New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*

[Risu]

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Yea, this is getting weird. The little girl is definitely Amy's daughter and she's definitely a Timelord. Worst case scenario she's River and the Doctor's been making out with his own daughter. Best case scenario, Amy cheated on Rory. Moffat's turned Who into a soap opera, great.

 

[Megamicrofish]

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I don't think the Doctor is Rivers father.
I think it has something to do with the Tardis, or Amy IS the Tardis
TARDIS Adventures
In the first episode when we see the older Amy she was wearing a police uniform (possible clue)

 

[Angelus Lupus]

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Ok, what we know: (I make no conclusions, just listing stuff)
River can die, a normal death without seeming to start a regeneration.
The child is definitely regenerating
The doctor already has a daughter who regenerated.
River called the Doctor "my old man" which is slang but confusingly can either mean dad or husband... but she snogged him so unless Moffat is giving us incest then that rules out the dad/daughter thing
Amy is/isn't pregnant. Seems to be in flux. Either the baby isn't registering properly, or the event of the pregnancy isn't certain I may be going to have happened - if I use the past-conditional-future tense

 

[protokev DMD]

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You forget...River wouldnt have regenerated in the library even if she had the capacity. She tells the Doctor something like "And dont think you'll regenerate..."

So my theory

River is Amys and Rorys daughter. The "my old fella" line was said with rory in the background. The reason she regenerates is due to Amy being a time traveler/possible influence from the silence.

River and Doctor hatch a plan and save the doctor from his certain fate

 

[Force Commander]

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I think, based on other snippets, that the girl may be... Romana. I hope that she is.

 

[Angelus Lupus]

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FYI: I was browsing the episode page on the official site and noticed under the 'fourth dimension' section that one word in each paragraph was in italics
Put together they read "We found your message! You're alive! But what d'you mean, my friend?"

Edit: Checking the previous episode there's a hidden message that says "All the secrets you seek can be found here"

 

[Birdie]

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After watching tonight's episode, I leave the bigger questions (trying to avoid major spoilers) to you guys and pose the following.

Why are Rory, River and Amy being hunted by the CIA at the start of the second episode, since they are working for Nixon? Couldn't figure that one out...

What happened to the little girl, directly after Amy shot at her in the warehouse at the end of Impossible Astronaut? How did they lose her again in the warehouse?

Since the Doctor checks that The Silence don't use weaponry before turning mankind against them with the moon landing subliminal meassage, how come we saw one of them vaporize a woman in the Whitehouse bathroom last week?

If River's timeline is going in the opposite direction to the Doctor's, how come she has the Vortex Manipulator from Pandorica?

Answers on a postcard...

Did I miss something, haven't had a lot of chance to absorb these latest epis.?

 

[Effingham]

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Same reason I don't like the rumored idea of River being his future wife.

Yeah, but that's not ALL she is. Spoilers are out there, and those who like to dig already know who she is. Who she *really* is.

A hint?

Spoiler

It's already been mentioned in passing, but no one on the show realizes it yet.

All of which makes it a phenomenal :confused -- and a VERY intriguing idea.

 

[Larry Young]

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Why are Rory, River and Amy being hunted by the CIA at the start of the second episode, since they are working for Nixon? Couldn't figure that one out...

I thought that was part of the plan; Canton was faking the hunt to arrange it so he could smuggle their "bodies" into the Area 51 containment cell so they could reunite with the Doctor and his invisible TARDIS in the molecular prison.

 

[Kerr Avon]

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I thought that was part of the plan; Canton was faking the hunt to arrange it so he could smuggle their "bodies" into the Area 51 containment cell so they could reunite with the Doctor and his invisible TARDIS in the molecular prison.

But why would he even have to be in the prison to begin with, since he's working with Nixon? The whole beginning of this episode was entirely pointless and unnecessary. It was quite frankly dumb. The only thing that possibly could have been the point is to make a 'perfect jail' to hold one of the Silence, but we don't really see them as being escape artists or anything.

Also, I realized what bothered me about the last episode, and this. WHY doesn't the US Government know about the Doctor? He was instrumental in stopping multiple alien invasions, and the US doesn't even hear from their most important ally, the UK, about an alien who saved the planet multiple times and his blue box? Just bad writing. They'd have gotten that info through spy information if nothing else.

I was amused by the Doctor being responsible for Nixon's downfall, making him 'record everything' that he does. Especially amusing since the Doctor didn't like him. Tacking on the 'yes he's gay' thing was also just too much. Okay, we get it.

