can everyone just please stop?
This "tit for tat" is just foolish.
I have read and understand the feedback and will take all of the comments into consideration. Thanks for the comments all around. Every point is valid.
The passion that we put into our products, also sometimes spills over into being very defensive about those products. We love the subject matter and when you "call someone's baby ugly" they tend to take umbrage. Please consider that when you post comments. That is all I am asking.
I think we are were a bit disheartened by the " I can say ANYTHING I want about your company and get away with it, but YOU can't respond with any kind of negative reaction, because you are professionals and the customer is always right."
Upon some additional reflection, I believe that that is actually true. It is very difficult when you put your life (and money) into something and a few people sit on the sidelines with a shotgun yelling "PULL."
This shouldn't mean that any company can be fair game for unwarranted attacks.
Unfortunately, it DOES mean that. And it WILL happen and we will just have to deal with it. So moving onward...
We have answered what we can answer at this time. As more product and pre-ordering information is available, we will send it to everyone on our mailing list. If you want to be "in the know" please register for updates on the QMx website and we will send them to you via e-mail. We can't keep answering questions here in an endless loop. The blueprint sets should be available for ordering on the website by the end of the month and should be in stock at that time. An e-mail will be sent about that as well.
We posted some info as a courtesy to our fellow RPFers. As I noted earlier, we don't plan to use prop boards as "information clearing houses." .
That is what our website is for.
Thanks. I am done with this thread.
This "tit for tat" is just foolish.
I have read and understand the feedback and will take all of the comments into consideration. Thanks for the comments all around. Every point is valid.
The passion that we put into our products, also sometimes spills over into being very defensive about those products. We love the subject matter and when you "call someone's baby ugly" they tend to take umbrage. Please consider that when you post comments. That is all I am asking.
I think we are were a bit disheartened by the " I can say ANYTHING I want about your company and get away with it, but YOU can't respond with any kind of negative reaction, because you are professionals and the customer is always right."
Upon some additional reflection, I believe that that is actually true. It is very difficult when you put your life (and money) into something and a few people sit on the sidelines with a shotgun yelling "PULL."
This shouldn't mean that any company can be fair game for unwarranted attacks.
Unfortunately, it DOES mean that. And it WILL happen and we will just have to deal with it. So moving onward...
We have answered what we can answer at this time. As more product and pre-ordering information is available, we will send it to everyone on our mailing list. If you want to be "in the know" please register for updates on the QMx website and we will send them to you via e-mail. We can't keep answering questions here in an endless loop. The blueprint sets should be available for ordering on the website by the end of the month and should be in stock at that time. An e-mail will be sent about that as well.
We posted some info as a courtesy to our fellow RPFers. As I noted earlier, we don't plan to use prop boards as "information clearing houses." .
That is what our website is for.
Thanks. I am done with this thread.
The problem is that the customer isn't always right. Apple proves that day in and day out. Hollywood (the land of focus groups) proves it in a completely opposite way. I'd much rather have an honest bit of information out of a company than simply parroting the company line.
I don't know anybody there personally, but I did talk with Steve at the C3 party, and I was impressed by how much he seemed to want to just focus on building props, ands how blunt he was about some of the things that were going on with some of their products. I hope QMx becomes the way he's able to focus on doing those things. Certainly the fact they're doing Serenity stuff (and classic Horror) says they're trying to do cool props, not mass sellers.
It was the first product. It went better than most of the 'other company' launches of late. The first "real" piece is coming out in a few weeks, right? Let's see how that goes, instead of pissing all over the threads, because that's what it seems to be, a pissing contest. Did anybody have any complaints about the actual MONEY? The thing they paid for? I don't remember any negative reaction to any of that. If people are so attracted to the GORRAM maps, why not lobby them to make a translucent map so you can do it up all movie-style? Or get us some of those pretty translucent screens that I see on ebay all the time? Or a pack of all of that? The map -was a freebie-.
I know they got the Serenity guns built, and weren't happy with them, and now they're eating the cost of 'upgrading' what they had so that we'd be happier with the end result. That's not the same thing as spending two years trying to fix bad paint jobs and poorly laid fiberglass.
