Lightning
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Fashion is cyclical, and Picard's father is a Luddite.
Picard S2
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You have a point; fashion is, indeed, cyclical and everything comes back around again…
Why, you should have seen me in my pantaloons, whilst out for a Sunday stroll, last weekend:
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somerset fox
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They must have cut out the scene where papa Picard comes cycling in wearing a black and white striped jumper, a beret and having a string of garlic around his neck!
NakedMoleRat
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It’s a ‘French’ thing.
As well as killers, mutineers, killing off old characters, completely re-writing characters, a trillion other bad things, oh and general crap writing.
My curiosity got the better of me, and since I couldn’t find a mile long razor blade to otherwise slide down and occupy my time, I watched the season 2 opener.
My observations:
Overall, I see the same level of low quality writing and lack of adherence to the history, characters, and setting of Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek in this season opener that has been exhibited in all of Kurtzman’s Trek.
Is anyone truly enjoying these shows? Well, I mean, other than this poor fellow, who is apparently held captive by Secret Hideout, in a station that orbits the Earth…
My observations:
- The show should simply be retitled Patrick Stewart in the 24th and a 1/2 Century or, simply Patrick as the character portrayed on screen seems to be more Patrick Stewart and less Jean Luc Picard. Where Picard was once a man who listened strictly to classical symphonies and opera, this Synth-Picard enjoys 20th Century Motown, played on vinyl LPs. Like Patrick Stewart, Synth-Picard also now comes from a traumatic upbringing under an abusive father. Now, it wasn’t Picard’s focus, dedication, discipline, curiosity, and drive to explore that led him into space, it was his running away from trauma.
- How much time has passed from the end of season one to this episode? How many years? Elnor has somehow completed what I assume was a 4 year course of study at the academy (Or, was it 5 years? Kirk refers to Captain Merrick being dropped from the academy in his 5th year in “Bread and Circuses”). How many fellow cadets lost there heads in the process? Are Romulans now formal citizens of the Federation and able to join Starfleet? I assume his warrior monk transcripts were accepted as the basis for his admission?
- Which brings me to my next point…is Starfleet now something that you can simply sign-up for, like a membership at a gym? We saw this in 2009’s Star Trek when Jim Kirk simply hopped in a shuttle and “caught a ride” to Starfleet Academy without an apparent formal admission process. Rios is suddenly back in Starfleet and the captain of a starship? I guess I’ll drive over to the US Air Force Academy and grab a uniform and become a fighter pilot over the course of the next few months.
- Jurati still has her unlikability level cranked up to maximum.
- Seven of Nine was a fully accepted member of a Starfleet crew (Voyager) but now says that Starfleet crews are frightened of her and her prior Borg experience. Huh? Starfleet, an organization meant to seek out new life appears to be a very closed-minded and backward organization now.
- Whoopi “decided to age” so that it didn’t remind human’s that they, themselves, age faster than her…huh?
- The auto destruct sequence doesn’t require 2 or more senior officers to confirm the auto destruct order of the most senior officer? That’s not dangerous at all.
- Speaking of auto destruct sequences…in the opening teaser…the first time Synth-Picard ordered auto destruct, no code was required. But, the second time he ordered auto destruct, later in the show, he had to enter a code?
- The laziness of costume design must be making William Ware Theiss turn over in his grave. Costumes in Star Trek were once defined by their creative projections of the future. Now, the creators of Picard simply represent Earth, nearly 400 years from now, by grabbing clothing “off the rack” or from the existing Paramount wardrobe stockpiles shared with other productions.
Overall, I see the same level of low quality writing and lack of adherence to the history, characters, and setting of Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek in this season opener that has been exhibited in all of Kurtzman’s Trek.
Is anyone truly enjoying these shows? Well, I mean, other than this poor fellow, who is apparently held captive by Secret Hideout, in a station that orbits the Earth…
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Fixing a lot of these issues wouldn't even be expensive. Feels like it mostly boils down to laziness.
frosty
Sr Member
I find that fandom especially star wars and trek, is overly critical of these shows and movies, i for one am happy that they try to do something a bit differently, i don't need to be spoon fed details of every little thing, its a space fantasy at the end of the day, i think some of you just look for reasons to hate it,
I agree.
