I think most people are a little upset because they expected them to be like the real thing, but that didn't end up being the case.
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I think most people are a little upset because they expected them to be like the real thing, but that didn't end up being the case.
MRBATHINGAPE
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I wasn't expecting an exact copy... just nothing obviously flawed.
Risu
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This thread's growing too fast for me to keep up with, but I don't know what everybody's getting so butthurt about. These new ones are easily 100 times more accurate than the old ones, and they even have some electronics. It may not be perfect, but were any of you actually expecting the people that made the old Kmags to even put a single LED in these ones before the pictures came out? We're talking about a replica that's less than 10% the price of the originals here, you're getting several times your money's worth. And remember, Nike isn't producing these, it's a low quality company in China. I had a pair of the old Kmags and I would classify them as garbage. I'd put Mark's in the same category, but they were slightly better. The fact that the company even went so far as to make a single detail more accurate is impressive, but they went above and beyond with this release. Have some perspective.
Isn't any flaw to prop collectors obvious? :lol
I don't really see a problem with them either. Heck, I'm actually looking forward to modding them. That will be part of the fun of owning a pair. That you put your own personal touch in your footwear.
MRBATHINGAPE
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If I had the modding skills, I would. Unfortunately, I don't and have to expect a better replica.
Well then you can follow tutorials that people might make after the release. Be prepared to wait though if people decide to though.
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cavx
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I think I paid like $40 for my section of pipe. I used 250mm or 10" PVC pipe which has a wall thickness of 6mm (about 1/4"). You probably can't get it thinner, but you most certainly will get a thicker version. Mine is heavy as it is. The next size up that I could get was 300mm or 12".
I believe the real bag was 275mm or 11", so not sure if that is total or just the body. I will suggest a total including the tapered ends.
My 250mm bag fits in the carry on over head lockers on a plane
I don't know how you'd go with that slightly larger version. Anyway, overall length is about 500mm but there was talk about the bag being as long as 600mm and I think mine is 420mm. I would need to measure that.
Yes you get a few tube bags out of a full length. Assuming it is a neat $1000 for the 6m length, the price per meter is then $166.67. You need about half a meter per bag body and the same for the lids, so about 4x what I paid. This does not include the clear ends, glue, hardware etc.
So what I am wanting to do is heat form the body and lids and Vac Form the end caps. What I paid for a 2400 x 1200 sheet makes this project quite viable. The sections of pipe that I have would be used for bucks. I still need to make the ends from MDF to get the proper taper on them.
Well it depends on how you look at it. Anything not 100% could be considered flawed by some. Like what I have seen in the images and if the shoes I get look the same, I'll be pretty happy with that.
Exactly and well said.
joeyock
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I completely agree! I actually love these for the price and can't wait to get mine! I just don't like how there's confusion about now they might try to do EL and such when these are supposed to be already done. I just hope those of us who already paid for them dont end up getting something that gets improved on in a couple months and have to end up buying another pair... or in jedifyfe's case another 12 pairs :lol
And you don't see people making a big deal about MPs mags and they're even less accurate than these. AND you can get the V2s for cheaper!
MRBATHINGAPE
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I think I paid like $40 for my section of pipe. I used 250mm or 10" PVC pipe which has a wall thickness of 6mm (about 1/4"). You probably can't get it thinner, but you most certainly will get a thicker version. Mine is heavy as it is. The next size up that I could get was 300mm or 12".
I believe the real bag was 275mm or 11", so not sure if that is total or just the body. I will suggest a total including the tapered ends.
My 250mm bag fits in the carry on over head lockers on a plane
Anyway, overall length is about 500mm but there was talk about the bag being as long as 600mm and I think mine is 420mm. I would need to measure that.
Yes you get a few tube bags out of a full length. Assuming it is a neat $1000 for the 6m length, the price per meter is then $166.67. You need about half a meter per bag body and the same for the lids, so about 4x what I paid. This does not include the clear ends, glue, hardware etc.
