New Star Wars films? set long after ROTJ.

[Colin Droidmilk]

If he does do more, I want NO Jedi and NO lightsabers. I want Han pirate types. Enough with the sodding jedi schtick - it was only about 30 % of the mix of the OT. The preeks were just Jedi overkill, an out-of-balance steaming fest of endless boring holier-than-thou types in robes. Guinness was the only guy that ever really pulled it off. And even then it only worked because Ford was there as a foil.

 

[Solo4114]

If he does do more, I want NO Jedi and NO lightsabers. I want Han pirate types. Enough with the sodding jedi schtick - it was only about 30 % of the mix of the OT. The preeks were just Jedi overkill, an out-of-balance steaming fest of endless boring holier-than-thou types in robes. Guinness was the only guy that ever really pulled it off. And even then it only worked because Ford was there as a foil.

Precisely. The OT worked because it was an ensemble piece. It's fashionable now to say "Star Wars has always been about jedi." And that's true to a degree, but it wasn't JUST about Jedi, and those Jedi started out as freakin' farmboys.

 

[Wes R]

In the books it always sounded like there were only a moderate number of the jedi traveling around like the traveling lawmen in the old west, sort of the old style marshals or rangers. Suddenly with the new stuff there are thousands of jedi everywhere.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Precisely. The OT worked because it was an ensemble piece. It's fashionable now to say "Star Wars has always been about jedi." And that's true to a degree, but it wasn't JUST about Jedi, and those Jedi started out as freakin' farmboys.

That's it! I could never put my finger on just what is was that made me love the originals more than the prequels! Amazing how you can have that tingling feeling at the back of your neck, but not know just what it is!

When the 3D ones come out. I'll pass on the prequels, but IV - VI will draw me out.

 

[cayman shen]

For me it comes down to this: the Star Wars films are the story of Luke and Anakin Skywalker. Everything else is peripheral. Films that don't follow that arc are just so much EU in my opinion. It'll be like those awful Dune sequels set like 3000 years in the future.

Now, I like Clone Wars and many SW comics, but they're just extra stuff. The only SW that counts in my mind is the Skywalker saga. Without that, it's just a pointless exercise in exploring other characters set in the same universe. Why bother?

 

[nickytea]

So is everyone taking Lucasfilm's flat out denial of this as some kind of subterfuge? Everyone is talking like this is still happening.

 

[Solo4114]

For me it comes down to this: the Star Wars films are the story of Luke and Anakin Skywalker. Everything else is peripheral. Films that don't follow that arc are just so much EU in my opinion. It'll be like those awful Dune sequels set like 3000 years in the future.

Now, I like Clone Wars and many SW comics, but they're just extra stuff. The only SW that counts in my mind is the Skywalker saga. Without that, it's just a pointless exercise in exploring other characters set in the same universe. Why bother?

I see this argument made a lot. I don't buy it.

The films BECAME about Anakin and Luke when the prequels came out. Prior to that, the films were about an overall ensemble story. Luke was "the hero" in one sense, but the films focus on multiple different characters and plotlines. In ANH, you've got the focus on Ben, the droids, Leia, Han, Vader (not Anakin at that point), Tarkin, etc. You've got an emphasis on the everyday people involved in the universe, rather than "All Jedi, All the Time."

ESB is even more of an ensemble piece. Sure, much of the film focuses on Luke and his training, but it also takes lots of time to develop Leia and Han. And that, by the way, was all WELL before Leia was known to be Luke's sister (don't even TRY telling me the Hoth kiss happened when they knew about THAT).

ROTJ again focuses both on the Luke/Vader/Emperor storyline, but ALSO on the whole shield generator/death star assault thing.

Again, before the PT, the OT was an ensemble story. And even if the protagonist was Luke, (A) he wasn't a Jedi until the very end of ROTJ, and (B) the whole trilogy spent a LOT of time with "regular folks." By contrast, the PT basically could give a crap about them. All Jedi, All the Time.

So is everyone taking Lucasfilm's flat out denial of this as some kind of subterfuge? Everyone is talking like this is still happening.

The article goes to pains to point out why "no" means "yes." Hell, for all we know, the article is based on "leaked" rumors that are leaked to gauge fan interest. >shrug<

 

[HAL9000]

I bet Francis Ford Coppola is thrilled. He's still waiting for Lucas to pick up where he left off with American Graffiti and the first Apocalypse Now project. What can Coppola think of Lucas' output over the last ten years...? lol...

Funny you mention Coppola. George always said he was gonna' make
personal, strange, uncomercial movies after Star Wars wrapped.
"I've earned the right to fail" was his qualifier.

Conversely, francis is the one running out there with his HD camera's
and his young film school crews shooting those kind of movies.

Irony!

Episodes 7, 8 & 9 will happen. The likeness contracts for Carrie, Mark and
Harrison were signed a while ago now. They will be cgi mo-cap.

 

[joker-scar]

YES! lets get some real writers and directors on board..if this fudge **** ever happens...which i doubt, but then again the bad memories of episodes 1-3 still lingers in the spot in my mind where the bullet should have gone!

