New Star Wars films? set long after ROTJ.

[micdavis]

Except Anakin says "laser sword" which ruins that scene.

 

[OldKen]

Except Anakin says "laser sword" which ruins that scene.

T-totally.

I remember starting to get that feeling... the use of "laser sword" took me out of the SW universe and into a earthy american one. Instantly.

And I remember the first time I saw the scene vividly. thumbsdown

 

[jme3]

It's from the mind of a nine-year-old... What nine-year-old would know the difference between a "laser sword" and a "light saber"... ? I'll give him a pass on that one.

T-totally.

I remember starting to get that feeling... the use of "laser sword" took me out of the SW universe and into a earthy american one. Instantly.

And I remember the first time I saw the scene vividly. thumbsdown

 

[cboath]

If there are jedi, people have seen them and know the term is 'lightsaber'. The kid would only use 'laser sword' if that's what everyone around him called it. Kids pick up on what they hear. If the people around town called it a lightsabre, so would he. If the townsfolk called it a laser sword, so would he.

The ultimate irony is, to this date, in our world, the ONLY guy who calls it 'laser sword' is George.

 

[exoray]

This is one of those topics I fully agree with micdavis on and that is rare...

No matter what LFL does or doesn't do there will be whiners and complainers on one side with fawning fans on the other...

I just love how everyone says the prequels sucked, did I particularity care for them over the originals nope, but regardless of my opinion the fact remains they were ALL huge box office smashes followed by a huge franchise marketing successes... The younger generation loves the reboot, it's mostly the old guard that complain about days gone past... The hardly sucked, you just didn't like them, they were all huge movie successes...

If this it to happen I welcome a jump into the future time line where Lucas doesn't have to tie in the story already told, in fact I hope he distances it completely from the Skywalker's and for that matter all existing characters. make them all ancient history and tell a new story...

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

Whiners? Come on, now... we're detractors. Please! lol

 

[defstartrooper]

This is one of those topics I fully agree with micdavis on and that is rare...

No matter what LFL does or doesn't do there will be whiners and complainers on one side with fawning fans on the other...

I just love how everyone says the prequels sucked, did I particularity care for them over the originals nope, but regardless of my opinion the fact remains they were ALL huge box office smashes followed by a huge franchise marketing successes... The younger generation loves the reboot, it's mostly the old guard that complain about days gone past... The hardly sucked, you just didn't like them, they were all huge movie successes...

If this it to happen I welcome a jump into the future time line where Lucas doesn't have to tie in the story already told, in fact I hope he distances it completely from the Skywalker's and for that matter all existing characters. make them all ancient history and tell a new story...

Well that depends if you define a movie or anything else as good based on it's commercial success.
Personally i don't think one reflects the other.

For instance this " song " got to number one in the UK so lots of people had to buy it and therefore it's a commercial success, however i defy anyone to tell me it's a good record.

YouTube - Mr. Blobby Music Video

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

It makes ZERO difference who, writes, directs, or anything else with any new movies.

Some will love them, some will hate them.

This is a no-win situation for LFL.

It'll make a difference to the quality of the movies.

Who said anything about trying to please everyone? Sod that! What film-maker or artist ever bothered with that?

If the definition of a good film is that it pleases everyone, then ALL film-makers are in a no-win situation.

 

[exoray]

Well that depends if you define a movie or anything else as good based on it's commercial success.
Personally i don't think one reflects the other.

For instance this " song " got to number one in the UK so lots of people had to buy it and therefore it's a commercial success, however i defy anyone to tell me it's a good record.

YouTube - Mr. Blobby Music Video

LFL is a business that makes movies to make money thus yes a successful box office movie is a good movie... To believe otherwise is foolish making money equals good business, thus a movie that makes money is a good movie... Same with songs, the fact that you personally don't like it is simply your opinion, but the fact it was a 'good' and successful business venture...

 

[ave4uevoli]

It's from the mind of a nine-year-old... What nine-year-old would know the difference between a "laser sword" and a "light saber"... ? I'll give him a pass on that one.

Hmm- perhaps a 9 year old that has a midichlorian count that's higher than Yoda. I expected "the chosen one" to be a heck of a lot smarter and savy than the ******* kid who didn't contribute anything other than "cuteness" to nab the young audience.



I gotta say, I can see why George would want to make 3 more movies... It's pretty easy for him given the way he loves things to "rhyme" and history to repeat itself. I bet 10 bucks that hundreds of years later luke throughout the years got darker and darker, and started a new jedi order that had more similarities to the sith than the jedi. The emperor comes back due to cloned bodies of himself and takes over again, and the entire story repeats itself once again.

Leia and Han's decendents will most likely be the heros of the story...it seems very predictable

 

[defstartrooper]

LFL is a business that makes movies to make money thus yes a successful box office movie is a good movie... To believe otherwise is foolish making money equals good business, thus a movie that makes money is a good movie... Same with songs, the fact that you personally don't like it is simply your opinion, but the fact it was a 'good' and successful business venture...

Good is an opinion though, successs can be measured, good can't.
Unless of course you want to follow the consensus of opinion, now i don't claim everyone thought they were bad movies but the majority of people who i have seen express an opinion at best say they're rubbish to ok.

You can't tally peoples opinion on a movie from box office takings because they pay before they view and you can't get a refund if you dont enjoy the movie.
And lets face it most people would have gone to watch because they were SW movies and they sold on the back of the OT.

So yes by all means say they were a commercial success but dont tell me they're good because good is simply your opinion.

 

[exoray]

Good is an opinion though, successs can be measured, good can't.

