Potentially interesting news for Terminator fans...

[Solo4114]

All of this just proves that sometimes, it's best not to make movies about time travel.

 

[Jamanticus]

I love T2, it is one of the most memorable cinema-going experiences of my childhood (second to only Jurassic Park), but, really, it is just a watered-down recap of the first. Except Jim added those ridiculous "cute" moments, as well as FX that haven't stood the test of time, to make sure you could differentiate between the two.

The original Terminator had some extremely dodgy effects, too.

Like the awful stop-motion T-800 shambling about at the end of Terminator. Talk about not standing the test of time, that's a classic example.

EDIT: Although the faults in FX in the first Terminator are understandable, as it had an absolutely tiny budget

 

[CTF]

Context.

I can accept the less than perfect stop-mo, as I truly believed that the T-800 was a machine sent back in time... but the T-1000? And the morphing? I just don't buy it.

 

[CB2001]

The original Terminator had some extremely dodgy effects, too.

Like the awful stop-motion T-800 shambling about at the end of Terminator. Talk about not standing the test of time, that's a classic example.

EDIT: Although the faults in FX in the first Terminator are understandable, as it had an absolutely tiny budget

The film only costed $1 Million to make (don't know how that compares to current money trends). But I agree, the special effects aren't great, but they got the job done, even for their time.

Nowadays, we'd have a CG T-800 (like in "Terminator Salvation"), but stop-motion technologies have improved quite a lot that even a simple novice can do some impressive stop motion work (like this and this for an example) if anyone were to make another "Terminator" movie in the old-school way.

 

[SITHcamaro]

It's like BTTF. Once the events in T1 happened, it altered the intended timeline & created a new timeline. The moment Reese went into the past, his presence had changed the future.. But because Reece was from the initial timeline, he couldn't have been aware of the new timeline he was helping create.
I know, time travel movies can get a little confusing. That's when you need to kinda switch inner geek mode off, and just enjoy the damn thing!

 

[DarkKnight]

i love the flaws in the SFX in T1 and T2 it gives them a more "human' feel than something like any of the prequels, you just cant make a cgi moment in some ways look as "real" as a model does, t1, t1 and aliens are my favorite cameron films soo heavy in ideas and thought, his later works are candy for the masses, I like his early scifi work best

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Actually, that sounds more like the T-Meg from the "Terminator 2: 3-D" stunt show from Universal, which James Cameron did have a hand in (he even designed the T-70s for the show).

And, honestly, I would like the idea of John Connor allowing his mother to die, thus allowing him to die as well, since without John Connor, Skynet wouldn't exist. And without Skynet, Connor wouldn't exist. I would love to see that Skynet succeeds in their plan, only to realize too late that without Connor, it doesn't exist (and before all you guys go into the "Skynet would have been made anyway" argument, think of it like this: Cyberdyne Systems would not have developed the microprocessor that would be used by Skynet if the T-800 wasn't destroyed in the factory. We see a deleted scene of two employees discovering the processor and this is even more elaborated on in "Terminator 2." If Skynet sent a Terminator back in time and Reese didn't go, the T-800 kills Sarah Connor. John Connor ceases to exist, Skynet ceases to exist because there was no reason for the T-800 to be sent back in time and end up in the Cyberdyne factory, thus not getting smashed, thus the technology isn't discovered by Cyberdyne and developed to create the processor to create Skynet. John Connor and Skynet need each other to exist, that is obvious. Without either one of them, they both fail to exist. Unfortunately, John's too selfish to realize it and Skynet is not smart enough realize it either).

Yes, without Connor there would be no Skynet and without Skynet there would be no Connor. Though... you wouldn't be able to go back to alter anything - it is a self-fulfilling cycle of events that cannot turn out in any other way than what we saw in T1.

It's like BTTF. Once the events in T1 happened, it altered the intended timeline & created a new timeline. The moment Reese went into the past, his presence had changed the future.. But because Reece was from the initial timeline, he couldn't have been aware of the new timeline he was helping create.
I know, time travel movies can get a little confusing. That's when you need to kinda switch inner geek mode off, and just enjoy the damn thing!

I guess you didn't watch the movie. There are several clues in the movie that shows your deduction to be wrong... the most notable being the photograph of Sarah.

T1 is NOTHING like BttF. It's in similar time travel style to 12 Monkeys, where nothing can be changed.

 

[YenChih Lin]

It's a darn tricky to solve this problems created by T3 and T4 and connect this into T1 T2 and T5. Personally I would ditch 3/4 all together and boil down to the basics.

