Give that crew member a freaking medal. :thumbsup
Prometheus (Post-release)
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Give that crew member a freaking medal. :thumbsup
NAZGÛL
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Yeah, agreed. And not many films dare to do it. No matter what ppl think, the theatrical release is made this way on purpose by SRS. Ppl may not like it, but it is what he wanted it to be.
The fact that we still discuss it should be proof enough of the impact of the film.
I found it interesting that the DVD contains a lengthy cut scene with Janek in Vickers' room talking about his military experience and a chemical weapons experiment that went wrong. He then suggests that this is the case with the Engineers and their weaponised goo.
In the final cut there is an entirely different scene where Janek proposes the same thing without all the back story.
Seems to indicate they were rewriting and re-shooting during production.
In the final cut there is an entirely different scene where Janek proposes the same thing without all the back story.
Seems to indicate they were rewriting and re-shooting during production.
I will always miss that one alternate scene with Shaw and Halloway. "I saw his head explode. I know infections when I see them." I can almost hear someone in the editing room pulling Damon and Scott aside and telling them "Uh, guys. There are no known infections that cause 2,000 year old decapitated heads to spontaneously explode when given an electrical jolt."
So I'm just curious, were there a lot of deleted scenes? I haven't made the jump to Blue Ray(not in a rush) so I'm not up to snuff on a lot of this.
Like others have said, I enjoyed Prometheus, but moreso as a stand-alone film, and really just for a handful of scenes. Okay...and Michael Fassbender's acting...
Like others have said, I enjoyed Prometheus, but moreso as a stand-alone film, and really just for a handful of scenes. Okay...and Michael Fassbender's acting...
Kit Rae
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It exploded because of the virus being activated, building pressure and heat in the tissue. Shaw's father died of Ebola - hemorrhagic fever - so she would have recognized what was happening as soon as the temperature started to rise and fluids began bursting and leaking through the skin of the Engineer's head.
Blood clots can burst. Infected brain tissue can swell and burst. Cancer tumors can explode. Clots can hemorrhage, burst and bleed through the skin. Scott was just taking it to the extreme with this alien virus.
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One of the scenes I'll never forget is Halloway taking off his helmet when they entered the structure. Breathable air, ok, but how could they have known 100% that there were no airborne pathogens? Was there something in the dialogue in that scene that said 'no diseases detected' ? Maybe there was and I missed it. Clearly it seemed more for the 'Wow' factor to have a character take off their helmet and breath fresh air. Would any real-life scientific team ever take that risk on an alien world?
It's mostly character stuff, aside from a fairly long scene on Vickers' shuttle at the end, where Shaw has a big fight with the Engineer.
The opening is clearly a ceremony rather than a rogue engineer, as we see Engineer elders.
Millburn finds a small and harmless alien worm, which I guess is meant to play into his attitude towards the Hammerpede (but really doesn't).
There's a substantial scene of Shaw and Holloway fighting over his drunken dickishness.
The scene where Holloway sees the worm in his eye plays up the extent of his hangover, and when he looks back it's gone, emphasising that he thinks he has imagined it.
Vickers and Janek talk personal history.
Good scene between Vickers and Weyland which explores their relationship and shows an emotional side to Vickers. Also lays to rest the 'she's an android' stuff - she's definitely his biological daughter.
The Engineer actually talks and has a conversation with David, which he translates, before the beheading.
David reveals the Engineers come from a planet roughly translated as 'Paradise'.
A much better version of Shaw's final scene with David on the wrecked ship. 'You don't understand because you're a ****ing robot!'
Lots of other little bits and pieces.
Nope.
I think there's a line in the Spaights script - 'No pathogens' or something like that.
I don't know if this was posted, but if it was...sorry
What did Damon Lindelof add to Prometheus? The Biggest Differences from the Original Draft
What did Damon Lindelof add to Prometheus? The Biggest Differences from the Original Draft
Noeland
Master Member
At some point there has to be suspension of disbelief, or the whole movie is nonsense. Mine happened long before Halloway took off his helmet. How far do you go with it? Maybe there are alien microwhatits that the filters on the breathing gear does not work on, so they get into the suit anyway. Maybe there burrow into the suit microscopically. Where does it end? You could go on and on. If it's alien in origin it could have any number of effects on people and on gear, because it's fantasy.