Logically, you either want them to be all business and run it like a business, or you want them to be a fan-thing and run it like fans. Can't be a double standard. It strikes me that starting this business and being RPF members is like doing business with your friends - it's hard to put your brain into censored mode. I, for one, would prefer that the QMx team stay in RPF mode, not business mode, but I guess I'm mostly alone in that respect. Too many of the people who do great work on the RPF aren't 'active' in the discussions any more. That's too damn bad.
I don't know anybody there personally, but I did talk with Steve at the C3 party, and I was impressed by how much he seemed to want to just focus on building props, ands how blunt he was about some of the things that were going on with some of their products. I hope QMx becomes the way he's able to focus on doing those things. Certainly the fact they're doing Serenity stuff (and classic Horror) says they're trying to do cool props, not mass sellers.
It was the first product. It went better than most of the 'other company' launches of late. The first "real" piece is coming out in a few weeks, right? Let's see how that goes, instead of pissing all over the threads, because that's what it seems to be, a pissing contest. Did anybody have any complaints about the actual MONEY? The thing they paid for? I don't remember any negative reaction to any of that. If people are so attracted to the GORRAM maps, why not lobby them to make a translucent map so you can do it up all movie-style? Or get us some of those pretty translucent screens that I see on ebay all the time? Or a pack of all of that? The map -was a freebie-.
I know they got the Serenity guns built, and weren't happy with them, and now they're eating the cost of 'upgrading' what they had so that we'd be happier with the end result. That's not the same thing as spending two years trying to fix bad paint jobs and poorly laid fiberglass.
Logically, you either want them to be all business and run it like a business, or you want them to be a fan-thing and run it like fans. Can't be a double standard. It strikes me that starting this business and being RPF members is like doing business with your friends - it's hard to put your brain into censored mode. I, for one, would prefer that the QMx team stay in RPF mode, not business mode, but I guess I'm mostly alone in that respect. Too many of the people who do great work on the RPF aren't 'active' in the discussions any more. That's too damn bad.
This comment might be too late as it seems Steve is not going to be looking at this thread anymore, but I will say it anyway in case he does.
It's not a bash QMx comment, just a comment on the price of the Serenity model...why can't a model be made that is less fancy (no lights and such) for a more affordable price? To me, as I suspect is the same for many others, $500 is WAY out of our spending range. It's cool that the fancy one will be available, but at $500 it's more of an "elite" only type of prop in my opinion.
It's not a bash QMx comment, just a comment on the price of the Serenity model...why can't a model be made that is less fancy (no lights and such) for a more affordable price? To me, as I suspect is the same for many others, $500 is WAY out of our spending range. It's cool that the fancy one will be available, but at $500 it's more of an "elite" only type of prop in my opinion.
IronFist
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dr_slurpee @ Jan 10 2007, 11:30 AM) [snapback]1394571[/snapback]</div>
I think you might've missed something Steve said:
I think he's saying that the basic, "less fancy" version is the one that's $500 and that is the affordable price. If they can find a way to incorporate lights and bells and whistles for no extra cost (or a minimal increase), they will. But $500 is the bare bones price already.
This comment might be too late as it seems Steve is not going to be looking at this thread anymore, but I will say it anyway in case he does.
It's not a bash QMx comment, just a comment on the price of the Serenity model...why can't a model be made that is less fancy (no lights and such) for a more affordable price? To me, as I suspect is the same for many others, $500 is WAY out of our spending range. It's cool that the fancy one will be available, but at $500 it's more of an "elite" only type of prop in my opinion.
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I think you might've missed something Steve said:
I think he's saying that the basic, "less fancy" version is the one that's $500 and that is the affordable price. If they can find a way to incorporate lights and bells and whistles for no extra cost (or a minimal increase), they will. But $500 is the bare bones price already.
Well in that case I guess I will never own one. I reiterate my comment...why can't a nice model be done for less? Something in between the tiny $17 ornament and the way out or my price range big one.
gjustis
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tripoli @ Jan 10 2007, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1394462[/snapback]</div>
Don't be disheartened, guys.....if someone wants to attack in an unneccessary or overblown manner, I say screw 'em. I've never done business with your company, but based on your attitude here, I will certainly be doing so in the near future.
