Predator Culture, Biology And Technology

I had always imagined the Predators, as a people who for the most part dwelt peaceably amongst
themselves. I'm sure there are going to be times when strife raises its ugly head among them.
No question.
In an interview Kevin,once stated how the predator concept, was in part based on Maasai "warriors" ( funny how Maasai men are thought of as warriors when the Maasai, are not a warsome people)
anyway, this had me wondering if the Maasai, influence went beyond just the aesthetics behind the
Predator, like if some aspect of Maasai culture/society could be applied to Predator kind? There
is a topic on this that I had started somewhere.

Also, with preds having such a long life span, I'm left with the impression that there aren't
vast populations of them. Usually, creatures with greater longevity tend to reproduce less often
or at a much slower rate than those with much shorter lifespans. Because of this, I would imagine
that the Predators hold the lives of their brethren in high regard and arent as prone to the
senseless killing of their own kind as seen in DH comics/novels.
 
As to the population question, I agree that reproduction in vast numbers seems unlikely since the preds would have understood the benefit of properly rearing their young. I think the closeness of the preds would, however result from long missions away from their home, where the other hunters were their defacto family. For a society to function properly and for it to allow for free time, it must have a well established base, otherwise every members time would be spent on the essentials.

This seems like a good place to share my social structure idea. I've always liked a rough cast society as a model so I kinda started there in my thinking. The three cast I came up with for preds is basically Technology, Governance and Hunting/ Military(possibly). For the moment, lets just consider the hunting aspect. I'm think that young preds would at some point be put into an [background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]agoge style community education system where they develop a sense of things greater then themselves but are also taught strength, compassion, violence, patience etc. All the things necessary to be a good member of their society but also a good hunter. Then, I think the juvenile preds are sent on several different ritualized hunts. One would be for people, one for xenos and who knows how many others they have. If they survive these ritual hunts they graduate into the full hunting class. There they would have to serve a mandatory amount of time going to other worlds and collecting, hunting and exploring. This would necessarily be the largest cast because of the preds on personal need to hunt but also based on the need to populate worlds within a reasonable population so as to not throw off the worlds naturally existing ecosystem. After serving and surviving their stint as a part of the hunting cast, the preds would be placed in the graduated cast that best suits their own personal skill set. The best hunters would remain in the hunting cast as trainers and guides. Those with a knack or interest in technology would move into the Technology cast and those who show the characteristics of leading would move into the Governing cast, although I would think that the Governing cast probably requires more time spent at the Tech or Hunting level so as to become an elder. But through all this, it is important to remember that hunting is, regardless of cast, an integral part of the preds life. Even members of the Tech and Governing casts will go on hunts to other worlds. Some in hunting parties others by themselves. [/background]

[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]Which leads to another difficult but necessary tangent that we really need to explore. Why? Why do predators hunt? Or more precisely, why do creatures with a means of technology to meet all their needs travel the universe in search of more worthy prey? Very interested to hear thoughts on this.[/background]
 
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Also, with preds having such a long life span, I'm left with the impression that there aren't
vast populations of them. Usually, creatures with greater longevity tend to reproduce less often
or at a much slower rate than those with much shorter lifespans. Because of this, I would imagine
that the Predators hold the lives of their brethren in high regard and arent as prone to the
senseless killing of their own kind as seen in DH comics/novels.


As a matter of ecology, large carnivorous animals always have a thin population density, since it takes a very large amount of territory to provide enough food for them. If you look at a typical patch of American forest, you'll find bazillions of rabbits, not very many deer, and just a handful of bear or wolves.

The same was true of early humans---they have very thin population densities until agriculture appeared.

(My damn Predator book hasn't gotten here yet--I'm getting a bit annoyed at Amazon.)
 
That was kinda my point when I said they probably inhabit multiple planets if they do have a reasonable sized population (which they should since population is probably the easiest indicator of success where any species is concerned). However, I don't see them has being a hunter gather society in the sense that they still hunt primarily for food. The notion that they have developed space travel and a vast array of technology supports the notion that, at least on the socio-cultural level they have advanced beyond a subsistence based existence.
 
