Prometheus (Post-release)

I have to agree with Jedi2016, it can be judged as neither a complete success nor failure (mostly depending on the expectations of the viewer) but it still has a significant number of glaringly unexplained faults which are provoking all the discussions.
The interest in the thread did significantly tail off until the arrival of the DVD and its all the extensive background information that has reignited the talking points. Its interesting to note that nothing in all that info has really significantly explained the editing decisions taken with the film, though many mysteries concern the scripting, character dialogue and behaviors, and the whys and wherefores of the deleted or alternate scenes have been.
I've got to say I feel about done with Prometheus now. I was pretty disappointed when I saw it for the first and only time at the cinema but subsequent reviewing on DVD has changed my opinion of it, helped by many of the arguments and explanations put forward on this thread. I don't agree with many of them but the quality of discussion has been very good and very interesting, and its been a revelation just how certain snippets of information,the dialogue and the scenes that are meant to impart the narrative strengths of the story played out so differently with every persons perceptions.
I hope FOX and SRS appoint a writer(s) for the sequels soon and I pray they make a very good job of it, or they will face an absolute disaster if they fail to meet audience expectations with the next. I guess it will be a bit of a poisoned chalice for anyone to do,given the vitriol Damon L received and I would recommend they get at least a couple of people working together on it to share the blame next time.
There are plenty of ideas to play with. With all those solar systems displayed in the pilots Orrery there were obviously dozens of other planets, presumably with other life forms the engineers created over the millions of years , and no reason to think if they could produced human beings on Earth, they didn't manage the same on an other world, or a slightly different intelligent species. And that doesn't include the "Paradise" of the Engineers origin I guess. But they will be faced by some pretty big ideas and they need to be really well thought out. Lets hope they don't drop the basket and smash all of those eggs,
I hope the film they produce will generate as much discussion as has taken place here.Its been alot of good ,thoughtful and occasionally challenging fun. But its time to move on.
 
While watching Prometheus last night, it occurred to me that I don't think I like it because I really want it to be an Alien prequel and unfortunately that's not what this movie is about.

Yes, there are nods to the original, but the subject focus of Prometheus isn't Alien, and my desire for it to be is what I think is keeping me from really loving it.
 
While watching Prometheus last night, it occurred to me that I don't think I like it because I really want it to be an Alien prequel and unfortunately that's not what this movie is about.
Which is precisely why I like it as much as I do.. it's what I actually wanted it to be.

As for the film's faults, I'm not going to deny them. The only thing I can state is, quite simply, I don't care. They don't detract from the experience for me, and they don't lessen my enjoyment of the film.
 
Finally got around to watching this movie today. From glancing through this thread a bit I'm firmly on the detractor side. Nothing anyone did made sense, if there even was a science advisor for the writer they didn't pass high school and things that should have been driving plot points were glossed over or hand-waved to get to the next pointless action scene. I agree with the people who say there is an interesting story there and there were interesting elements of the production design but personally I can't look past the bad writing to enjoy the movie as a whole. :unsure
 
You know, when a movie requires this much post viewing archeological digging to find substance, it screams failure of product. It's a shame really. It really should/could have been a great film.



Doug

+1

It's like if you have to explain a joke, then it wasn't funny.
 
So has "Director's Cut", which that version was called, but was not. It's just an alternate version.

And yet of all the alternate cuts of the films, it's the labeled "Special Edition" version of ALIENS that the director James Cameron prefers.

James Cameron: I actually prefer this version to the theatrical version. As one of my friends said, it's "40 miles of bad road".

So we have a Director's Cut that's not a true Director's Cut, A Special Edition that IS a true Director's Cut, a Special Edition that's more of an assembly cut, and a Special Edition that's.... well, the only real Special Edition on this set.
 
I'm almost tempted to give the Unrated Cut a try since my friend and I had a blast ripping this movie to shreds (We both talked out loud about how the secret service agent killing himself was the only thing he did right in the film). Plus I'd like to see just how the editing fairs with the theatrical version because the PG-13 cut was horrendous.
 
There are plenty of films that explains everything and you dont have to work on interpreting themes, wonder about character traits. Faults or not, Im glad this one is different.
 
That's not really a continuity issue, though. It's a different space jockey. That's more an issue of audience expectations that this would directly flow into Alien.


Anyway, to me the problems with the film aren't the unanswered questions that are larger and perhaps more philosophical in nature, or which are about things like what the engineers were up to. Those things I have no problem with there being ambiguity, either to be addressed later in a sequel or not at all.

My problem is with the flawed execution of the telling of the story. Poor characterization requiring post-hoc explain-aways or things like "Well, in the script, it's clearer..." and then some decisions on things like plot points (e.g., why is Weyland being all secretive about being on the ship, only to appear at the last second right after the c-section scene, and then to toss off the reference to Vickers being his daughter?)
 
I read Spaiths script..... the TRUE Alien prequel

I see HOW it doessnt work
as soon as it got into the facehugger/chest buster stuff, i signed from boredom
We really DONT need to see more movies of that process. its only frightening when its NEW.
So i see WHY they didnt do that, but the slimey goo was a poor alternative
 
I just watched it again tonight, after figuring out the issue which was only allowing my tv to show a 480i picture quality. It was amazing in 1080i after seeing it so many time in the lower quality! Now to rewatch all of my blurays! :lol

I wrote a 5 page paper over the movie, about how the film follows the same characteristics of sci-fi films made in the 1950's, mainly being that space travel is involved (travelling to LV-223), technology plays a part in the film with negative connotations (David being ever so slightly shady, as well as Weyland wanting eternal life, and using the cryo-sleep to prolong his death,etc), there is a threat to humanity/Earth (Engineer ship delivering its payload to deystroy the Earth), and then of course the usual special effects used within the movie.

I had to watched it again to make sure I didn't miss anything blatantly obvious that contradicts my thesis. :lol To quote David, "That's why they call it a thesis". :p
 
Interesting! I dont know much about the old sci-fi films, but it sounds like you have a point.

The film in many ways uses analogies over biblical and ancient themes and stories. The characters act to fit into those themes, rather then focus on realism or explain why they act the way they do. If I were to write something about Prometheus, I would have looked at those stories and themes and the way they work in the films narrative.

If you dont mind, Id like to read your paper, and learn more about old school characterization and what you found.
 
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Trust me. This film apes several old ones, a few of which were featured on MST3k, actually. If you have netflix instant, watch the MST3K episode First Spaceship on Venus.
 
Cool. I'm going to check that out. I love those old sci-fi movies. They seemed to capture the 'marvel' of mankind in space a lot more than most modern films.
 
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