Besides...the Serenity looks fantastic. Can't wait.
Here here....excellent post.
Don't be disheartened, guys.....if someone wants to attack in an unneccessary or overblown manner, I say screw 'em. I've never done business with your company, but based on your attitude here, I will certainly be doing so in the near future.
Besides...the Serenity looks fantastic. Can't wait.
rad1701
Sr Member
Great post tripoli as always. I just don't get the bashing sometimes. Just don't buy their stuff people if you don't like it. Simple. No need to clutter up this thread. I for one am glad to see another Prop/Replica maker out there doing this stuff. Looks like some exciting products.
Gigatron
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dr_slurpee @ Jan 10 2007, 05:37 PM) [snapback]1394611[/snapback]</div>
I understand where you're coming from, as I'm about as dirt poor as they come. But I really like the design of Serentiy and am serously considering ordering one. Here's how I look at it, it's $500 that I have until the fall to save up. Plus QMX offers a payment plan, so I won't even have to lay out the full amount at once. Figure you have 8 or 9 months (who knows, maybe 10) to save up the money before the orders are ready. Let's say conservatively, 8 months. That's about 34 weeks. That works out to less than $15 per week you have to put away. If you just take $15 a week and stick it in an envelope, by the time the models are ready to ship, you'll have the cash and then some.
Just a diffrent way of looking at it. I wish MR had a flex pay system, then some of those nifty SS toys would be way more appealing to me as well.
-Fred
I understand where you're coming from, as I'm about as dirt poor as they come. But I really like the design of Serentiy and am serously considering ordering one. Here's how I look at it, it's $500 that I have until the fall to save up. Plus QMX offers a payment plan, so I won't even have to lay out the full amount at once. Figure you have 8 or 9 months (who knows, maybe 10) to save up the money before the orders are ready. Let's say conservatively, 8 months. That's about 34 weeks. That works out to less than $15 per week you have to put away. If you just take $15 a week and stick it in an envelope, by the time the models are ready to ship, you'll have the cash and then some.
Just a diffrent way of looking at it. I wish MR had a flex pay system, then some of those nifty SS toys would be way more appealing to me as well.
-Fred
tgreco
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dr_slurpee @ Jan 10 2007, 10:30 AM) [snapback]1394571[/snapback]</div>
Actually I was bowled over by the $500 price tag. I can't believe a 20" model is that inexpensive. Dude, if you think $500 is an elite type prop, go to a model shop and take a look at what a model that size costs off the shelf, and then figure in paint, primer, putty etc... $500 is a steal
as for lights and sound.... I'll pass. Don't make any sense to me to spend more money on something that will be turned on once every other year, and I'd rather avoid the issue of batteries potentially leaking, or having to display it near an outlet, etc...
Darthgoat apparently has decided that he is the official "blah, blah, blaher" of all things Qmx... I look forward to every post by Qmx being followed by a blah blah blah in the near future...
for the Qmx guys, I think your seeing the double standard of being in business.... you did the map, there were those that were unsatisfied, you attempted to rectify, and rather then "OOOO $5.00 for an unfolded map" you got "hey, this is supposed to be exclusive" which begs the question to the collectors, are you buying these as an investment, with all concern toward what you hope you'll be able to get from the collector that buys it from you, or did you buy these to enjoy, in which case, the offer of the unfolded map was more then generous....
It's not a bash QMx comment, just a comment on the price of the Serenity model...why can't a model be made that is less fancy (no lights and such) for a more affordable price? To me, as I suspect is the same for many others, $500 is WAY out of our spending range. It's cool that the fancy one will be available, but at $500 it's more of an "elite" only type of prop in my opinion.
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Actually I was bowled over by the $500 price tag. I can't believe a 20" model is that inexpensive. Dude, if you think $500 is an elite type prop, go to a model shop and take a look at what a model that size costs off the shelf, and then figure in paint, primer, putty etc... $500 is a steal
as for lights and sound.... I'll pass. Don't make any sense to me to spend more money on something that will be turned on once every other year, and I'd rather avoid the issue of batteries potentially leaking, or having to display it near an outlet, etc...
