Origins of the ROTJ Vader helmets: JY thread continuation

[lonepigeon]

Suppositions and statements of "fact" should always be backed up with some form of proof.

Without proof, there is no reason for discourse. Statements will only be taken at face value and can be easily dismissed by personal bias, other proof-less statements, ect...

There are a multitude of valid reasons that can prevent one from revealing their sources. In that case, one should refrain from participating in the debate for the reasons outlined above.

If everyone followed this rule then no one would be talking.
Saying someone else told you so is not fact, it's heresay.

 

[voice in the crowd]

I have missed the last few days of this thread and it has descended rather low very quickly.

I probably should have been more clear to say that I've had 3 independent sources say that Brian has a private interest list for castings of his helmet.

Who are those 3 sources? If Brian was having a 'private' interest list it couldn't have been that private if 3 people told you about it. This would make these people untrustworthy. If it was a private list I am sure they must have agreed to secrecy which would also make them liars.

Name them please we do not need people like them in our community.

Surely you wouldn't have anything to do with such people?

If there was a private interest list did it not occur to you Gino that you maybe should respect that privacy and not post it up on a public forum?

Chris

 

[Darth Niob]

I have missed the last few days of this thread and it has descended rather low very quickly.




Who are those 3 sources? If Brian was having a 'private' interest list it couldn't have been that private if 3 people told you about it. This would make these people untrustworthy. If it was a private list I am sure they must have agreed to secrecy which would also make them liars.

Name them please we do not need people like them in our community.

Surely you wouldn't have anything to do with such people?

If there was a private interest list did it not occur to you Gino that you maybe should respect that privacy and not post it up on a public forum?

Chris

Good posting. Gino??

 

[Darth Niob]

For how many times did you say that? I totally accept this statement but where are the FACTS that lead you to this conclusion?

"Believe me or not"...

Man we can start a discussion if god exists or not it would be the same.

Don't tell us names, don't tell us about your secret sources, we are not interested in them but please tell us WHY?

Am I alone with the feeling of trying to talk to a deaf person???

Bist Du nichtAber vergiss es einfach. Das ist immer derselbes Scheiss mit ihm.

 

[wannab]

Yuck ... just yuck. :sick


Doug

 

[StarWars Collector]

Yuck ... just yuck. :sick

Yeah, I know the feeling....

....it's one of the side-effects of this particular hobby. :lol

 

[vader71]

Who are those 3 sources? If Brian was having a 'private' interest list it couldn't have been that private if 3 people told you about it. This would make these people untrustworthy. If it was a private list I am sure they must have agreed to secrecy which would also make them liars.

Name them please we do not need people like them in our community.

Surely you wouldn't have anything to do with such people?

If there was a private interest list did it not occur to you Gino that you maybe should respect that privacy and not post it up on a public forum?

Chris

:cheers

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

So, any update on this?

Perhaps the accuser (Gino) providing some detail behind his accusations that Brian Muir fabricated provenance to his helmet in order to increase its value?

I notice mverta has been banned for "baiting, trolling and insulting other members". Odd that Gino's comments seem to fall into those categories.

Cheers

Jez

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

So, any update on this?

Perhaps the accuser (Gino) providing some detail behind his accusations that Brian Muir fabricated provenance to his helmet in order to increase its value?

I notice mverta has been banned for "baiting, trolling and insulting other members". Odd that Gino's comments seem to fall into those categories.

Cheers

Jez

As do the above, Jez. The only bit of supposition was Brian selling these. Hell, Brian even states the following:

You say that no new helmet molds were made specific to ROTJ - even if that is true the mold that the 2-3 ROTJ screen used helmets came from becomes a ROTJ mold.

So, hypothetically speaking, wouldn't Brian's helmet coming from a screen used Vader helmet mold instantly boost the price of said helmet? Good cripes, you dragged me into the sale thing...cripes, I'd try and sell the damned thing too. I guess I am a villain.

