damagecase
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Lets try this again.
Previously from me:[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)] Wanted to start a thread about Predator flavor. What I mean to do is share some ideas about pred tech and physiology/psychology to ad meaningful depth to our beloved hunters. Now I know part of their appeal is the mystery that surrounds them but honestly if more depth to the charactor isn't created, its becoming a boring horror trope and nothing more. Maybe it already has. In any case, lets hear some ideas.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I'll start I guess. I have theorized that the preds may have multiple nictating membranes, similar to what a cat has, that allow their eyes to see different spectrums of light. So rather than using tech to change their vision, they can do it at will biologically. Now how I came about this idea ws really backwords but I was thinking about how such a species as advanced as a predator is could become that advanced without a written language. Why I say no written language is what good is writing a word when you can only see heat, biologically. We know the preds have a written language from the movies. So, if there only mode of vision is infared, how could it develop? Therefore, I am making an assumption that they must be able to see in different spectrums without the aid of technology.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Zuckuss: [/background][background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]This making more sense now you are just thinking of expanding the idea of predators.I will throw some idea's in the air with you , so you are thinking bio's are an option to seeing?[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]There homeworld they can breath and are probably walking around without bio's on so i guess they get around without them.I think the original vision without the mask the p1 had was terrible looking to agree with you.I think the story would have to go a bit more real in what they see.They couldnt be spaceship making aliens thats for sure.The only thing i think they are barbarians by nature, the super predators were very much tech predators.I could see them doing anything to win the fight and vision would be one.[/background]
From Me: [background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]Well the bio could still do all kinds of cool things. I mean it could enhance vision, have a heads-up display with environmental readings, facilitate better respiration, help keep their eyes lubricated, protection in combat and from environmental hazards, enhance hearing and smell/taste. I mean a lot of predators on earth rely on smell as much or more than sight. Look at dogs and sharks. They're perfect examples. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]As to the culture, I think they may exist in a cast society that revolves around their technology. We always see them as hunters but what if, rather than hunting, they are collecting for a higher purpose. I think I read somewhere that, for example, DNA stays well preserved in teeth. Maybe they take the head/skull of their prey to collect naturally preserved DNA samples to return home with and use in experiments. It's already been explored upon that they use xenos in what has been explained as a kind of tribal ritual. My question is, what do they use to complete the xeno life cycle away from earth? Do they rely on some native animal on some distant planet? We know for a fact that life may exist on other worlds but those worlds are far and few in between. What if they take the human DNA from the most worthy of our species (worthy meaning strongest and most apt to survive) and use it to clone humans to be hosts for the xenos?[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Me: [/background][background=rgb(24, 24, 24)] I mean preds are so flat flavor wise. And it drives me nuts. We have two pretty good first movies, a gazillion comics and novels and the last three movies are just miserable to non pred fans. And the biggest thing is, they have become too main stream. Too recognizable. Theres an entire world to explore if people stopped being so damn lazy. The comics and novels are fine, although usually lacking in creativity and it can be partly attributed to the artist/writer trying to keep the preds mysterious. The time for mystery has passed. Vampires and werewolves went through the same kind of evolution.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I hope to bring some of those ideas up over the next few days. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Lflank: [/background]I have always assumed that Preds are venomous. Most organisms with fangs are. The teeth are not very large and the mandibles are not very strong, so they'd need an alternative method of killing prey.
The thing I have disliked most about the direction the series has taken is that the original "hunter" aspect has been lost. Preds have been turned more into serial killers than hunters. The latest movie depicted Preds who were acting more like guerrilla fighters than like hunters (one of the inspirations for my fan film "Predators: The Hunt" was to re-do the latest movie as if it were based on hunters, not fighters). "Hunting" and "fighting" are two entirely different things. I think much of the concept of the original 1987 movie has been lost.