Darthgoat apparently has decided that he is the official "blah, blah, blaher" of all things Qmx... I look forward to every post by Qmx being followed by a blah blah blah in the near future...
for the Qmx guys, I think your seeing the double standard of being in business.... you did the map, there were those that were unsatisfied, you attempted to rectify, and rather then "OOOO $5.00 for an unfolded map" you got "hey, this is supposed to be exclusive" which begs the question to the collectors, are you buying these as an investment, with all concern toward what you hope you'll be able to get from the collector that buys it from you, or did you buy these to enjoy, in which case, the offer of the unfolded map was more then generous....
Robot Monster
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IronFist @ Jan 10 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1394443[/snapback]</div>
Same here, come on guys toss us a cookie on the Martian War Machine. I want to know.
Same here, come on guys toss us a cookie on the Martian War Machine. I want to know.
IronFist
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yodasan @ Jan 10 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]1394676[/snapback]</div>
Heck how about a real heat ray option? :lol
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Well, I'm pretty sure that I won't be able to afford one as-is, but I know that including an anti-personnel weapon would probably break my budget completey.
(Not to say I wouldn't be interested if they did include it. )
Heck how about a real heat ray option? :lol
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Well, I'm pretty sure that I won't be able to afford one as-is, but I know that including an anti-personnel weapon would probably break my budget completey.
(Not to say I wouldn't be interested if they did include it.
)BigDumbWookiee
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tgreco @ Jan 10 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]1394668[/snapback]</div>
Actually I was bowled over by the $500 price tag. I can't believe a 20" model is that inexpensive. Dude, if you think $500 is an elite type prop, go to a model shop and take a look at what a model that size costs off the shelf, and then figure in paint, primer, putty etc... $500 is a steal
as for lights and sound.... I'll pass. Don't make any sense to me to spend more money on something that will be turned on once every other year, and I'd rather avoid the issue of batteries potentially leaking, or having to display it near an outlet, etc...
Darthgoat apparently has decided that he is the official "blah, blah, blaher" of all things Qmx... I look forward to every post by Qmx being followed by a blah blah blah in the near future...
for the Qmx guys, I think your seeing the double standard of being in business.... you did the map, there were those that were unsatisfied, you attempted to rectify, and rather then "OOOO $5.00 for an unfolded map" you got "hey, this is supposed to be exclusive" which begs the question to the collectors, are you buying these as an investment, with all concern toward what you hope you'll be able to get from the collector that buys it from you, or did you buy these to enjoy, in which case, the offer of the unfolded map was more then generous....
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That's how I felt. Im getting ready to buy a Falcon, and this badboy seems like a bargain compartively. Granted, it's not cheap, but for something of that scale, the cost is phenomenal, and a HUGE selling point to me. Hopefully the final piece can stick really close to that, if it doesn't stay on the money. Oh yes, pun most definitely intended. :lol
It's not a bash QMx comment, just a comment on the price of the Serenity model...why can't a model be made that is less fancy (no lights and such) for a more affordable price? To me, as I suspect is the same for many others, $500 is WAY out of our spending range. It's cool that the fancy one will be available, but at $500 it's more of an "elite" only type of prop in my opinion.
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Actually I was bowled over by the $500 price tag. I can't believe a 20" model is that inexpensive. Dude, if you think $500 is an elite type prop, go to a model shop and take a look at what a model that size costs off the shelf, and then figure in paint, primer, putty etc... $500 is a steal
as for lights and sound.... I'll pass. Don't make any sense to me to spend more money on something that will be turned on once every other year, and I'd rather avoid the issue of batteries potentially leaking, or having to display it near an outlet, etc...
Darthgoat apparently has decided that he is the official "blah, blah, blaher" of all things Qmx... I look forward to every post by Qmx being followed by a blah blah blah in the near future...
for the Qmx guys, I think your seeing the double standard of being in business.... you did the map, there were those that were unsatisfied, you attempted to rectify, and rather then "OOOO $5.00 for an unfolded map" you got "hey, this is supposed to be exclusive" which begs the question to the collectors, are you buying these as an investment, with all concern toward what you hope you'll be able to get from the collector that buys it from you, or did you buy these to enjoy, in which case, the offer of the unfolded map was more then generous....
