Shade88
Sr Member
I surrender the duel, lol. You make a good point. I was distracted by school, so I posted without thinking it through.:facepalm
New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*
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I surrender the duel, lol. You make a good point. I was distracted by school, so I posted without thinking it through.:facepalm
Jenna Louise Coleman is hot but she still can't save a show that has terrible poorly though out concepts such as;
1. Having your soul uploaded to the internet is poor sci-fi but made worse by the fact that there was no direct interface between the human subject, nothing to actually facilitate the upload. Are we really supposed to believe that being surrounded by this wi-fi that you can simply be uploaded.
2. In lastnight's episode the Doctor and Clara flew through space without any kind of life support gear, no helmet/oxygen tank. Even Tennant donned a space suit when he had to face that Satan thing.
Doctor Who is at best fantasy there is no basis in real science for most of things that take place on the show.
"On your marks get set terrible."
1. Having your soul uploaded to the internet is poor sci-fi but made worse by the fact that there was no direct interface between the human subject, nothing to actually facilitate the upload. Are we really supposed to believe that being surrounded by this wi-fi that you can simply be uploaded.
2. In lastnight's episode the Doctor and Clara flew through space without any kind of life support gear, no helmet/oxygen tank. Even Tennant donned a space suit when he had to face that Satan thing.
Doctor Who is at best fantasy there is no basis in real science for most of things that take place on the show.
"On your marks get set terrible."
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
1. No more ridiculous than Tinkerbell/***** Ten in "Last of the Time Lords."
2. Previously it's been shown that the TARDIS shields can be extended to allow someone to be outside the box entirely and still breathe. I just chalked the space moped up to the same sort of tech.
It's a show about a shape-shifting alien with a box that's bigger on the inside that travels through space and time. Of course it's fantasy, not hard science fiction.
2. Previously it's been shown that the TARDIS shields can be extended to allow someone to be outside the box entirely and still breathe. I just chalked the space moped up to the same sort of tech.
It's a show about a shape-shifting alien with a box that's bigger on the inside that travels through space and time. Of course it's fantasy, not hard science fiction.
It is entertainment, purely and simply Saturday evening family entertainment. So its for Kids. And Big Kids .So, no rigorous scientific facts, credible story lines, deep characters and themes. Its just pantomime, full of crash ,bang, its behind you fun and that's it. Hard sci fi just doesn't work that way. But they didn't half manage to get a few quotes from Bladerunner in there last night. My favorite was "Home again home again jiggered jig".
cboath
Master Member
What was it that moffat said? Something along the lines of JLC's character will change dr who forever? Sounds like a good reason why the tardis may not translate for her.
On that subject, was it ever said how long that effect takes to kick in? She's been on board minutes at this point.
On that subject, was it ever said how long that effect takes to kick in? She's been on board minutes at this point.
and here I thought I'd come to the RPF to read all the complaints about the rampant sonicing. But the translator??? Who cares! 
I liked it. Susan shout out was cool. My daughter loved all the creatures. Really digging the 'doc's new outfit and the console room.
Maybe Clara is #12. Something about the leaf being Chapter 1 and this being their first adventure together made me think of that. Pretty thin, I admit...
I liked it. Susan shout out was cool. My daughter loved all the creatures. Really digging the 'doc's new outfit and the console room.
Maybe Clara is #12. Something about the leaf being Chapter 1 and this being their first adventure together made me think of that. Pretty thin, I admit...
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Careful... I was nearly castrated for saying this a couple months ago!
The KEY to Doctor Who is understanding that it's NOT Science Fiction and it's not trying to be real, it's trying to tell an entertaining story. It's Fantasy wrapped in a loose "Sci-Fi" wrapper. If you put any more into it than that, "You're gonna have a bad time".
greatwazoo42
Master Member
You missed the cloaked robot thingy that actually shows up and brain drains the victims then? Linking to the weird signal name in the wireless alerts the Great Intelligence Corp to you. They then dispatch that little robot thingy to suck your grey matter dry at short range. To some the "soul" is the sum of our experiences in this life. It was touched on in 5 Doctors "a man is the sum of his memories, you know. A Time Lord even more so."
Seconded.
I hate to say it, being a worshiper of red heads, but dropping Amy and Rory and adding Clara seems to have brought back that missing element that made Classic Who and New Who work perfectly for me. The Amy/Rory stuff felt like watching a spin off of Doctor Who to me where the Doctor was the secondary character. I'll admit that Amy being played by one of the most beautiful red heads of her generation and both Amy and Rory being portrayed by exceptionally skilled actors made it a much easier pill to swallow. Still, with Clara in the Tardis now and mystery being back in Who on several levels I feel that the show has come back to what made it work in the first place.
Now I just need to find a seamstress/tailor to make me the Doc's new coat in my size...
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Just lay back and think of England my dear...
Angelus Lupus
Sr Member
Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey... It's the only answer that works
Risu
Master Member
I prefer to forget about that whole universe rebooting nonsense. That was one of Moffat's many stupid mistakes early on, trying to make the show his own, and it pretty much ruined the show for me for two years. It's finally back on track, let's just roll with it.