The only thing out of the entire episode worth it was seeing the little girl start to regenerate.

 

[Kerr Avon]

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Since the Doctor checks that The Silence don't use weaponry before turning mankind against them with the moon landing subliminal meassage, how come we saw one of them vaporize a woman in the Whitehouse bathroom last week?

The Doctor yells at River to not let them build up to full power. Apparently the Silence take a bit to charge up the ability to do that vaporization attack. So they can attack, but their personal attack is slow to use, much slower than River's meson blaster.

 

[Kerr Avon]

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Something also unresolved:

The door to the little girl's room. It had a hatch with a woman with a 'futuristic' eyepatch on who said 'no, I think she's just dreaming' Once the hatch closed, it was gone. What the hell was with that?

 

[Risu]

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I'm sure that was a setup for a much later episode.

Something also unresolved:

The door to the little girl's room. It had a hatch with a woman with a 'futuristic' eyepatch on who said 'no, I think she's just dreaming' Once the hatch closed, it was gone. What the hell was with that?

 

[E-Wan]

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Moffat's turned Who into a soap opera, great.

Seriously? Didn't RTD do that 5 seasons ago? :lol

 

[DuneMuadDib]

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Seriously? Didn't RTD do that 5 seasons ago? :lol

Of course not, because all of Ten's angst over losing Rose, Martha's angst over Ten not liking her back and Jack's similar angst wasn't soap opera-ish at all :wink

Honestly, there's no way River is related to the Doctor in ANY biological capacity.

Also for the record, Jenny didn't regenerate. At least not in the traditional sense as her appearance didn't change, so she most likely tapped the regeneration energies without actually regenerating...somehow (meta-crisis half-human Doctor?). Jenny's not the Doctor's only offspring though, unless Susan Foreman is not actually his granddaughter.

 

[JBReplicas]

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The little girl, when she appeared later in the childrens home had a crack in her visor, presumably from where Amy shot at her, I'm guessing that the clip from later in the series showing Rory inside the 9th/10th Doctors TARDIS interior is actually from inside the regenerating girls TARDIS, she said 'I'm dying, but its alright' so she knew she was going to regenerate I think

 

[carl9149]

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I think that the beginning of episode 2 was for the benefit of the silence people. Since they are everywhere the only way they come together and get a plan of action was to show an elaborate way of coming together. And since there was no way of getting into the prison built, it would be the best place for them to all come together, out of the silence way. Maybe?

 

[Force Commander]

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Watched both episodes again last night. Still too many unanswered questions and a lot of red herrings.

As to why they are fleeing the FBI at the beginning of the episode, that seems to be due to the Silence. They appear to have used their subliminal control to affect those immediate FBI members at hand and made the gang fugitives. The question is why didn't it work on Canton Everett Delaware III?

 

[Asp9mm]

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This new series really doesn't know what the target audience is. It's too complicated and clever for it's own good and has ruined all viewing for my little one who is 5. And it's still too immature to be aimed at an older audience. I had high hopes for Moffat and Smith, but neither of them are working for me. I just don't care about it anymore.

 

[letmebestormy]

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I liked it. I like television that doesn't spoon feed you answers. As with the last 30+ years of DW I have more fun thinking about it that I do watching it....which is quite a lot of fun. I thought the first kiss/last kiss was pretty poignant.

Of all the questions the two parter raised for me, high on the list is:

Where is River imprisoned where the guards think America is a planet?

The sign behind the Tardis next to her cell said "SC106" or something like that.

Two things my imagination have come up with:

1) Sinda Callesta is the planet the Doc and Amy were headed to when they ended up on Earth in "The Lodger" (which was referenced last night).

2) maybe "SC106" stands for "Shada Cell 106". Shada is the prison planet of the Time Lords. It's also the great unfinished episode of Whodom written by Douglas Adams. and involves Romana II. If Moffat was waxing poetic about dipping into the past in the Whoniverse I could see him thinking a continuation of the Shada story was sexy.

Re: the Doc not being "known" on Earth - it's been established now that in "present day" Earth he is quite well known by most of the planet. But, back in '69 his interference (to quote the Time Lords) was pretty much either local or covered up by UNIT I'd imagine, or even pre-UNIT. Still, one might postulate the President of the USA might have a dossier entitled "What To Do Should You See a Blue Box". I'm sure the Queen had that.