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That's how I felt. Im getting ready to buy a Falcon, and this badboy seems like a bargain compartively. Granted, it's not cheap, but for something of that scale, the cost is phenomenal, and a HUGE selling point to me. Hopefully the final piece can stick really close to that, if it doesn't stay on the money. Oh yes, pun most definitely intended. :lol
Jedirick
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darthgoat @ Jan 10 2007, 11:08 AM) [snapback]1394552[/snapback]</div>
What part of Treadwell's moderating post from yesterday did you not understand?
Feedback is welcome, positive or negative.
Your opinion of this vendor has been made very obvious. You do not intend to spend a dime with them so if you must bait, cut your 2 cent bait at a forum other than the RPF.
If their posts annoy you to extent that you can't refrain from posting a comment then it would be in your best interest to use the Ignore feature found in "My Controls" and place QMX on ignore.
What part of Treadwell's moderating post from yesterday did you not understand?
Feedback is welcome, positive or negative.
Your opinion of this vendor has been made very obvious. You do not intend to spend a dime with them so if you must bait, cut your 2 cent bait at a forum other than the RPF.
If their posts annoy you to extent that you can't refrain from posting a comment then it would be in your best interest to use the Ignore feature found in "My Controls" and place QMX on ignore.
outlander
Sr Member
Steve:
A brief refresher:
You cannot please everybody at the same time.
Here at the RPF, some of those individuals whom you were not able to make completely happy will resent you for failing to do so. They will utilize the anonymous nature of the web to "cowboy up" and express their displeasure at the personal affront you have unintentionally committed; usually with such scintillating wit as evidenced in this post: "Blah blah...poor me. Whatever dude."
The time, energy and razor sharp repartee of a 30 year old with over 5,000 posts and free rent in his Mom's basement cannot be answered. The satisfaction of such an individual cannot be attained. Unhappiness and the catharsis experienced by venting poisonous spleen is where such an individual finds his joy within the collecting hobby.
I know that you are a long time maker, collector and hobbyist. I know that the urge to communicate with and seek understanding from those who share the same loves, i.e.: RPF peers, can be strong.
Please stop wasting QMX time trying to please the unappeasable, satisfy those with inflated senses of entitlement and communicate with anal-retentive whiners who could do it faster, better and cheaper than QMx any time they felt like putting down their X-Box 360 controller and getting a life..
If there is truth in the axiom "Living well is the best revenge." then you should be spending your time making the best props available and stop wasting your energy trying to satisfy what in certain cases are no more than unsociable malcontents.
You know, retards.
Isn't that right, Darth Goat? Party on Dude. I bet the chicks can't resist that "chugging beer in a Fett helmet" gig, can they?
Best Regards,
JAS
A brief refresher:
You cannot please everybody at the same time.
Here at the RPF, some of those individuals whom you were not able to make completely happy will resent you for failing to do so. They will utilize the anonymous nature of the web to "cowboy up" and express their displeasure at the personal affront you have unintentionally committed; usually with such scintillating wit as evidenced in this post: "Blah blah...poor me. Whatever dude."
The time, energy and razor sharp repartee of a 30 year old with over 5,000 posts and free rent in his Mom's basement cannot be answered. The satisfaction of such an individual cannot be attained. Unhappiness and the catharsis experienced by venting poisonous spleen is where such an individual finds his joy within the collecting hobby.
I know that you are a long time maker, collector and hobbyist. I know that the urge to communicate with and seek understanding from those who share the same loves, i.e.: RPF peers, can be strong.
Please stop wasting QMX time trying to please the unappeasable, satisfy those with inflated senses of entitlement and communicate with anal-retentive whiners who could do it faster, better and cheaper than QMx any time they felt like putting down their X-Box 360 controller and getting a life..
If there is truth in the axiom "Living well is the best revenge." then you should be spending your time making the best props available and stop wasting your energy trying to satisfy what in certain cases are no more than unsociable malcontents.
You know, retards.
Isn't that right, Darth Goat? Party on Dude. I bet the chicks can't resist that "chugging beer in a Fett helmet" gig, can they?
Best Regards,
JAS
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