Maybe we kill the pathogen instead of the other way around. It's science fiction. You can do whatever you want.
Solo4114
Master Member
Except, you can't do WHATEVER you want. You have to make the behavior of the characters believable and relatable. This film failed to do that in large part, either due to bad writing or bad editing, or too many chefs.
I mean, I agree that there could be anything that's a threat and they have to take the risk, but that was a STUPID risk. They're wearing, supposedly, environmentally sealed suits with an internal breathing supply, right? Ok, great. So, stuff could sneak in because of the alien nanobots or whatever, but that'd be different from, say, removing the protective layer between you and who knows what.
And this guy's a scientist? Maybe he's an EXTREEEEEEEME scientist who drinks Surge? (Note: Surge will have made a comeback somewhere around the 2050s.)
It's just dumb behavior. You can try to explain it away, but it's still dumb behavior. I mean, I understood when Kane got overexcited in Alien and took a risk, but he didn't take off his freakin' helmet. The facehugger nailed him IN SPITE OF his protective gear. That was at least believable behavior.
But in Prometheus? Not so much.
This kind of behavior belongs in cheap slasher flicks (or parodies thereof) where characters do obviously stupid things which typically end in bad results. We accept it in those films because they aren't simultaneously pretending to be high-brow entertainment. They know what they are and they embrace it.
Prometheus was, supposedly, different. And I can see the fingerprints of where it would've been...if it hadn't been saddled by this kind of stuff that just yanks the viewer right out of the experience.
The ideas in the film may be interesting, but the execution is crap. Pretty, visually engaging crap, but crap nonetheless.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
Interesting. Fifeild is a botanist in Milburn is the geologist in Damon's version, and Fifield wants to return to the ship because there are no plants. Makes a bit more sense than the freak out in the film, or Spaith's version. Fiflield does not claim the pups are his either. He just rolls them out of the bag after Holloway asks him too. Spaith's version of this was much more detailed, as was his explanation of why they got lost (no mapping unit), but that probably would not have ended up in the film anyway.
In Damon's draft the snake is a larger version of the small centipede David picks up in an earlier scene, just as in Spaith's script. Fiflield is the one who picks it up in Damon's version, because it is crawling on Fiflield, not to pet it. Then it attacks Milburn. No biologist wanting to pet a giant snake.
Also, they don't take their helmets off.
In Damon's draft the snake is a larger version of the small centipede David picks up in an earlier scene, just as in Spaith's script. Fiflield is the one who picks it up in Damon's version, because it is crawling on Fiflield, not to pet it. Then it attacks Milburn. No biologist wanting to pet a giant snake.
Also, they don't take their helmets off.
That's what I assumed, it was a convenience for the film makers.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
According to something Spaith's said on the BR, it was something the film makers wanted because the actors hated their helmets. Holloway DID take his helmet off in Spaith's script though. No one does in Damon's, not until the y get into the Juggernaut room anyway, where David says he has turned on the life support.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
There are lot's of nice little bits of extra dialogue in Damon's version that got trimmed from the film, and there is a lot in the film that is not in the script either, like Vicker's confronting David after he talks to Weyland in hypersleep. That must have been added after the yacht scene got axed. Practically all of the tech/sci-fi stuff from Spaith's script got the axe, but it probably would have ended up on the cutting room floor anyway.
Overall Damon's script is very good, and much more interesting than the Spaith's draft. Damon did an excellent job of making the film primarily about David and Shaw. Not that Spaith's version was bad. He was asked to write an alien prequel and he did. Pretty good considering 75% of it was simply rehashing the same old stuff. That's where his script got boring.
Overall Damon's script is very good, and much more interesting than the Spaith's draft. Damon did an excellent job of making the film primarily about David and Shaw. Not that Spaith's version was bad. He was asked to write an alien prequel and he did. Pretty good considering 75% of it was simply rehashing the same old stuff. That's where his script got boring.
Wasn't sure if this was linked, but here are the deleted scenes..
Watch 14 minutes of revealing Prometheus deleted scenes | Blastr
Watch 14 minutes of revealing Prometheus deleted scenes | Blastr
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