If this does turn out to be true, I hope there'll be either a competent writer penning the scripts, or plenty of No men to shoot down Lucas' when he puts bad ideas into his script.

But of course, that won't happen.

 

[reaper63]

If he does do more, I want NO Jedi and NO lightsabers. I want Han pirate types. Enough with the sodding jedi schtick - it was only about 30 % of the mix of the OT. The preeks were just Jedi overkill, an out-of-balance steaming fest of endless boring holier-than-thou types in robes. Guinness was the only guy that ever really pulled it off. And even then it only worked because Ford was there as a foil.

Amen my Friend. As stated elsewhere in this thread, You go from the feeling that the Jedi are the US Marshals in the Old west in the OT to having them become beat cops, one on every corner in the PT.

 

[Probe Droid]

 

[Trap Joe]

No, you're all wrong. It's always been TWELVE movies.

lol:lol

don´t underestimate the power of the dark side

 

[cboath]

lol:lol

don´t underestimate the power of the dark side

Episode's 10-12, the 'true' Revenge of the Sith!

 

[Mandalorian Gunslingerr]

I see this as always being a dividing line between fans and geeks(and i say that with the utmost respect)everywhere.....I grew up and became a devoted fan with the OT, but as I grew up, I tried to watch the PT with the same eyes that i saw the OT with. Were the prequels as good as the originals? No, but then again, movies weren't in the same place either....When ESB and ROTJ were coming out, my parents forbid me to read a 3 or 4 page spread in TIME about them because they didn't want to ruin any surprises for me, that was the only national coverage we had around here...these days you can hit a few buttons and know the inside info on any movie being made....The prequels lacked the magic and mystery that the OT had(except for the "romantic" scenes with Anakin and Padme in AOTC...gotta admit, those sucked),but nobody had ever seen anything like that at the time.....make no mistake, if i wanted to tear the PT apart for bad acting, annoying characters, and what could have been, it'd be easy to do, but then again, i'm still a middle aged 8 yr old that loves Star Wars...It makes me happy to share this with my nephew who's only 5, but loves the Star Wars Universe...He sees it like i saw it and still try to see it....He doesn't care if Han shot first, he doesn't care that Jar Jar is annoying, He doesn't even care that the Ewoks were probably roasting Stormtroopers at the post-victory banquet....if they want to make 3 more, go for it, because we would want to see and enjoy them for the escapism that they are, will they be The Greatest Movies Ever Made?...no....will they entertain, sell lots of toys, and have fast food tie ins?...yup...and i can live with that....

 

[Egon Spengler]

I wouldn't mind seeing it happen as long as George has about as much creative input as he did on Empire.

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

Y'see, what he needs to do is get someone who can write dialogue, like he did for the OT. Kenobi was the least boring jedi 'cos of the dialogue polish. There's a wonderful humour about Kenobi - 'oh, he's not dead yet' etc. followed by the glance heavenward which makes us care about him after only about a minute of screentime. Whether that all came from Guinness, or whether it was the Huycks or even Lucas, it's what's required in any further SW.

 

[OldKen]

Y'see, what he needs to do is get someone who can write dialogue, like he did for the OT. Kenobi was the least boring jedi 'cos of the dialogue polish. There's a wonderful humour about Kenobi - 'oh, he's not dead yet' etc. followed by the glance heavenward which makes us care about him after only about a minute of screentime. Whether that all came from Guinness, or whether it was the Huycks or even Lucas, it's what's required in any further SW.

This is the best post I've read on the RPF in a long time... a LONG time.

Seriously. thumbsup

 

[ssdesigner]

This is the best post I've read on the RPF in a long time... a LONG time.

Seriously. thumbsup

This is VERY true....but also, Lucas was on a TIGHT budget. He didn't have the money for re-take after re-take after re-take....and I think that because of the $$ constraint he had to rely on his actors a LOT more than he did in the PT. It's not like he had crappy actors in the PT! Sheesh, they are top notch....that is, if you let them DO what they DO!!!

That IMHO, was where things went seriously awry

-Ss

 

[micdavis]

It makes ZERO difference who, writes, directs, or anything else with any new movies.

Some will love them, some will hate them.

This is a no-win situation for LFL.

 

[ssdesigner]

Y'see, what he needs to do is get someone who can write dialogue, like he did for the OT. Kenobi was the least boring jedi 'cos of the dialogue polish. There's a wonderful humour about Kenobi - 'oh, he's not dead yet' etc. followed by the glance heavenward which makes us care about him after only about a minute of screentime. Whether that all came from Guinness, or whether it was the Huycks or even Lucas, it's what's required in any further SW.

I just have to add this....there was one moment in The Phantom Menace where I felt like I did when Guinness did his look to the heavens. It was this exchange:

Anikan: You're a jedi, aren't you?
Qui-Gon: What makes you think that?
Anikan. Your lightsaber. Only jedi cary those weapons.
Qui-Gon: Maybe I killed a jedi and took it from him.

When Qui-Gon said "Maybe I killed a jedi and took it from him" it almost seemed ad-libbed. It was a great line, delivered so coy, so casual. The PT needed much more of this type of dialogue.

-Ss