This is a bit off topic but what sports or athletic activity do you guys think the predator population would do if any perhaps during a pre hunt festival if there is one or funeral games or any thing like that
 
I would think most non-essential activities would be fairly limited. Their culture seems to already center around hunting, which seems fairly strenuous in and of itself. Ergo, since our sports kind of mock real life activities, I would guess any sports would have to aid in hunting. As for festivals and such, I'm not sure how much there would be as most festivals have strong religious/superstitious tie ins and an advanced race would forgo such things. Is that to say preds don't have a "Christmas" or "Memorial Day", no, but its a bit further along than we can guess without being a completely baseless hypothetical.
 
I was thinking more of an Aztec cut out a heart ceremony, or the sacrifice of the losing team in a game like they played with the hoops on the walls and such. I assume they would have a type of wrestling like folkstyle not wwe, although im partial to this idea since ive been a wrestler and a fan of the predator my whole life :)
 
Tyson, I think such violent practices could very well be part of the predators past similar to the rituals you stated are a part of our past. However, I don't think an advanced society, far beyond any this world has ever seen, would still revel in such superstition and ritualism. The wrestling though I believe would be an integral part of their culture, simple because hand to hand combat is a survival skill and preds seemed to strive to excel at survival.
 
I had always imagined the Predators, as a people who for the most part dwelt peaceably amongst
themselves.

Um, i'm not so sure 'bout that since we have the AVP: Three World War, in which the hero Preds were fighting against the same type as them. And then there's Predators, where we are introduced to "alpha male" Preds who like to kill off the regular Preds.
 
Um, i'm not so sure 'bout that since we have the AVP: Three World War, in which the hero Preds were fighting against the same type as them. And then there's Predators, where we are introduced to "alpha male" Preds who like to kill off the regular Preds.

It is unfortunately true that the later movies and comics all moved away from the original depiction of preds as hunters, and turned them into warriors. A bad move that I regret seeing. "Hunters" and "warriors" are not at all the same thing, and I am sad to see the original "hunters" being lost. They were far more interesting than the ubiquitous (and boring) Hollywood "warriors".
 
AvP: Three world war- nuff said.
The AvP, "yautja" universe isn't the same as the originating one of Predator, 1987. And, isn't cannon.
 
@ Berserk Wolf- We are not saying that violence doesn't occur in pred society but rather violence is the exception and not the rule. As for the alpha male thing, well we haven't yet to discuss predator psychology but I think we'll get around to it...lol.

Back to my previous question though since I'm not seeing much response to it...Why to predators hunt? I mean we have the idea the idea that the pred culture is either based on or strongly influenced by hunting. But why. What is the compulsion? Is it a biological need or merely a desire? I mean, for a culture/ civilization to spend so much of its time and treasure on something that, based on the implied advancement of there society, isn't necessary for the obvious reasons, why? This could certainly have a psychological tie-in...
 
OK, just finished the book. I'll be re-reading it, but here are my first impressions:

The Pred in the book is, physically, very different from the one in the movie, and not just by having only three toes and three fingers (I'm assuming the book was based on the original screenplay as it was written). Nearly all the technology and gadgetry we associate with the Predator is missing--there is no plasma cannon, no armor, no bio mask, no laser-sights, no light-bending cloaking mesh, no wrist blades, no bomb gauntlet. The only weapon is the spear (which, ironically, never appeared in the finished movie, but was later resurrected in P2). Instead of using technology to bend light as camouflage, the original concept here had the Pred's skin itself act as camouflage by its ability to change color and texture like a chameleon or an octopus to blend into its background. The Pred also had the ability to change its body form using cellular control to re-arrange its tissues--there is a scene in the book where the Pred alters its body shape into that of a bird and then flies off in pursuit of Anna as she flees. (The book also mentions that this gave them the ability to construct new bodies if they became sick or injured so they had extraordinarily long lifespans.) The Pred's heat vision is still there, but is entirely biological, there is no bio-mask to let it change frequencies. Instead of wristblades, it has large natural clawlike spurs on its ankles and wrists that it uses as weapons. If the Pred had been depicted in the movie as it was in this screenplay (apparently the CGI technology of 1987 wasn't up to that task), it would have been a very different Pred than the one we know now---more alien, less humanlike, and less technological. This original version of the Pred would have been more interesting, I think, in many ways. But we'd probably not be making Pred costumes right now. ;)

