Pictures of the Hartford Blade Runner Blaster

Noeland

Master Member
I know a lot has been said recently about Blade Runner Blasters (I'm sure plenty of folks are getting sick of it) and certain claims have been leveled against the hartford for being a ripoff. Well, over the last couple of years I have gotten to know Conety Kato, one of Hartford's founders, and he's become a close friend of mine.

I just wanted to clear up any confusion about this blaster being a rip off. It's not.

MIM based thier blaster very heavily on the Hartford, and the guys at Hartford do not see this, or recasting, as an issue at all. They are in fact quite flattered by MIM's work. Imagine that. I thought it was odd too :lol But they think of it as a compliment.

While they are aware of Rich' work, Conety has told me that no one there owns Rich's blaster, and it was not used to make thiers. All the custom blaster parts were laser cut, and designed from the ground up based on the real steyr and the Smith and Wesson "police" 5 shot .38 they have been making and selling for many years.

They didn't concern themselves with screen accuracy, instead they wanted to get the look of the movie gun and engineer the blaaster from there with thier own specs. The wanted the clip and bolt to work very smoothly. You will see the inside of the bolt looks nothing like Rich's, which is molded from the real deal.

These guys are some of the biggest Blade Runner fans I have ever met. For a company that creates and sells mostly western replica PFC guns, these guys love sci-fi like nobodies business.

OK, here are the pics. For those who don't know Rich's work, his is the blaster with the more reddish grips and the finger notch in the buttplate, and Rich's gun has the 5th LED as well.

Some side by side shots:
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Note the Hartford blaster on the right has a smooth "notch free" bolt. It was not based on the real parts internally as Rich's was.
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Note the M on the clip bottom, Hartford entirely designed this clip bottom and MIM recast the entire clip design and clip housing from Hartford. Rich's is cast directly from the real deal.
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Note in this picture that the backstrap on the hartford is much thicker than Rich's.
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Note theat the Hartford metal buttplate is an entirely different size that Rich's. Totally different.
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To help keep the clip firmly in place, Hartford engineered a spring loaded bottom that presses on the clip.
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There is also a notch in the front to help keep it in place.
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A couple shots of the very nice plating work done on the blaster. Most of the frame, and many of the smaller parts are made from metal. There are also metal plates on the inside of the grips.
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The "laser pointer" is made from metal as well.
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Note the front notch for the clip, and that the bar under the barrel is made of metal.
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Some more random pics.
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Some pics of it being used in our fan film.
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OK, all that posted and said, I'd like to apologize to Rich if I have been too harsh or too critical of him lately. I own two of his blasters, V3 and V4, I love them both, they areprized parts of my collection and will be forever. They are prized because they are Coyle blasters, not because they are accurate or anything.

I have the utmost respect for his work, and looking back over the last couple of weeks I feel I was out of line a time or two in the heat of blaster debate. So Rich, I would like very much to extend my public apologies.

I would also like to "announce" that Hartford is working on thier own snub nosed blaster to be released in late '07. It will be based on one of my production designs for our fan film. I designed a snubby in illustrator with the intention of bulding two of them based on my all american revolvers. Here is my internal production design, first time posting this anywhere.

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The benefit to using these is you don't have to open the cylinder to reload. They are designed to be reloaded from the side of the gun. The bad part is it's the right side of the gun. :) So I was planning to accomodate for this in my build.

Hartford though will be building thier snubby on the same smith and wesson base gun again, and they will be changing my design a bit here and there I'm sure.

I just want us to be one big happy blaster family again. :D
 
now is when the newbie asks...

"is this "Hartford" blaster available for purchase?"....

thanks

brad
 
Sold out years ago and pretty hard to find them on eBay.

There were 3 different versions made, I believe.

1 static (excepting the triggers, cylinder, etc as shown above) and 2 airsoft models (1 plastic and 1 metal) that actually shot plastic bb's.

The last metal airsoft version I saw on eBay sold for $1300 I think.

If this is incorrect, somebody will let me know I've screwed up very soon. :lol

Bruce
 
If I recall correctly there were only two versions made.

One was an airsoft model and one was a blank firing version. That's all.

Interestingly enough, if this is the Hartford I am thinking of I actually visited the store a coule of times in Tokyo. The owner is a pretty nice guy who changed his name to an American name and was VERY into old time six shooters. I have his card somewhere.

Arthur
 
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If I recall correctly there were only two versions made.

One was an airsoft model and one was a blank firing version. That's all.

Interestingly enough, if this is the Hartford I am thinking of I actually visited the store a coule of times in Tokyo. The owner is a pretty nice guy who changed his name to an American name and was VERY into old time six shooters. I have his card somewhere.

