Pred Physical Strength?

[Adam]

Anyone have any idea of how strong preds are supposed to be as it seems to vary quite a bit? I just played concrete jungle and Scarface (who is heavy enough to dent a truck by landing on it) carries hunter's body (who is slightly bigger than him) with one hand at the end of the game. There's also some of the executions, breaking necks/crushing skulls with 1 hand, pulling people in half etc in that game, and I remember a comment in AvP Prey mentioning that a spear didn't weigh that much less than a human.

That seems to be ignored sometimes whenever plot requires it ( for obvious reasons 
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AcceptableBreaksFromReality ), I mean stuff like hand-to-hand fights that don't result in broken arms (P2 ending), Lex/Royce being ok after being kicked by Celtic?/Berserker and marines knocking you away when you grab them (AvP 2010).

This isn't supposed to be railing against the movies/games for being inconsistent or anything like that, I know it wouldn't work if named human protagonists were killed as easily as normal enemies in the games, I was just wondering how strong they're actually supposed to be.

Edit: Strange, just posted the thread and got directed to a blank page, anyone else have this?

 

[MiamiSett]

You could assume that the strongest they are is the strongest you have seen them be.  If Scarface carried a hunter with a single hand, that is the most weight I have heard of a Pred lifting.  Predators can easily lift humans with a single hand.  Let's say an average mercenary weighs 225 lbs with all his gear.  How much does a Predator weigh?  If they are anywhere between 600-800 lbs.  Then the current potential strength could have them lifting anywhere from 1500 to 2000 lbs.  Sorry if I am confusing you by not using Kilos ............  Another point of reference is in regards to Alien Queen hunting teams,  normally there are around 6-9 hunters per Alien Queen hunting party.  They use ropes to lasso and bring down the queen.  It takes about 5 hunters to bring her down.  So, how strong are they?  Strong enough to carry 2 hunters single handedly, rip a xenomorphs tongue out easily or fling a man with a single backhand.  Yes, the Predators do strike humans in the films which usually sends them airborne.  We can assume ribs were cracked and bones may have broken.  Most of the people getting knocked around eventually end up dieing anyway.  Except Dutch and Harrigan, who are clearly battered and broken after their battles with the beast. 

On another note, female Yautja have been seen tossing male Predatos across a room with a single hand.  The potential of the females strength is even higher than the males. 

 

[Adam]

I should point out that Hunter = Hunter Borgia who at that point was a 7'10" hybrid; at least he was until he was decapitated, compared to the usual ~7'2'' / 7'4'' in the movies and Scarface's 7'6'' (Height according to AvPWiki).

They also list the predator weight as > 330lb (Presumably this is without equipment), but that seems incredibly low even as a lower bound since they're mainly dense muscle. Wikipedia lists some average human adult male weights by country  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_weight#Average_weight_around_the_world and it says around 170-190 lbs (without carrying anything) so a pred weighing less than 2x an adult male human doesn't seem right. I should point out that they list pred height as > 7', yet I've never seen below 7'2'' so they're probably overestimating the range on purpose as there will be a lot of differences throughout the species.
 

They also list the xeno queen weight as 10 tons but I don't know what their sources are.

 
Your weight guess sounds more accurate than the wiki for an average pred with equipment. If the spear weighs a bit less than adult human female, it could still add 100 lbs to the preds carry weight by itself. No idea about how much the armour weighs though, metal densities are all over the place and of course we don't know what it's made of.

The jumping ability is also a good thing to look at, I didn't pay close attention when playing AvP2010 and concrete jungle so I don't know your character's jump height, but in concrete jungle it's over 3x your own height and you also jump very high when you vault over a ledge using only your hands to pull yourself while carrying a load of equipment (Although you're a lot more acrobatic in that game than in any other pred medium I've seen/played).

I had heard about females being stronger in AvP: Prey but I've never seen them outside of fan art, where people usually draw them thinner.

 

[Adam]

Anyone else had any ideas?

 

[Eaglewood]

I always look at the original Predator with Arnold when he is crawling away from him as the Pred is following. The pred shears about a 3-4" tree off with one swipe but then hits Arnold multiple times-- that always confused me. Seems like he would have broken his bones in half very easily. But hey, its Hollyweird.

 

[Adam]

Yeah, the rule is that the good guys always win, the scene where mud hides his body heat always annoys me a bit, since it doesn't work. Bone definitely wouldn't stand up to a physical attack by a predator, if one hit you, you wouldn't get back up very quickly.

 

[Estelle]

I always look at the original Predator with Arnold when he is crawling away from him as the Pred is following. The pred shears about a 3-4" tree off with one swipe but then hits Arnold multiple times-- that always confused me. Seems like he would have broken his bones in half very easily. But hey, its Hollyweird.