From Estelle: [background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]In the original 1987 screen play novel, ( Monette.) there is quite a bit of in-site into the Predator already given; his religious/spiritual beliefs ( concerning life and death as he sees it), his longevity, his emotional hardwiring,why he REALLY collects skulls and backbones ( It's not to please females..what a bunch of, 'Darkhorse' bullsh*t!!)..etc. It's all there. There really was, from the very beginning NO NEED for "expansion". One just has to read between the lines, the details are there, always have been.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]Most of the "flavorings" given in the DH comics and novels, run contrary to the Predator of 1987. The Predator, in essence was a hunter, naturalist and specimens collector. Not the warrior-race, human side-kick having, maniac killer-freak, we see in the DH novels and comics.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]As far as Predator tech. goes, there really wasn't much given on it, as far as the, whys and hows of its functioning in screen-play novel. So, maybe this is something that could have some light shed on it, but I don't thinks it's necessary.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]IMO, There is a thin line between "expansion" ( or "Flavoring") and "bastardization". If one, must "Flavour", I would say please keep in mind the 'original concepts' behind the Predator. Please don't go the route 'DarkHorse' took, tossing out founding concepts and handing us some bastardized version of the Predator...but, in their defense, I must thank them for calling their version of Predator-kind, Yautja! That way, whenever I read the word Yautja, I know I'm not dealing with the Predator kind. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Lflank: [/background][background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I've always thought of the Predator as a sci-fi version of the Great White Hunter type in Africa circa 1910, risking his testosterone-poisoned neck with his trusty bolt-action rifle to mount the heads of the most dangerous animals on his wall so the whole world would know he had done it.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]But the idea of a naturalist specimen-collector is one I had not thought of. Were the Predators actually just Darwins, exploring new lands and collecting specimens for their natural history museum back home? It's interesting. I think the actions of the Pred in the movie (deliberately targeting those who were most able to fight back, and particularly saving the best one for last and going mano-a-mano with it) indicates more of the testosterone-poisoned big game hunter than the scientist-collector type, but it is an interesting idea anyway--and after all many of the British big-game hunters ostentatiously donated their specimens to be mounted in museums (usually with self-aggrandizing plaques about how they had shot it). [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Estelle: LFlank, I think it would be fare to say that the predator is, was, a big game hunter.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]That's how I see him as well.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I see this in no way taking from his " naturalist" aspect. The trill of the hunt was no doubt a[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]testostrogen driven test of skill. But when it came to the trophies, the skull and spine. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]The predator was searching for that devine spark that was the essence of man kind. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]The predator felt it was located within the skull and spine..that's why he focused so much on them and cast off the rest of the [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]body as trash. I would love to get your opinion on the book once you'ge read it. [/background]
Previously from me:[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)] Wanted to start a thread about Predator flavor. What I mean to do is share some ideas about pred tech and physiology/psychology to ad meaningful depth to our beloved hunters. Now I know part of their appeal is the mystery that surrounds them but honestly if more depth to the charactor isn't created, its becoming a boring horror trope and nothing more. Maybe it already has. In any case, lets hear some ideas.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I'll start I guess. I have theorized that the preds may have multiple nictating membranes, similar to what a cat has, that allow their eyes to see different spectrums of light. So rather than using tech to change their vision, they can do it at will biologically. Now how I came about this idea ws really backwords but I was thinking about how such a species as advanced as a predator is could become that advanced without a written language. Why I say no written language is what good is writing a word when you can only see heat, biologically. We know the preds have a written language from the movies. So, if there only mode of vision is infared, how could it develop? Therefore, I am making an assumption that they must be able to see in different spectrums without the aid of technology.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Zuckuss: [/background][background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]This making more sense now you are just thinking of expanding the idea of predators.I will throw some idea's in the air with you , so you are thinking bio's are an option to seeing?[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]There homeworld they can breath and are probably walking around without bio's on so i guess they get around without them.I think the original vision without the mask the p1 had was terrible looking to agree with you.I think the story would have to go a bit more real in what they see.They couldnt be spaceship making aliens thats for sure.The only thing i think they are barbarians by nature, the super predators were very much tech predators.I could see them doing anything to win the fight and vision would be one.[/background]
From Me: [background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]Well the bio could still do all kinds of cool things. I mean it could enhance vision, have a heads-up display with environmental readings, facilitate better respiration, help keep their eyes lubricated, protection in combat and from environmental hazards, enhance hearing and smell/taste. I mean a lot of predators on earth rely on smell as much or more than sight. Look at dogs and sharks. They're perfect examples. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]As to the culture, I think they may exist in a cast society that revolves around their technology. We always see them as hunters but what if, rather than hunting, they are collecting for a higher purpose. I think I read somewhere that, for example, DNA stays well preserved in teeth. Maybe they take the head/skull of their prey to collect naturally preserved DNA samples to return home with and use in experiments. It's already been explored upon that they use xenos in what has been explained as a kind of tribal ritual. My question is, what do they use to complete the xeno life cycle away from earth? Do they rely on some native animal on some distant planet? We know for a fact that life may exist on other worlds but those worlds are far and few in between. What if they take the human DNA from the most worthy of our species (worthy meaning strongest and most apt to survive) and use it to clone humans to be hosts for the xenos?[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Me: [/background][background=rgb(24, 24, 24)] I mean preds are so flat flavor wise. And it drives me nuts. We have two pretty good first movies, a gazillion comics and novels and the last three movies are just miserable to non pred fans. And the biggest thing is, they have become too main stream. Too recognizable. Theres an entire world to explore if people stopped being so damn lazy. The comics and novels are fine, although usually lacking in creativity and it can be partly attributed to the artist/writer trying to keep the preds mysterious. The time for mystery has passed. Vampires and werewolves went through the same kind of evolution.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I hope to bring some of those ideas up over the next few days. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Lflank: [/background]I have always assumed that Preds are venomous. Most organisms with fangs are. The teeth are not very large and the mandibles are not very strong, so they'd need an alternative method of killing prey.