Arthur
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But the one above isn't either, I think. :confused

Can you clarify for us Noeland?

I would love to spend any amount of time wandering around Tokyo soaking in the atmosphere.

Bruce
 
I know these blaster debates have gotten heated, but as a relative nooB to the hobby (I haven't even been here a year yet) it has provided a lot of information in a short period of time. The info flood has required seperating fact from ego, but it's given me a lot to think about.

Thanks for sharing the comparison pics Noeland.
 
There was one on Ebay a few weeks ago, I think it went for about $600. Nice piece.
 
The gun I have pictures is a PFC gun. It's a "plug firing cap" gun. It's a cool system where you put a little cap inside a re-usable brass bullet that screws together.

Hartford only ever made two versions. The first was this PFC style, which has been very hard to come by. I was lucky to get the ones I got for our fan film.

The second version is the one available currently, the gas airsoft version. Here is thier website, but it's in Japanese, so if you can't read Japanese, enjoy looking at the pics.

http://www.hartford.co.jp/

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"is this "Hartford" blaster available for purchase?"....[/b]

Yes, the airsoft version is for sale, it's the same thing I have pictured, just the guts are an airsoft revolver instead of a PFC.

These guns are solid, heavy in the hand, and incredibly nice. I was very tempted not to use them in the film in fact. As a collector, my heart was very conflicted. :confused

There was never a static one available, Hartford doesn't make static guns. They don't view anything they make as a prop gun, they don't work in resin. It's all ABS and metal, they make replica guns meant to be used.

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I know these blaster debates have gotten heated[/b]

Yeah, they have, and this is my attempt to hopefully help get us back to all being friends again. Not that we all hate each other. :D

I'm glad my post has helped clear things up for noobs, if you guys have any questions you think I might be able to answer, don't hesitate to PM me.

I can post a video of this being fired if folks are interested. Lemme know.

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Thank Noeland for this thread.Well done.Thanks[/b]

Your welcome. B) And thank you.
 
Thanks for the clarification Noeland. I stand corrected.

And you know everyone here is interested in seeing a video of this thing in action.

Bruce
 
Thanks Noeland, some very interesting and useful information. I really appreciate you taking the time to document some comparisons.

Thanks,

Bryan
 
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I really appreciate you taking the time to document some comparisons. [/b]

You're welcome. I actually did this for Rich to see after I got the blasters a few years ago, because he had not intimately seen the insides of these guns.

And here is thefirst of 3 videos I am going to post about this. I was going to shoot something new, but instead I'm going to post some of the raw clips from our fan film.

This particular video Kato asked for, he wanted to see how the guns looked firing in low light and moving. This was a high quality quicktime file, but you tube destroyed it. You tube really degrades the video, and in this case it looks like the audio is a little bit off too, but this is the quickest and easiest way for me to show you guys this stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUYLBV8SVrk

Yeah, you're hearing a lot of CLICKS. The PFC cartridges take little caps, and inside each brass round is a striker, and some times the caps don't fire on thier first go around, but they fire on the second, sometimes third hit.

So I directed the actors to just keep pulling thr trigger until I said cut, and well, they did. :) We got a lot of laughs out of it, and it became kind of a running joke, how many caps will fire . . . had to be there probably. :D

The next videos will be close ups with the gun firing. Later tonight, it's nearly time for LOST to premier, so I'l l post the others after I watch that and some other TV, later tonight.

Thanks for the interest guys.

Njc-----------------
 
Noeland,
Great pics and comparisons. Thanks.
I was seriously drooling over the Hartford when it was first advertised, but couldn't spare the $$$ at the time. :(

And your "snubby" blaster? BAD-A$$... :eek I hope you'll post pics as it gets built for real.
 
Noeland..thanks for the comparo...
First off I love your snubbie and plan very much on getting one when it's ready ..please keep us abreast of this

Secondly I assume the leading Bladerunner in the clip is you? Well who ever he is you guys got him looking like Harrison..great clip and lighting.

WOuld love to see the entire film.
 
Thanks as well. And thanks for you kind words.

I have said all along MiM did there own model, and it was not a recast off my model.

I am sure both Hartford and MiM read my articles.

The Hartford model is more a copy of my version three, the one you showed has had the grips and grip frame corrected to sit closer to the side cover, where my older mode did not do this.

And again I have only said Hartford seemly had a copy of one of my models and used it as a guild I have not said they were recasters...nor a rip-off.

BUT they did copy one of my mistakes: IE the mistaken fit of the grips on version 3.

And they did call it the C&S for a long time before naming it the ChefÂ’s Special.

I would have very happy to have received a copy of their model as a thank you for my workÂ…for my articles...