 

[defstartrooper]

Wait so it's ok for GINO to question the origin of Brians helmet but it's not ok for others to question the origins of GINO's ?
Thomas got an infraction point for doing that very thing and he even went to the trouble of showing photographs to support his line of reasoning about GINO's pieces, GINO simply makes a statement saying that Brians helmet isn't what he thinks or says it is and that's fine ?
Double standards anyone ?

So what if Brian is or is not offering a private run ? even if he is that's no business of GINO's or anyone elses other than Brians and the interested parties.
It's first of all poor form to post about someone elses private transactions and secondly downright insulting to allude that he is placing false provenence on the piece in order to inflate it's value without backing up that claim.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Wait so it's ok for GINO to question the origin of Brians helmet but it's not ok for others to question the origins of GINO's ?

Who the hell said that? Everyone has been saying that it isn't good for either side. Yet what I see is people are taking Brian at his word as well. He hasn't offered up any proof either.

Thomas got an infraction point for doing that very thing and he even went to the trouble of showing photographs to support his line of reasoning about GINO's pieces, GINO simply makes a statement saying that Brians helmet isn't what he thinks or says it is and that's fine ?
Double standards anyone ?

If Thomas got a point, the ONLY way we would know about it is if he told us. What goes on behind the scenes in a disciplinary fashion is...behind the scenes.

So what if Brian is or is not offering a private run ? even if he is that's no business of GINO's or anyone elses other than Brians and the interested parties.
It's first of all poor form to post about someone elses private transactions and secondly downright insulting to allude that he is placing false provenence on the piece in order to inflate it's value without backing up that claim.

Here is the thing you seem to be missing...NOBODY CARES. Nobody cares what Brian is doing with his helmet. Everyone has said GINO was wrong for saying he was posting a run. Brian hasn't refuted this. Hell, none of what GINO has posted has come out to be a lie, now has it? Was it bad form? Sure it was. Was it dishonest? Well, the only one who can refute those claims is Brian and he has been surprisingly mum. So, if Brian doesn't care about GINO saying he has a run of his helmet going, why on Earth do you?
Who in the hell said one was good and the other not?

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Qui,

The issue here (and I am repeating myself) is that Gino accused Brian of fabricating provenance on his helmet to try and raise its value.

Gino provided no evidence to back this up.

You saw what he wrote. Don't you think that was wrong?

Despite all this there seems to have been no action taken - hell the guy hasnt even apologised!

Cheers

Jez

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Qui,

The issue here (and I am repeating myself) is that Gino accused Brian of fabricating provenance on his helmet to try and raise its value.

Gino provided no evidence to back this up.

You saw what he wrote. Don't you think that was wrong?

Despite all this there seems to have been no action taken - hell the guy hasnt even apologised!

Cheers

Jez

Jez,

I have answered that question already. Are you REALLY calling for a ban of GINO? Again, I will state this: Brian has not refuted any of GINO's claims. If Brian does, I would expect an apology as well, but for now, nothing has been said. Face it, Brian probably doesn't even give two hoots how this pans out.

This all started over "no new molds/helmets for RotJ". Brian making a statement that his helmet came from RotJ molds, which may or may not have been new molds, DOES drive up the price for his helmet. You cannot deny that with a straight face. Hell, look how much the SL went for. I believe that is from the same studio molds as the Darth Jones helmet, right?

 

[darthvaderv]

Personally, I hope the mods stop giving Gino a free pass to speak to others in a certain tone and start encouraging him to conduct himself a little better on line as that's half the problem, without all this crap it makes for a better conversation. Someone needs to wake up here because most are sick of it and by him going unpunished makes the RPF staff look biased and weak because people aren't blind, an opinion shared by many I'm afraid. Curb his attitude if he can't and things will get better, all these BS excuses that he is that way so it's okay doesn't wash with us folk, can't you see how many complaints are generally made? It's becoming so notoriously known that it's almost boring mentioning it. You guys set the standard here, NOT Gino, thank you.

 

[vader71]

Well said Paul.

