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They may not have shared the fact with the American President as the Doctor was Banished to Earth at that time. They had him well in had so to speak.
You could almost make the conclusion that they could not wrap their heads around the fact that he would regenerate to become a different persona as that is too incredible.
America was in the space race and knowing about the doctor at that time would have, without a doubt, interfered with the time line.

I did not enjoy or like the first two episodes this season. I hope it get's better.
Mobius
 
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River is a prisoner in the Storm Cage facility, we don't really know where it is but I think its deep space
 
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It's also in the 51st century, so maybe old Earth names for nations have been forgotten, or re-used as other planets were colonised?
 
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They may not have shared the fact with the American President as the Doctor was Banished to Earth at that time. They had him well in had so to speak.


Not that it will likely be linked, but the episode "Blink" was written by Moffat too. It had the Doctor and Martha stuck in...1969....without a TARDIS, and got Sally Sparrow to help bring it back in time.

Coincidence that this was the only episode in the 2007 series written by Moffat and that is was in 1969?

Blink (Doctor Who) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheers,

Guy
 
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Its a show that is ultimatly made for children. I doubt that half of them could have figured out what was going on last night.

I disagree. There's no way that it's written for children, but instead for sci-fi fans. Doctor Who may appear campy at times, especially the older series and moments of RTD's writing.

BSG was sci-fi as well, but what classifies that as not being for kids? Where does one draw the line between old episodes of Lost In Space versus those shows which attempt to touch upon darker and more adult themes within the same genre?

There were episodes by RTD that I don't think were okay for kids, but on the whole they were okay. I doubt many kids could follow some of the multi-season stories and such, but I could be wrong. I'm just happy that there's a sci-fi series out there, which lasts more than two seasons, that has a story arc that gives a character a defined purpose and limits. I'd rather take one long theme over many episodes that have no connection or overall purpose.
 
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I couldn't understand what the Silence guy was saying when he was broadcasted during the moon landing. Can anyone help me out?
 
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Moffat's ten times the writer RTD was. The genre components serve the characters and story, rather than having a story that only thinly exists to further more sci-fi concepts as RTD's seemed to do.

Anyone who says children wouldn't be able to follow it is insulting children. Kids today are growing up with interactive, vast non-linear narratives. Moffat's playful use of narrative hijinks will be no problem for them.
 
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Moffat's ten times the writer RTD was. The genre components serve the characters and story, rather than having a story that only thinly exists to further more sci-fi concepts as RTD's seemed to do.

Anyone who says children wouldn't be able to follow it is insulting children. Kids today are growing up with interactive, vast non-linear narratives. Moffat's playful use of narrative hijinks will be no problem for them.

Agreed. I teach high school kids, and many are Doctor Who fans and love the stories. My response above was more to the series being geared for children. I don't think it's made for someone younger than 10, honestly. Knowing the ability of kids to follow the story is not something I'm familiar with, so I can only comment on those ages that I deal with on a daily basis.

EDIT: IronCustomer: It was what was recorded, something like "should kill us all on sight" or along those lines.
 
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The MOST IMPORTANT reveal last night was that Canton removed any
subtly and stated he is gay. :D
Nixon: "This person you want to marry...black?"
Canton: "Yes."
Nixon: "I know what people think of me, but perhaps I am a little more liberal...
Canton interrupting: "He is."

Nothing else matters cause the whole show and all the plot lines were
were just about getting to that declaration. ;)

This all gets back to Matt Smith who just played gay for BBC Two's
Christopher and His Kind in the U.K,
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because the gays are taking over, speaking as one myself.

On a more serious note, I found it interesting that I am still not sure
whether or not Rory is "plastic" since he remembers the 2000 years
waiting for Amy per the Doctor's questions to him last night. Maybe
all those memories fused when the Doctor set things right and sealed
the cracks?!?!

I tend to think it is River in the space suit at the beginning,
because of all the reasons already stated in this thread.
I find it interesting that when she kissed the Doctor
back at the prison near the end of the episode she commented after
the Doctor stated, "There is a first time for everything," she responded
(after he closed the door) "And a last."

I also really like the idea of her shooting at herself from the beach, too.

Of course, I am usually wrong when it comes to Doctor Who and outcomes.

I did love this two parter!

Oh, and off topic, @0neiros, we'll have to disagree about Dumbledore.
The point is not to make him gay retroactively, which I don't think JK did,
it is simply a statement that adds insight and a little bit of inclusion for
a group that had been rendered largely invisible in mainstream culture
until Stonewall and unfortunately the AIDS epidemic started breaking
down the closet doors.

