Maybe Tharl Robomen? I don't really think that was the intention, but like you say, it would be cool!
Yep. I love it when they explore Dalek past. The Thals, the Kaleds, etc...
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Yep. I love it when they explore Dalek past. The Thals, the Kaleds, etc...
On a side note, my kids LOVED this last episode (due in no small part to the Dinosaurs I'm sure). They want to watch it again tonight. :lol
greatwazoo42
Master Member
:thumbsup My son is becoming a Whovian himself. He's asked to watch sometimes but most of the time when we put it on to watch it ourselves he stops playing with what ever he's playing with and comes over to watch it with us.
He also loved the dinosaurs too. Mind you, he wants one as a pet now. :facepalm
Last night was the first #11 ep my 3yr old daughter watched. She loves #4 and has seen some of #10 and knows through the figures that there are many doctors. It was a great ep for kids! It had everything she loves: robots, dinosaurs, spaceships, laser beams, the sonic screwdriver (she had hers in her hand the whole ep), and the doc!
It was a nice break for me from watching Robots of Death over and over and over again.
It was a nice break for me from watching Robots of Death over and over and over again.
Primrodo
Sr Member
Kaleds, Thals, Time Lord etc look like Humans...No need for Solomon to be Human per se...and there is no change in any moral code... He's been the cause of Humans dying before.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
He killed plenty of Daleks, but did he kill any Kaleds? Is he directly responsible for the death of the Master in any episode? Or any Time Lords? He never killed any Thals, that was the Kaled or Dalek work. Seriously. Can anyone cite a time the Doctor killed a Human being directly through action, not simply inaction, but actually anything like locking a person in a ship and setting on it a target beacon that is drawing missiles to the guy? Even a being that looked exactly like a human? I wonder if it's more censorship of the BBC that the Doctor couldn't take a life like that, but 'aliens' were okay to kill. I want a SPECIFIC example of an instance.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Well he did end the Time War by killing all the Daleks AND Time Lords…
He killed ALL of them...
My kids both started when they were 2 years old. :lol Hooked ever since!
Again though, he left him to the same fate he would have had should the Doctor had never been there after giving him multiple ways out throughout the episode.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
Well, technically locked them in a bubble of Time they can never escape. They aren't technically dead.
I doubt Solomon was human. Humanoid, sure. As I ponder it, I think the move was well within character for the Doc. I think no one is used to seeing #11 act like that. But he is the same person and the Doc has MAJOR blood on his hands. Genocide all over the place. But for the sake of argument let's stick to human(oid) deaths by Doctor.
Face of Evil - the Doctor flips a horde on a man who runs off screaming. If it didn't kill him it probably wounded him to the point where his lifespan was drastically shortened.
Vengeance On Varos - he kills a couple guards. Iffy. Fight next to a vat of acid. He gloats about it after.
The Two Doctors - #6 kills Shockeye. Admittedly not human, but humanoid.
Brain of Morbius - Doctor creates cyanide and kills Solon by venting it into his lab. Solon is human and a brilliant scientist taboot.
The 9th doctor stood and watched the last human ever explode.
To let Solomon live would be to condemn all sorts of innocents to death or slavery. And he did give him plenty of ways out.
No problem here.
Face of Evil - the Doctor flips a horde on a man who runs off screaming. If it didn't kill him it probably wounded him to the point where his lifespan was drastically shortened.
Vengeance On Varos - he kills a couple guards. Iffy. Fight next to a vat of acid. He gloats about it after.
The Two Doctors - #6 kills Shockeye. Admittedly not human, but humanoid.
Brain of Morbius - Doctor creates cyanide and kills Solon by venting it into his lab. Solon is human and a brilliant scientist taboot.
The 9th doctor stood and watched the last human ever explode.
To let Solomon live would be to condemn all sorts of innocents to death or slavery. And he did give him plenty of ways out.
No problem here.
Primrodo
Sr Member
That wasn't my point. My point was that simply because he LOOKED Human, did not mean that he was. There are countless examples of "Aliens" that look just like us, but are not in fact Humans.
As for out rightly killing someone, and not through inaction...thats particularly what he did here was it not? Giving Solomon's ship the item being targeted while saving everyone else is not holding a gun to the man's head any more than Rodrik when he became Dalek fodder.
Direct killing though? How about the Sycorax leader. Purposely threw the orange and sent him plummeting to his death. Unless you mean specifically Human-looking? In which case, what does it matter? In this case we have no idea if Solomon is human or not, and even if he was, there is enough precedence.
Was it horrible of him to sentence the man to death, after giving him numerous chances to help and work with them? No more than the same chances he cave the Racnoss, before wiping them from existence.
Was it a bit too direct? Sure, but no more than a well aimed shot to kill the Sycorax.
Just checked - The doc also kills a Tesh (humanoid) outright in hand to hand combat.
Given enough time I bet I could find a bunch.
Given enough time I bet I could find a bunch.
Nope. Killed all of them, they burned (by his own confession) and THEN he locked the entire planet into a time lock so that no Time Lord before or after could interfere.
Hell, he almost killed a caveman in cold blood in the very first episode!
Yep. If it weren't for them damn kids...
As far as Solomon being human...The robots belonged to him & they said they had been on the ship for "2 millennia". I took that to mean so had Solomon. He had only recently been attacked by the raptors.
OMG... He's a Time Lord!!! :lol
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