Potentially interesting news for Terminator fans...

AND a new Hot Toys figure:

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http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-wishers-take-on-terminator-5-6/#more-25147

FWIW, I'd be willing to give Wisher a chance on doing this right - especially given his involvement in the first two...

Hell yeah! I agree. Wisher is the second person who has helped in telling the Terminator story. Granted, he did work on the novelizations and was always in tune with what Cameron intended. I think he would be the best guy for the job. Maybe he can salvage what Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation frakked up.
 
"...Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments."

O.k., this right here killed it for me. We already had enough "transformer-like" robots in Terminator: Salvation.
 
Totally agree Bob!

I don't know what it is... are Endoskeletons and HKs boring now?

"This isn't my father's Terminator series". :(

I was going to post something like "it couldn't be worse than Salvation"... But I think I'll hold off judgement until it's on screen. :lol


Kevin
 
I was going to post something like "it couldn't be worse than Salvation"... But I think I'll hold off judgement until it's on screen. :lol

I'd see the movie. I personally didn't see Salvation as a bothersome film. I didn't hate it. I liked how it wasn't just a rehash of Terminator 2 like 3 was, and I liked how it didn't have so many humorous moments as the previous one did. The only problem the film had was it's obvious "back and fourth" story writing problems. I could tell that the story was meant to go in a different direction even in the movie itself, but it stalls and goes somewhere more mediocre.

There are movies that start out great, the sequel ends up being crap, but the third one sort of redeems it. Kind of like what happened with Jurassic Park. I loved the first one, H A T E D the second one, and really liked the third one. So why not one more shot with one of the original writers?

And what's this? Terminators that are like Transformers? :eek I had no idea that was possible!!
 
I thought both T3 and Salvation were....ok. Nothing great, but not godawful. What they are mostly is an utter waste of fantastic potential, which is, I think, their real damning feature.

One thing I'll caution people on, though. Imagine if, prior to Salvation's release, someone had published a similar report saying "This time we'll finally be in the future, and we'll get to see John Connor's initial forays into leadership of the resistance itself. We'll see new kinds of Terminators that pre-date the Arnold model, as well as how they evolve into the Arnold model. And we'll see the first stages of the post-apocalyptic wasteland that came in the wake of Judgment Day."

All of the above is absolutely dead-on accurate as a description for what you see in Salvation. But you'll note that the devil is in the details, and it is these details which ultimately snarl the film and leave it as mediocre rather than the awesome-fest that some might predict based on the little blurb I typed up. And yes, you could easily type up a not-so-flattering blurb that'd be just as truthful in what it describes. That's my point. Dribs and drabs of information cannot possibly give us an accurate picture of whether this film would suck or rock or just turn out "meh." I think you're better off looking at history, although even that could cut either way. Obviously, the first two Cameron films were quite well received and (I think MOST people would say) pretty good. Personally, I think the first one stands alone as a fantastic story, whereas the second film is merely a "pretty good" film that took advantage of then-amazing special effects. Although the extended version is actually a bit better. Anyway, the new writer is apparently, actually the OLD writer (or one of them), so that cuts in favor of the production. On the other hand.....it's a terminator sequel that Cameron isn't doing and Gale Anne Heard isn't doing. And those have tended towards "meh". Likewise, the film talks about actually bringing Arnold back. Are you friggin' kidding me? Forget it. Leave him at home or CGI him like they did (pretty well, I might add) for Salvation.
 
What Bill Wisher?! OK, I'll buy a ticket! No need to read the news....

Frankly I didn't liked the direction T3 and 4 went - 3 messed the timeline so bad, that 4 is a bad continuation of it - get loose of Kate Brewster with timeline event, merge the Chronicles events to T5 to get a continuation of T1 and 2 and were on the right way...

And Chris Bale, sorry no convincing Connor. Get another one....
 
Sorry. But adding T2 to any chronology is gonna cause some serious revision-explaining that won't make sense. They'd have to explain pretty stupidly why Reese wasn't told, since Connor would know what happened, since he knew about the events in T1 from his mother, and groomed Reese accordingly, to make him volunteer when the time came.