We've reached a point now where inclusion is just what it is...
If you want to call that "spot the gay," then fine, as someone who
is old enough to remember not seeing any gay character on
any show, ever, for my first 15 years of life, fine. (And only having
Steven on Dynasty at the age of 16 was hardly a reason for celebration.)


This is the first openly stated gay character in Moffat's
time heading up Doctor Who. One character after an entire season is not
too much. What did you do to play "spot the gay" all last year?
Heck, the episode where the Doctor first encountered the Silence's
abandoned technology upstairs back in season one,
it would be hilarious if the guy living downstairs was gay.
Having the doctor as the new roommate could have added all kinds of fun and tension
in the relationship of that couple.

"Not every show has to have someone who is gay, or black, or asian etc. etc. etc."

If it is going to reflect reality, then at least 3% of the characters on every show
could be gay. There seems like there are more than that on some shows, but
not every show, because heck, we're just more entertaining that you str8s! ;)




Oh Please, he could be just be making a statement about changing his mind about getting married. Not every show has to have someone who is gay, or black, or asian etc. etc. etc. One of the funniest retro making someone gay to me was Dumbledore. Yeah, Yeah he's gay...that's the ticket, I meant for you to figure it out. it's not relevant in the least to the story.

BTW, Rory is HUMAN, the entire universe was set straight thanks to Amy. If Rory were plastic, she wouldn't be pregnant, as he'd be a walking condom. This will add an interesting dimension to the show, because like in Kill Bill II, she can't be as daring and cavalier, as she now has to think about protecting that life inside of her.
 
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I couldn't understand what the Silence guy was saying when he was broadcasted during the moon landing. Can anyone help me out?

It was a bit hard to understand, but it was "You should kill us on sight." Leaving a post hypnotic suggestion to kill all Silence when people see them, making them have to evacuate the Earth.
 
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It was a bit hard to understand, but it was "You should kill us on sight." Leaving a post hypnotic suggestion to kill all Silence when people see them, making them have to evacuate the Earth.

Yeah--I'm pretty sure it was "You should kill us all on sight"
 
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I'm growing pretty tired of every Moffat episode ending with a bunch of 'what? why? how?' questions, half of which never seem to get resolved. It's fine having big mysteries to ponder, but every Moffat story seems to get more messy and convoluted. It's Dr Who, not Lost, Steve...

That said, I enjoyed these episodes a lot more than the horrible, syrupy Christmas outing. I just hope Moffat really can pull all the strands together without disappearing up his own timey-wimey stuff. Tbh, though, I'm not holding my breath.
 
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I love how the American-set eps are not doing well in the UK but it's the best ratings BBC America has ever had. All Your Doctors Are Belong to Us!
 
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I love all the new mysteries, makes for a far more interesting and engrossing show. If the first time in 5 seasons, the season-long arc isn't just being clumsily signposted by shoehorned in memes. There are genuinely engaging plotlines to follow, and each episode isn't neatly wrapped up inside 45 minutes. Makes for a far more satisfying viewing experience.
 
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I love all the new mysteries, makes for a far more interesting and engrossing show.

I agree; Birdie writing "It's Dr Who, not Lost, Steve..." as a pejorative makes me shake my head sadly. I love that Doctor Who is making me think.
 
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But why would he even have to be in the prison to begin with, since he's working with Nixon? The whole beginning of this episode was entirely pointless and unnecessary. It was quite frankly dumb. The only thing that possibly could have been the point is to make a 'perfect jail' to hold one of the Silence, but we don't really see them as being escape artists or anything.
My take on this (and I could be wrong) was that the whole thing--The Doctor's imprisonment, chasing down Amy and Rory, etc.--was an elaborate ruse to get the prison built so they would have one place on Earth where they could make plans and talk openly without the Silence (or anyone else, for that matter) listening in.
 
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I agree; Birdie writing "It's Dr Who, not Lost, Steve..." as a pejorative makes me shake my head sadly. I love that Doctor Who is making me think.

Here, here!
Long live Moffat and Smith.
May they break records of Doctor longevity.
 
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Here, here!
Long live Moffat and Smith.
May they break records of Doctor longevity.

I third that...though i think we might have a better chance of more answers than we did for Lost.

I love these episodes because i need to see what happens and i want to try and figure it out before they reveal it, and to be honest i want to be shown im wrong. After all i shouldnt be cleverer than the doctor (though i figured out his plan early on)
 
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