I wasn't a fan of the waistcoat being worn with the jeans in photos, but it actually looks like it works on screen. The fabric they used is really great, too. We need to track that one down.
I wasn't a fan of the waistcoat being worn with the jeans in photos, but it actually looks like it works on screen. The fabric they used is really great, too. We need to track that one down.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Agreed. I think people are taking the "rebooting" the universe far too literally.
Primrodo
Sr Member
The universe being rebooted does NOT mean that the incarnations were not there as well, nor does it not mean that it had not already happened, and 11 was just the one who noticed.
No more head-achy than how many times things got changed via modern day England and various invasions happening only to not years later.
No more head-achy than how many times things got changed via modern day England and various invasions happening only to not years later.
No more crazy than the neural relays from Silence in the Library/Forest of the Damned. In fact, I was waiting for 11 to say something like "You can't have this technology yet...you shouldn't have neural relays until the 23rd century at least. Where did you get this from?" But I did not...even so, it's not like it's a technology we haven't seen before.
...that and the spoonhead robots do the uploading with a beam, not wifi.
There was also an entire civilization of people living on the rings and they rented out those mopeds for venturing out INTO the rings, so it would seem there was some sort of atmosphere, natural or generated.
Personally, I'm loving the new series. (Well, the JLC episodes, since we're still technically in series 7) I just hope they don't make her "too important."
Rose for me was a great companion for me because she was just a normal girl amazed by everything she saw -- she was basically us on the TARDIS -- and it wasn't until the end of her tenure that she became more confident and powerful. Amy had no such arc. She started out fierce and tenacious and just stagnated there. There was no room for growth.
I like that Clara found a way to help the Doctor last night, but I just hope that she doesn't ALWAYS have to rush to his defense and that she gets a chance to just be awestruck for a bit...as we all would be.
-Nick
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Fourth Doctor, in Robots of Death (Part 2). One of the sandminer crewmembers claims it’s impossible to override the robots’ programming. The Doctor responds, “Bumblebees. Terran insects. Aerodynamically impossible for them to fly, but they do it. I’m rather fond of bumblebees.”
There was also a quote along the lines of "just because you can't do it doesn't mean other's can't."
Basically if something seems impossible to you it is only because it is something out of your frame of reference. The more science learns of other planetary systems the more they're realizing how weird and unique every one of them is. Add to that technology that makes the impossible possible. You can accurately describe a smart phone to someone in 1950's sci-fi speak as a device which links you into a knowledge base spanning all available human information as well as allows you to communicate instantly to anyone with a similar device.
That fact that we mostly use them to complain about things, argue with people we've never actually met and look at pictures of cats and naked people can be left off to the side for the moment while they ponder though.
There was also a quote along the lines of "just because you can't do it doesn't mean other's can't."
Basically if something seems impossible to you it is only because it is something out of your frame of reference. The more science learns of other planetary systems the more they're realizing how weird and unique every one of them is. Add to that technology that makes the impossible possible. You can accurately describe a smart phone to someone in 1950's sci-fi speak as a device which links you into a knowledge base spanning all available human information as well as allows you to communicate instantly to anyone with a similar device.
That fact that we mostly use them to complain about things, argue with people we've never actually met and look at pictures of cats and naked people can be left off to the side for the moment while they ponder though.
Jedi2016
Sr Member
They did bring up one point about Clara in this one. In the Doctor's speech to Merry about how all the events in all the universe came together in just such a way as to wind up as her. That there's never been another Merry before, and never will be again.
And yet there have been no fewer than three Clara Oswin Oswalds. The question is "why?" Why does the Universe keep bringing this one up again and again?
As for the atmosphere question: When they first arrived, they were using the TARDIS's shield and extended atmosphere. The inhabited planetoids have an artificial atmosphere, since they would be otherwise incapable of supporting a natural one. Therefore, such technology would obviously be applicable to transportation as well.. the "moped" had it's own locally-generated atmosphere.
Doctor Who absolutely pushes the "fiction" in science fiction. I fail to see why they have to explain absolutely every detail to the audience. Would it really have made everyone feel that much better if the Doctor had specifically stated, on screen, taking up valuable screen time, that the moped had it's own atmo shield?
And yet there have been no fewer than three Clara Oswin Oswalds. The question is "why?" Why does the Universe keep bringing this one up again and again?
As for the atmosphere question: When they first arrived, they were using the TARDIS's shield and extended atmosphere. The inhabited planetoids have an artificial atmosphere, since they would be otherwise incapable of supporting a natural one. Therefore, such technology would obviously be applicable to transportation as well.. the "moped" had it's own locally-generated atmosphere.
Doctor Who absolutely pushes the "fiction" in science fiction. I fail to see why they have to explain absolutely every detail to the audience. Would it really have made everyone feel that much better if the Doctor had specifically stated, on screen, taking up valuable screen time, that the moped had it's own atmo shield?
Can't believe this is an issue. Precedent was set over 3 decades ago for helmet-less space mopeds.
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