 

[Trap Joe]

Personally, I hope the mods stop giving Gino a free pass to speak to others in a certain tone and start encouraging him to conduct himself a little better on line as that's half the problem, without all this crap it makes for a better conversation. Someone needs to wake up here because most are sick of it and by him going unpunished makes the RPF staff look biased and weak because people aren't blind, an opinion shared by many I'm afraid. Curb his attitude if he can't and things will get better, all these BS excuses that he is that way so it's okay doesn't wash with us folk, can't you see how many complaints are generally made? It's becoming so notoriously known that it's almost boring mentioning it. You guys set the standard here, NOT Gino, thank you.

:thumbsup I´m looking forward to this time. All who want will have perfect Darth Vader´s without any charlatan "magic tricks"-disturbances. And much faster as well.

 

[defstartrooper]

Here is the thing you seem to be missing...NOBODY CARES. Nobody cares what Brian is doing with his helmet. Everyone has said GINO was wrong for saying he was posting a run. Brian hasn't refuted this. Hell, none of what GINO has posted has come out to be a lie, now has it? Was it bad form? Sure it was. Was it dishonest? Well, the only one who can refute those claims is Brian and he has been surprisingly mum. So, if Brian doesn't care about GINO saying he has a run of his helmet going, why on Earth do you?
Who in the hell said one was good and the other not?

It's not the fact he said Brian maybe offering a run it's the fact that he alluded that Brian is making up provenence in order to sell helmets at an inflated price, that's the real accusation, he shouldn't be making Brians private busines public at all and if he's going to make claims that Brian is making up or wrong about the origins of his helmet he should back that up with some kind of reasoning which he hasn't.
Now why is it some people get infraction points and their threads locked for questioning the origins of GINO's helmets(if i remember correctly you were very vocal yourself in saying how out of order it was to question GINO in that thread) and yet GINO is free to make claims and basically call someone dishonest and get a free pass ?

You don't see that as double standards ?

 

[StarWars Collector]

Personally, I hope the mods stop giving Gino a free pass to speak to others in a certain tone and start encouraging him to conduct himself a little better on line as that's half the problem, without all this crap it makes for a better conversation. Someone needs to wake up here because most are sick of it and by him going unpunished makes the RPF staff look biased and weak because people aren't blind, an opinion shared by many I'm afraid. Curb his attitude if he can't and things will get better, all these BS excuses that he is that way so it's okay doesn't wash with us folk, can't you see how many complaints are generally made? It's becoming so notoriously known that it's almost boring mentioning it. You guys set the standard here, NOT Gino, thank you.

Well said indeed! thumbsup

Cheers my friend!

 

[skynet]

Attempt # 10: :lol

Summary of the facts -

- Brian did say that his friend told him personally that he was responsible for 2 or 3 castings during JEDI.

- GINO did say that this helmet isn't what Brian thinks.

Question:

Where are the reference pics of Brians helmet which would lead Gino to the conclusion that this isn't what Brian thinks? - I only saw the pics on the DEN and these pics aren't the best for using as a reference.

Gino's answers till now:

"I already said that"
"Believe me or not"


Rumours about a private list for a run on this helmet? Regarding the fact of selling chestboxes with an inflated price and then tell the owner what he is allowed and not allowed to do with it is nothing better.

The rules should be: Make a statement and back it up. Don't do it this way? - post deleted by mods.

 

[ArtisanProps]

Ya know what I see?

The same guys making the same argument about Gino in every thread he
posts in. The same guys derailing the theads, when they should be sticking to
the topic.. It's not like Gino is new or anything. You all know that Gino will
step in and give his thoughts, whether you disagree with him or not.. Take
the information at what it's worth and move the hell on....

Haven't any of you learned that persuing Gino with the same old fight only
ruins the thead for everybody? Take your argument to PM so the rest of
us can continue the discussion unabated....

One more thing I notice, is how some of you think gino is disrespectful, but in
the same voice you put the Mods of this forum down for allowing Gino to share
his thoughts..... I don't know about anyone else here, but I personally don't
want to hear members disrespecting the Mods in an open forum.. Take that
garbage to PM as well or go somewhere else to do it...... As far as I'm concerned,
Brian is man enough to stick up for himself and doesn't need attack dogs to
do it for him..............

And NO! I'm not anyones puppet or supporter. This is just my observation
after reading this mess......