The thing I have disliked most about the direction the series has taken is that the original "hunter" aspect has been lost. Preds have been turned more into serial killers than hunters. The latest movie depicted Preds who were acting more like guerrilla fighters than like hunters (one of the inspirations for my fan film "Predators: The Hunt" was to re-do the latest movie as if it were based on hunters, not fighters). "Hunting" and "fighting" are two entirely different things. I think much of the concept of the original 1987 movie has been lost.
From Estelle: [background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]In the original 1987 screen play novel, ( Monette.) there is quite a bit of in-site into the Predator already given; his religious/spiritual beliefs ( concerning life and death as he sees it), his longevity, his emotional hardwiring,why he REALLY collects skulls and backbones ( It's not to please females..what a bunch of, 'Darkhorse' bullsh*t!!)..etc. It's all there. There really was, from the very beginning NO NEED for "expansion". One just has to read between the lines, the details are there, always have been.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]Most of the "flavorings" given in the DH comics and novels, run contrary to the Predator of 1987. The Predator, in essence was a hunter, naturalist and specimens collector. Not the warrior-race, human side-kick having, maniac killer-freak, we see in the DH novels and comics.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]As far as Predator tech. goes, there really wasn't much given on it, as far as the, whys and hows of its functioning in screen-play novel. So, maybe this is something that could have some light shed on it, but I don't thinks it's necessary.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]IMO, There is a thin line between "expansion" ( or "Flavoring") and "bastardization". If one, must "Flavour", I would say please keep in mind the 'original concepts' behind the Predator. Please don't go the route 'DarkHorse' took, tossing out founding concepts and handing us some bastardized version of the Predator...but, in their defense, I must thank them for calling their version of Predator-kind, Yautja! That way, whenever I read the word Yautja, I know I'm not dealing with the Predator kind. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Lflank: [/background][background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I've always thought of the Predator as a sci-fi version of the Great White Hunter type in Africa circa 1910, risking his testosterone-poisoned neck with his trusty bolt-action rifle to mount the heads of the most dangerous animals on his wall so the whole world would know he had done it.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]But the idea of a naturalist specimen-collector is one I had not thought of. Were the Predators actually just Darwins, exploring new lands and collecting specimens for their natural history museum back home? It's interesting. I think the actions of the Pred in the movie (deliberately targeting those who were most able to fight back, and particularly saving the best one for last and going mano-a-mano with it) indicates more of the testosterone-poisoned big game hunter than the scientist-collector type, but it is an interesting idea anyway--and after all many of the British big-game hunters ostentatiously donated their specimens to be mounted in museums (usually with self-aggrandizing plaques about how they had shot it). [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]From Estelle: LFlank, I think it would be fare to say that the predator is, was, a big game hunter.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]That's how I see him as well.[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]I see this in no way taking from his " naturalist" aspect. The trill of the hunt was no doubt a[/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]testostrogen driven test of skill. But when it came to the trophies, the skull and spine. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]The predator was searching for that devine spark that was the essence of man kind. [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]The predator felt it was located within the skull and spine..that's why he focused so much on them and cast off the rest of the [/background]
[background=rgb(24, 24, 24)]body as trash. I would love to get your opinion on the book once you'ge read it. [/background]
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