Rich
 
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Secondly I assume the leading Bladerunner in the clip is you? Well who ever he is you guys got him looking like Harrison..great clip and lighting.[/b]

Nope, I'm not an actor. The actor is Michael Cooper. And when we hired him for the role we honestly had no idea how much he would look like Harrison in the lighting and trenchcoat. We responded to his reading of the character of Eli Booker, and he's a great guy too. He's a school teacher who speaks multiple languages, and worked on "Courage Under Fire" as a technical advisor. He was in the military for many years.

Any way, wasn't intentional.

Looks like youtube is down for maintenance or something, I tried posting the other vids, but it's gonna have to wait until tomorrow.

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I am sure both Hartford and MiM read my articles.[/b]

Honestly, they could barely read my emails for a long time Rich. I've started to learn how to speak Japanese, and I am using a translation program so my emails get translated for me, so I can communicate better with them. They probably did look at your photos.

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The Hartford model is more a copy of my version three[/b]

Rich, I have a version 3 as well, and they ain't even close. Less alike than these two. I'd be more than happy to post a second round of pictures to show you. The lack of a thumb notch in the buttplate is certainly an aspect of your version 3, but it's also an aspect of many of the static japanese kits that have been around for years.

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And again I have only said Hartford seemly had a copy of one of my models and used it as a guild I have not said they were recasters...nor a rip-off.[/b]

In fact, you said "Hartford does not rub thier rip-off in my face" in one of the other blaster threads, the sidkit thread I think. It was one of the things that prompted me to post this thread, to help not confuse people.

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And they did call it the C&S for a long time before naming it the ChefÂ’s Special.[/b]

It's the "C.S.B" And yeah, they spelled "Chief's" wrong, but it's "Chif's" not "Chef's" like I said, they can barely read my emails.

It's supposed to be called "The Chief's Special" blaster, like the smith and wesson gun that is the base for this blaster design (which they are big fans of) and it's created with the blade runner font. The internal gun on this blaster is called a "chief's special" revolver, follow? That's where they got the name.

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I would have very happy to have received a copy of their model as a thank you for my workÂ…for my articles...[/b]

:D I'm sure you would have.

I guess the point I am trying to make here is that Hartford did what we all want blaster makers to do, they didn't rip you off or recast you. They started from the ground up, designed and engineered thier own blaster in CAD, laser cut all the pieces, and created a replica that isn't even based onthe same gun as yours.

Yet you continue to try and paint them in a negative light. I don't think that's fair. I'm just trying to clear the confusion that may be created in your doing this.

And on the subject of your research into the screen used prop, imagine if all that information had been published by someone before you. For example, hypothetically, Rick Ross. Would you not have taken this information and used it in part create your own model?

I don't believe this in and of itself denotes ripping you off anymore than chopping up a screen used stun gun and using it to create molds and new masters could be called recasting. ;)

Any way, I also wanted to clear the air on my feelings of your work Rich, which I respect 100%.

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The guy I say is ripping me off is Sidkits.[/b]

I understand that, I was trying not to bring Sidkit into this discussion though. That's a whole other issue that probably should be covered by someone who owns a sidkit and one of your blasters.

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First off I love your snubbie and plan very much on getting one when it's ready ..please keep us abreast of this[/b]

Thanks. I was floored when Kato told me they were doing this. I was very honored. I was hoping to meet Kato at the shot show this year, but he was not able to get there. Hopefully in 2007.

I will be posting information about it like crazy when I can. I have to admit it's pretty darn cool. I'm excited.

Njc------------------------------
 
Nice gun, Chif. :D

I kind of like that half-moon trigger guard... very Rick Rossy. :p

The grip must be hugely undersized tho... if current research is correct which shows Rich's grip to be undersized... and the Chif's Special's grip is smaller than THAT even.

- k
 
The grip is smaller than Rich's yeah, it's pretty tight for my small hands, but probably just right for "regular" japanese hands I'd imagine. I hope that doesn't sound bad. :confused

Michael mentioned it being uncomfortable for him, and I told him I'd try and get my friend to create a new buttplate, but it didn't turn out well.

So we just went with the original. You can see in Micheal's photo, the photo where it's actually being aimed not just held, the grip is swallowed up by his hands.

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So, where can I download your fan film?[/b]

Well, it's not totally done yet. There is a VERY rough, rough cut I've sent to a few folks but it's not somehting I want everyone to see. But soon. The first official trailer has met with mixed reaction. Once youtube is back up, you can watch the trailer for the fan film.

More soon. I'm moving back to Tampa in a few weeks and we're starting up the filming again then, picking up the shots we need, and getting the CG finished.

Njc---------
 
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