But the book version does do a good job of explaining what the Pred's motivations are. He is, first and foremost, a hunter (and indeed the original screenplay, as written, was titled simply "The Hunter"). In the book's opening scene, as the Pred's spaceship approaches Earth, he is looking through a computer catalogue of Earth species--big cats, bears, elephants, then humans, then specifically at armed soldiers. "Here was a creature modified and trained for a single function", the book explains, "to kill--exactly the creature the predator sought, the challenge worthy of his own vast skill, a kindred spirit at last, a reason to exist." The Pred acted like a British big game hunter in Africa. It picked the most dangerous quarry it could find. It had a trophy room to display its prowess--the book describes a scene where the pred takes a skull and spine back to its ship to place in its trophy room. But the Pred also had a scientific interest too. In many of the bodies, the Pred doesn't bother with trophies and doesn't take the skull/spine---he's interested in understanding their structure and biology. So in some cases he took the bones, in other cases he took just the internal organs--all for study, like a field biologist might. "Only the lower species ever died on the alien's home planet", the book explains. "The higher forms so endlessly transformed themselves that they never inhabited a body long enough to die. They sloughed themselves like snakeskins. Therefore the creature dissected these killer soldiers as dispassionately as a clockmaker might dismantle an unusually subtle timepiece. Obsessively it probed to locate the center of man's identity by analyzing every millimeter of flesh and bone. Though it hadn't succeeded yet, it had already figured that the skull and perhaps the spinal cord were crucial pieces of the puzzle. The rest of the body was patently clumsy and unimportant--discardable, like packaging." So like a human big-game hunter in Africa who sent carcasses back to anatomists in England, the Pred took his trophies but also donated his kills to science. As the book puts it, "It became evident that this was only one of many such trophies displayed around the room. It was some otherworldly equivalent of a big-game hunter's headroom, walls covered with elephant tusks and moose antlers. Yet it bore a kind of purity too, like a scientist's lab or the inner sanctum of a temple."

The book makes it clear that this particular Predator had been to earth before, a thousand years earlier, hunting Aztecs in the very same spot in Central America, and there are references to both the Aztecs and the Sioux treating the aliens as gods from the sky---the basis for the later AvP movie.

So, to sum up: physically, the Predator depicted in the book is very different from that in the movies. Much more alien, much less technological. But in its actions and its motivations, the 1987 movie accurately reflected the intentions of the original screenplay--the Pred is a hunter. It's not interested in war or conflict, it is a big-game hunter seeking the most challenging prey, both in the hunt and in its quest for scientific knowledge. That is, sadly, a picture which all of the later movies began to move away from, until by the time "Predators" was made, the Preds had become mere serial killers, motivated solely by blood lust. It is a huge divergence from the original conception. Me, I find the original conception far more interesting.
 
My guess would be one word. Tradition. I envision the Predator people as hard core traditionalist. Holding on to defining customs and practices thousands of years old.There is absolutely no need for "modern" predators to hunt. They have the capability and knowledge-no doubt, to support themselves via industrialized agriculture, farming, etc. but I feel they choose not to do things that way.
Predators aren't one to forget their 'roots' or where they come from. Their ancestors are,were hunters and they should be the same. As technology came along, the Predators molded it to fit into their hunting society. They never put away their spears, nets and blades, as they "advanced". They just fitted these things with smart sensors, lasers and so on.
 
Yes, LFlank. The physical Pred. in the book is way different. This was written before Stan and crew came on board. But it explains the essence of the Predator. Who he was and what he was about. And without a doubt, he is a hunter.
 
I'm not certain but wasn't it the Maasai the tribe that KPH used as inspiration for the preds posturing behavior?
Hmm, never heard this but it may have been very well possible. I recall reading how Director, McTiernan, wasn't to pleased with Kevin's, initial Predator movements, posturing and told him to think of ' Dirty Harry'! McTiernan told Kevin, to think of 'Dirty Harry,' in outer space! lol, funny thing is, you can actually Kevin, putting the 'Dirty Harry' in his Predator posturing.You know the scene where Dutch, is bleeding ( after Predator beats his behind) and is crawling on his belly, and Predator is following a few paces behind..that's inspired from a scene from 'Dirty Harry'
 
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