Good is not an opinion when using it as a measure of business success, good and bad business ventures are in fact factually supported...

You are attempting to limit the definition of 'good' to opinions and that is beyond how the word is defined...

As I said they were good business that is a fact not opinion... Saying that is a was a good or bad movie based on the story, your likings or what not is an opinion, not so when it's used to describe it's success as a business venture...

The fact is you can argue 'good' on the level of story telling, likes or what not as not everyone will agree since it's an opinion... Truth is there are many that like the prequels, and to them it's good...

Not so when you measure 'good' as a description of it's commercial success, there are facts to back up it being 'good'...

 

[Solo4114]

Come on, man. When people say "It's a good movie" they aren't talking about "It was a highly successful financial venture." They're talking about their opinion of the film in terms of whether it was entertaining, or perhaps how technically well made they were.

 

[exoray]

Come on, man. When people say "It's a good movie" they aren't talking about "It was a highly successful financial venture." They're talking about their opinion of the film in terms of whether it was entertaining, or perhaps how technically well made they were.

That would be incorrect as I'm doing exactly what you say people don't do, thus invalidating your whole argument...

Good is not so narrowly defined, as to be able to totally ignore it's other meanings and definitions as if they don't exist, doing so is only turning a blind eye to fit your argument...

I define a good movie on two scales, one on it's commercial success, as I'm not foolish enough to believe it's anything more then business and a business that makes money is a good business...

I also define a good movie on what I like, but that would be my opinion of the movie...

Two definitions and uses for the word that apply in this situation... One option one factual...

 

[Solo4114]

Ok then. You're right.

 

[TheRealMcFly]

I see this argument made a lot. I don't buy it.

The films BECAME about Anakin and Luke when the prequels came out. Prior to that, the films were about an overall ensemble story. Luke was "the hero" in one sense, but the films focus on multiple different characters and plotlines. In ANH, you've got the focus on Ben, the droids, Leia, Han, Vader (not Anakin at that point), Tarkin, etc. You've got an emphasis on the everyday people involved in the universe, rather than "All Jedi, All the Time."

ESB is even more of an ensemble piece. Sure, much of the film focuses on Luke and his training, but it also takes lots of time to develop Leia and Han. And that, by the way, was all WELL before Leia was known to be Luke's sister (don't even TRY telling me the Hoth kiss happened when they knew about THAT).

ROTJ again focuses both on the Luke/Vader/Emperor storyline, but ALSO on the whole shield generator/death star assault thing.

Again, before the PT, the OT was an ensemble story. And even if the protagonist was Luke, (A) he wasn't a Jedi until the very end of ROTJ, and (B) the whole trilogy spent a LOT of time with "regular folks." By contrast, the PT basically could give a crap about them. All Jedi, All the Time.




The article goes to pains to point out why "no" means "yes." Hell, for all we know, the article is based on "leaked" rumors that are leaked to gauge fan interest. >shrug<

If anything the stories in STAR WARS are the droid's stories... and I believe I read in the Making of SW is what Lucas originally intended, though, obviously things change.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

If anything the stories in STAR WARS are the droid's stories... and I believe I read in the Making of SW is what Lucas originally intended, though, obviously things change.

Something like R2 being the sole watcher throughout all 6.

 

[Solo4114]

Yeah, I don't think you can even say that, though. I mean, R2 could conceivably be the "narrator" of the stories, so to speak, or the eyes of the stories, but....he's not in every scene, so then how do we explain the stuff where he doesn't appear?

I don't think they're any SINGLE character's "story" to the exclusion of the others. They're ensemble pieces where the whole group of characters gets a story. I mean, even the prequels operate this way. TPM opens with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan on the Trade Federation ship and Anakin doesn't even show up until halfway through the film. So how is TPM "Anakin's story" then? Even after he shows up, the focus is only partially on him. AOTC is the same. You have the storyline following Anakin and Padme, and the storyline involving Obi-Wan's detective work. And so on and so forth.

The big thing that changed between the OT and the PT was what KINDS of characters got the focus. In the OT, you had a fledgling Jedi and his retired Jedi tutor going up against Sith lords....but you also had a smuggler, his wookiee copilot, a tough-girl princess, the droids, a charming rogue who's trying to go straight and be a mining facility administrator, regular pilots, etc., etc.

In the PT, you have some Jedi, another princess/queen person, more Jedi, some Sith lords, a bounty hunter, more Jedi, oh, and a bunch of otherwise identical clones who only get sufficient screen time so that you know a live creature was in that ship that just blew up. And some more Jedi. Oh, and a Jamaican duck-lizard. The focus is decidedly on Jedi in the PT, although not necessarily Anakin.

That was a creative choice by Lucas, and while I get it on one level, I just find it boring. The Jedi themselves are dull and their dullness was NOT offset by interesting "normal" characters. There was no one comparable to Han, Lando, or even Wedge in the PT. All those positions were filled by....Jedi.

 

[Mandalorian Gunslingerr]

If there are jedi, people have seen them and know the term is 'lightsaber'. The kid would only use 'laser sword' if that's what everyone around him called it. Kids pick up on what they hear. If the people around town called it a lightsabre, so would he. If the townsfolk called it a laser sword, so would he.

The ultimate irony is, to this date, in our world, the ONLY guy who calls it 'laser sword' is George.

he might be worried that'll he accidentally sue himself by using the trademarked term "lightsaber" :lol

 

[Treadwell]

This reminds me of Luke calling Chewie's weapon a "crossbow" instead of "bowcaster" in ROTJ. But at least that word was EU (originated in the Brian Daley books). Lucas himself came up with "lightsaber". :lol