The fact that Reese never mentions the T2 events, but is in fact quite adamant no one else comes through - "it's just him and me" - means that T2 doesn't fit with the T1 timeline.

So, including T2 onwards into any sort of timelime is just gonna cause unnecessary ****-up explainings like what happened in T3 - *oh, things are in flux, but they are still inevitable* or some crap like that.
 
Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

Ah c'mon guys. The first one was best, and that was just Arnold walking around not saying anything. Quit thinking about toy sales!

STORY STORY STORY!!!!!
 
Yeah... making anything more lethal than the T-800 kills their whole menace and Reese's whole story about how they were the newest and worst enemy they were facing, as the rest had been pretty stupid - according to him.

The T-800 is the end product... so what we should see are simpler and less self-sufficient and intuitive robots on simple missions, first to round up survivors into camps... then later, when the humans start breaking free and fighting back, they'll begin hunting them down with ever more advanced creations... with the Terminators being the last creation near the end of the war.

That's what they are forgetting. The T-800 was the worst... and should be treated as such.
 
The fact that Reese never mentions the T2 events, but is in fact quite adamant no one else comes through - "it's just him and me" - means that T2 doesn't fit with the T1 timeline.

I don't know. In my mind, there was always this infinite loop about how the timelines worked. It kept on going on and on until....something happened. Some screw must have gotten loose somewhere that caused Skynet to send another Terminator back through time and things changed drastically. As a result of that 'something', the loop ended. What that 'something' was, I don't know. I just like the idea that something did change.
 
I don't know. In my mind, there was always this infinite loop about how the timelines worked. It kept on going on and on until....something happened. Some screw must have gotten loose somewhere that caused Skynet to send another Terminator back through time and things changed drastically. As a result of that 'something', the loop ended. What that 'something' was, I don't know. I just like the idea that something did change.
Well... Connor would have known... and he would have told Reese, who would have mentioned it during T1, instead of steadfastly claiming no one else would come through.

The way things were set up in T1 rules out any possibilities for changes and a timeline in flux. It pretty conclusively states outright that nothing can be changed, with what is said and shown to happen during the movie.

I like the T1000 in T2 - he's the coolest character in that movie and I usually just skip ahead to his scenes as the rest is just rather... boring to me.

Reese may tell Sarah that the future isn't fixed... but it is pretty clearly shown to be, so the only way to interpret that line is to conclude that it was said to not crush her spirit.
 
Ah c'mon guys. The first one was best, and that was just Arnold walking around not saying anything. Quit thinking about toy sales!

STORY STORY STORY!!!!!

I love T2, it is one of the most memorable cinema-going experiences of my childhood (second to only Jurassic Park), but, really, it is just a watered-down recap of the first. Except Jim added those ridiculous "cute" moments, as well as FX that haven't stood the test of time, to make sure you could differentiate between the two.
 
"...Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments."

O.k., this right here killed it for me. We already had enough "transformer-like" robots in Terminator: Salvation.

Actually, that sounds more like the T-Meg from the "Terminator 2: 3-D" stunt show from Universal, which James Cameron did have a hand in (he even designed the T-70s for the show).

And, honestly, I would like the idea of John Connor allowing his mother to die, thus allowing him to die as well, since without John Connor, Skynet wouldn't exist. And without Skynet, Connor wouldn't exist. I would love to see that Skynet succeeds in their plan, only to realize too late that without Connor, it doesn't exist (and before all you guys go into the "Skynet would have been made anyway" argument, think of it like this: Cyberdyne Systems would not have developed the microprocessor that would be used by Skynet if the T-800 wasn't destroyed in the factory. We see a deleted scene of two employees discovering the processor and this is even more elaborated on in "Terminator 2." If Skynet sent a Terminator back in time and Reese didn't go, the T-800 kills Sarah Connor. John Connor ceases to exist, Skynet ceases to exist because there was no reason for the T-800 to be sent back in time and end up in the Cyberdyne factory, thus not getting smashed, thus the technology isn't discovered by Cyberdyne and developed to create the processor to create Skynet. John Connor and Skynet need each other to exist, that is obvious. Without either one of them, they both fail to exist. Unfortunately, John's too selfish to realize it and Skynet is not smart enough realize it either).
 
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