So what I am wanting to do is heat form the body and lids and Vac Form the end caps. What I paid for a 2400 x 1200 sheet makes this project quite viable. The sections of pipe that I have would be used for bucks. I still need to make the ends from MDF to get the proper taper on them.
Well it depends on how you look at it. Anything not 100% could be considered flawed by some. Like what I have seen in the images and if the shoes I get look the same, I'll be pretty happy with that.
Exactly and well said.
So how much for 1 tube bag?
Risu
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Talk about a sense of entitlement.
TheNickFox is the only person I know of who tore down the V1 Kmags and the V2s seem to have identical toes. So TheNickFox, do you think it's possible to slim the toe without tearing the entire shoe apart?
Ah, the good old condescending newb-bashing. Since when has speculation regarding the final details of an upcoming product that has as high a level of anticipation as this one been an activity associated with newbs only, and worthy of such a condescending remark? Chill out yourself and let the speculation continue.
With v1 materials, toe slimming would be very difficult. The outer vinyl and the sheer amount of extra material they used in that area of the show makes precision work difficult and it added a lot of complexity and the rigidity of the skinning fabric of the toes that caused them to "dent" rather than realign to form a thinner toe profile.
I know this, because I actually tried it while tearing down my second shoe.
If the v2 materials are as I think they are, then it should be easier. It will require some patience, and won't be as easy as an MP conversion -- since the MP material is more like Neoprene and more likely to accept a new shape -- but a combination of a bit of material cutting and POSSIBLY a little heat should allow for the toe to be reformed.
...of course, without the shoes in hand, that's only my opinion.
-Nick
This is exactly what I thought as well.
With v1 materials, toe slimming would be very difficult. The outer vinyl and the sheer amount of extra material they used in that area of the show makes precision work difficult and it added a lot of complexity and the rigidity of the skinning fabric of the toes that caused them to "dent" rather than realign to form a thinner toe profile.
I know this, because I actually tried it while tearing down my second shoe.
If the v2 materials are as I think they are, then it should be easier. It will require some patience, and won't be as easy as an MP conversion -- since the MP material is more like Neoprene and more likely to accept a new shape -- but a combination of a bit of material cutting and POSSIBLY a little heat should allow for the toe to be reformed.
...of course, without the shoes in hand, that's only my opinion.
-Nick
Thanks for your help
cavx
Master Member
Mine cost me over $200 to build with no labor charges.
I don't honestly know at this stage. If my plan comes together, a tube bag (in black ABS with tint/clear ends) should cost about $100 + shipping. Shipping will be pricey because of the size of the thing even if I manage to keep the weight down.
I don't consider "newbie-ism" to be bound by a post count or a length of time. There are many old timers that still act like newbs, and people who have never been newbs even when they've had ONE post. It's a state of mind...and you don't have it. :lol
I was referring to the people engaging in the conversation that involved this line of thinking
[quote']"If they mod it more the price might go up...well the price went up so they must've modded it...what if what we're seeing is a separate shoe from the v2's...wait, since they've already modded it and this has gone to production (it hasn't) does that mean we're getting v3s..."[/quote]
It's all conjecture and circular logic based on misread statements from other members who don't have any inside information. I'm fine with speculation, but baseless guesses and wild assumptions only serve to further that discussion and raise up the expectations of people who don't know any better.
...and it's trumpeted by a VERY small, but VERY vocal group in this thread and I decided to use the term "Newb" as not to call out any one or two people in particular.
There is only one member here who has ANY claim to inside information and he's working his source like a champ for us, and we are indebted to him, I just want to stress caution because it's very easy -- when we're adding pages to this thread at an alarming rate -- to read something on one page, and once it's swallowed up by the post count, forget where you heard it. Then, 3 pages later, post it as fact or "theory" that you "remember hearing" and because no one will go back in this huge thread, they further the rumor leading to anxiety and disappointment for a product that only ever existed in people's imaginations.
Speculation is ENTIRELY fine, but it's ENTIRELY different from that scenario. So speculate away.
-Nick
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