I have a simple suggestion, to that end…
Allowing the scenario set-up in the teaser to play out, with the the complete self-destruction of the Stargazer, followed immediately by the credit roll, would have solved all of the problems with this series.
Problems solved…
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Lightning
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It's been a little over a year since season 1. Some of the Trek social media people are confused about this as well, but it's reasonably clear in the show that this is not a graduation, these are cadets being assigned to their first training voyages, Picard refers to Elnor as a cadet the entire time. Also Non Fed Citizens in Starfleet is nothing new, Picard sponsored Elnor just like Sisko did for Nog.
The mystery of what happened on his last ship has been solved so with some excellent 25th century therapy he was able to put that behind him. All the misunderstandings between him and Starfleet have been resolved. We know that Starfleet is pretty easy going about letting former officers back in (McCoy, The Motion Picture)
You can't possibly expect the same reactions from the crew who saved her and lived with her for years with people who have never met a former borg before.
Voyager did it, only Janeway was required. Plus I'm pretty sure this was an emergency self destruct, the computer knows they were under active attack, totally reasonable to have that as an option. However I agree Rios really should have had input, as the captain.
It's called editing. We didn't find out the Queen was only stunning the crew the first time either.
Normally, I would go to great lengths to argue about the use of false equivalencies, circuitous logic, broad excuses for bad writing, etc.
But—because I’ve also frequently raised the “it’s called editing” defense in all matters personal or otherwise (e.g. “But I did remember our anniversary—it’s called editing.”), I must yield.
Indeed, I now see 5 lights when it comes to Star Trek: Picard and anxiously await the next exciting episode.
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kalkamel
Master Member
I agree.
I have a simple suggestion, to that end…
Allowing the scenario set-up in the teaser to play out, with the the complete self-destruction of the Stargazer, followed immediately by the credit roll, would have solved all of the problems with this series.
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Problems solved…
It's a lot easier for me since in my head canon, Picard is still stuck in the Nexus and everything that has transpired since then; his teaming up with a Starfleet legend who is then killed, his defeat of the Borg Queen and saving the flight of the Phoenix, his taking on corrupt Starfleet admirals while romancing an ageless MILF, his encounter with a younger clone of himself, his defeat of a futuristic AI and subsequent resurrection... all of these are nothing more that delusions of grandeur conjured up by the Nexus.
One piece of good news, the series has been axed/cancelled, series 3 is the last.
Alex Kurtzman's deconstruction of what was one of the best characters not only in sci-fi but television has ended. Whether you want to sit through another 19 episodes of that rubbish is down to personal choice.
Alex Kurtzman's deconstruction of what was one of the best characters not only in sci-fi but television has ended. Whether you want to sit through another 19 episodes of that rubbish is down to personal choice.
Except back in the day before jj trek and Kurtzman Star Wars was the only space fantasy out of the two.
Trek used to try and incorporate some actual science into the shows.
Now, it's magic mushrooms saves the day!
Picard on tonight.
Expecting to see Q be Q and give old man Jean Luc a run for his money and give him a Brain freeze or too with his dazzling interlect.
Imagine if he pulled a Blinder and literally Everything Picard had Ever achieved witnessed like before was All a dream ( again) and a de aged crew or an even a younger Jean Luc was really being teased by a child Q..
Expecting to see Q be Q and give old man Jean Luc a run for his money and give him a Brain freeze or too with his dazzling interlect.
Imagine if he pulled a Blinder and literally Everything Picard had Ever achieved witnessed like before was All a dream ( again) and a de aged crew or an even a younger Jean Luc was really being teased by a child Q..
It says a lot that the best that Nu-Trek can hope for is fans saying “I didn’t totally hate the latest episode”…
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I keep thinking of Sweet Valley High when she's on screen
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