Cosign 100% Clay. A single blow  to the head/skull from the Predator would kill a man point blank. It would shatter his skull.  I've always guestmated the Predtor to have the strength of anywhere from 5-6 adult men.

 

[HAL1138]

I always thought that a predator vs.  human would be the equivalent of a full grown charging buffalo against a deer.  One hit would not only knock you out, but pretty much break any bone it came in contact with.  It always makes me squirm a little when a human gets up right after being thrown by the impact of a predator's fist.  I know "the good guy usually wins" in movies, but it still bugs me.  :/

And although a cool concept, the idea of their vision confuses me as well. It seems more of a hindrance than an advantage the majority of the time.  But I suppose everyone needs their kryptonite.

 

[Adam]

A single blow  to the head/skull from the Predator would kill a man point blank. It would shatter his skull.  

Definitely. In Concrete Jungle, you can swat someone's head off (Instant-kill from behind while undetected and unarmed). It's a pretty quick attack (Less than half a second) so I don't think you pull the head off, it looks like you just hit the head clean off. I assume the only reason it doesn't splat is because you swipe with an open hand, rather than punching it.

Couple of similar things: you can pick someone up by the head and high-five a wall, there's nothing left above the neck after you do that. You can also crush the head with one hand while you're carrying someone.

 

[LunaticNic]

ok, just going from P1. Jungle hunter strikes Arnold, who goes flying a respective 20 meters. After Arnold gets struck it takes about a little under 2 seconds for him to land. Which means the Predator moved a target weighing 130 Kg (250 pounds) 20 meters in 2 seconds which would turn into exactly 7000 joules (which equals to 7000 pounds of pressure if you must know).  It takes 2000 psi to FRACTURE a human femur, and I believe close to 4000 to snap it in half. This would leave 3000 pounds of pressure unaccounted for, which would have most likely caused massive internal trauma to Arnolds chest cavity. Now the punch from P1 I am pretty certain is not meant to be a Preds full force punch due to him mainly toying with arnold as it seems. 

Just as a reference the highest amount of pounds of pressure generated by a human punch is 5000. 

so as a conclusion we have no idea to the limits of Predator Biology

I am sort of tired and will revisit the concrete jungle face smash tomorrow

thar'n-da s' yin'tekai

 

[Adam]

Looking at the face smash thing, the skull crushing I mentioned in the OP is probably more noteworthy than high-fiveing a wall since he does the former just with his hand, rather than the whole arm. (17s in this video as opposed to what he does at 33s, same effect but doing it with weaker muscles. I also think pulling the guy in half at 23s deserves a mention as well)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9FEUFM9UU

 

[LunaticNic]

Hey there,
So to Crush a Human Skull it takes 2300 Joules, which equals into about 1,690 psi (just in mere prospect a Tiger bites down with the maximum force of 1,000 psi and a human at a mere 150 psi) ... so according to Concrete Jungle a Pred hand (and wrist) alone can exert the force of a bite from 1 Tiger and 4 humans ....

some strong hands there

 

[Adam]

That does seem a bit high. Although if we're looking at pressure, shouldn't the area he's applying a force to be important? Since he's only in contact with the skull where his fingers are, he's only crushing it there rather than applying force to the entire head. He seems to be grabbing around a quarter/a fifth of the head so he should need a lot less force to do the same damage? The claws might help as well, depending on how sharp they are

 

[LunaticNic]

no because it takes 1690 psi to crush a skull in one target area. So if anything it would go up from there.

 

[Magnus1]

Heeey..what system is Concrete jungle for? Ps3?

 

[LunaticNic]

xbox and ps2 I believe

 

[DMTDeadpool]

Concrete Jungle is the best predator game out there. We need a more upto date game. One for the next gens with the same feel as Concrete Jungle, not just yet another shoot em up like the AVP games.

But back on topic... In P1 Jungle Hunter picks up a 250lb Arnold up with one hand with what looks like zero effort. In AVP Scar helps Lexi pull an alien queen with that chain... Though I suspect Lexi was doing less work with the chain already on a fulcrum Scar on the other hand was pulling on the chain and thus dragging back the full weight of a struggling queen And he was just a teenager.

Scarface was exiled on a hostile planet for 100 years. most of which it seems was a constant battle against the creatures of that planet. A battle he won. Scarface would therefore be in his prime by the time of concrete jungle's story. In his 20s possibly by human terms and a highly accomplished warrior. With little to do for 100 years but fighting and training he would probably be an Arnold in predator terms too.