A pregnant Kate Brewster dies of the hand of a Terminator, Connor is more to be determined to destroy Skynet with all means to give her and his unborn daughter's (alternate ending of T2) death and those of all the resistance fighters a meaning. During the Future War of 2017, where we'll see HK tanks, and the aerial HKs from T1, Connor and his crew with second in command Perry securing a strategic point on a rainy day from some human sized T-600, which happens to be a library, he visited in school once. Finding a a book, which he hasn't read for ages becomes an important guide against the Termis, Sun Tzu's Art of War, where he even finds his return confirmation. He takes the book in his possession as the guide.

Perry wonders what besides the strategic value would the Termis see, that they placed 3 of them there, because one alone is already hard to kill. A resistance fighter report to have found a SkyNet technology in reading room, that is a small time displacement unit (TDU), capable to send 2 person to any time. Soon the TDU is activated and a naked red-haired woman is cowering, that woman is Catherine Weaver, the T-1001. She explains, that this is not all right and he has to come with her to correct the timeline. Perry is fiercly against that idea, but Connor replies with a citation from the AoW: "Let the army see the death in their eyes, there where is no escape. And they will not flee or being afraid - so they can accomplish anything." and goes with her. They are arriving the place, but not the same timeline, where Sarah lives. She has waited for more than 9 years to see him return, but Connor replied, that his mother has died of cancer already - Sarah explained, that she and his John jumped from '97 to '07, jumping over her death, and that his 16 year self to 2027 go get the chip from Cameron. Catherine says, that the timelines are pretty messed up and splitted to 4(?) different versions, which has to be merged to gain order in this chaos. Though not fully understanding the situation, he still wants to stop SkyNet to end all this. Weaver said, that prepation been done and an outpost of rogue reprogrammed Termis from John-Henry are there to receive command from him. He has a discussion with Sarah, but at the end, she has to recognize, that Connor has to face his destiny. Connor assembles several resistances cells to the largest operation he has ever planned to destroy SkyNet and he head off with his troop and the Termis to SkyNet.

I left several things out, like Danny Dyson, who was missing, Savhanna Weaver, Elison and Cameron, but the rough outline could merge T1 and T2 and TSCC together.

The last movie would resolve the jump of John-Henry and 16 year old Connor as well as original timeline Connor. It would lead to the final battle of SkyNet, where SkyNet is ultimately defeated and something like the alternate ending of T2 would be set in stone to end the mess.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

That sounds like something from the Connor Chronicles. Messed up that show was.

 

[YenChih Lin]

If you got a better idea of patchin up the mess, I'm open for ideas.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Instead of trying to polish a turd... flush it and go back to the source which is T1 and go from there. Anything else... is just basically a waste of time... as it won't amount to anything but a turd, because it was made from ****.

You don't use ingredients in a dish that you know will make it taste like ****... just because someone else decided to add it to the revised cook book.

 

[YenChih Lin]

Sounds like a reboot - and I'm pretty much sick of reboots....

 

[CTF]

Sounds like a reboot - and I'm pretty much sick of reboots....

T2 was a remake.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

How is it a reboot when it is T1 future war? If everyone accepts that things are in flux, why would anyone have anything against a pure T1 continuation that is outside the other flicks? Call it an alternate universe... or better yet, call it the original universe and the rest for alternate! :lol

 

[YenChih Lin]

ahhh, I thought you'd start over with T1 - ok, thats different.

 

[CB2001]

ahhh, I thought you'd start over with T1 - ok, thats different.

I honestly wouldn't mind if they start from scratch. I even thought about how interesting it would be to do a remake of the first three films and make it a solid trilogy. Of course, I've had ideas in relation to the story side of such a remake, but I doubt people would like the idea of remaking the first three films anyways (if anyone wants to hear them, let me know. I'm not afraid of sharing them).

 

[ONEYE]

I'm going to see it, whatever/whenever they make the movies. I can't help myself. Hell, I'd watch Endoskeleton's catering a wedding reception.

 

[tubachris85x]

I dunno. I'm not gonna like any new terminator, especially since Arnnie is getting up there age wise. The "CG' Arnie was alright but not for a completly reboot.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

ahhh, I thought you'd start over with T1 - ok, thats different.

Yes, wouldn't ever wanna ignore T1. Just perfection. The rest... pales in comparison.

And the future war wouldn't have Arnold in it anyway... not until the very end when he's sent back. We can't have it be a "regular" model, otherwise Reese would have recognized him.