Kerr Avon
Master Member
Yeah, I was looking at that and thinking that's what it was. They took off some sawtooth like stuff though I think, right?
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Yeah, I was looking at that and thinking that's what it was. They took off some sawtooth like stuff though I think, right?
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Been so long since I've seen that movie that I honestly couldn't say.
Looks like 6/7/8 are out of the 50th. They're all in Australia at the moment and said in an interview they didn't get the call. 6-9 out. 1-3 dead. That just leaves the creaaammmy middle.
Organic Mechanic
Sr Member
Looks like 6/7/8 are out of the 50th. They're all in Australia at the moment and said in an interview they didn't get the call. 6-9 out. 1-3 dead. That just leaves the creaaammmy middle.
:eek Dag yo! Calm y'self! :lol
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
"Love and Monsters" and "Turn Left" gave it a nod, the latter of which gave me chills. That second example aside I'm fine with it not being referenced more, it was such a lazy deus ex machina.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
If this turns out to be anywhere close to what's going on, then I am done with the series.
Yes, the Doctor re: Jack - "You're impossible".
The Doctor re: Clara - "She's not possible".
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Have we? I think people are putting WAY too much stock into a throw-away line. It's possible that we should take it at face value, but Clara's line doesn't "establish" anything - all we know is that the Tardis won't let her in without a key. Clara (probably) doesn't even know the Tardis is alive - all she's been told is that it's a ship that travels through time and space. Her line about the Tardis not liking her is akin to Janeway talking to Voyager or any of us thinking the copy machine doesn't like us.
Possible spoilers:
Doctor Who star Jenna-Louise Coleman has revealed that Clara and the TARDIS will have "a bit of a face-off".
Coleman told TV Guide: "...the TARDIS and Clara have a relationship. It's something that's running through the series. Instead of it being like, "Does so-and-so like Clara?" The TARDIS and Clara have a bit of a face-off. So, the Doctor is obviously bringing back somebody new. I think we've done a whole additional content scene of me talking to the TARDIS, and the TARDIS is making fun of Clara. They kind of have an argument. They've got a relationship individual to the Doctor where they have a dialogue."
Discussing the new TARDIS set, the actress commented: "It was strange because obviously it was a brand-new TARDIS, so it was a set that nobody's ever used before or seen before at this point. But this is where you're going to be for however many [of] the next couple of seasons or years, so it's like mine and Matt's new place. For him, he was running up and down all the stairs like a giddy kid who got his toy back. We didn't actually have the TARDIS for the first four months of me shooting because it was still being built. So it was pushed away in a dark corner and cordoned off so nobody could go in and look at it."
Coleman told TV Guide: "...the TARDIS and Clara have a relationship. It's something that's running through the series. Instead of it being like, "Does so-and-so like Clara?" The TARDIS and Clara have a bit of a face-off. So, the Doctor is obviously bringing back somebody new. I think we've done a whole additional content scene of me talking to the TARDIS, and the TARDIS is making fun of Clara. They kind of have an argument. They've got a relationship individual to the Doctor where they have a dialogue."
Discussing the new TARDIS set, the actress commented: "It was strange because obviously it was a brand-new TARDIS, so it was a set that nobody's ever used before or seen before at this point. But this is where you're going to be for however many [of] the next couple of seasons or years, so it's like mine and Matt's new place. For him, he was running up and down all the stairs like a giddy kid who got his toy back. We didn't actually have the TARDIS for the first four months of me shooting because it was still being built. So it was pushed away in a dark corner and cordoned off so nobody could go in and look at it."
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Despite my knees being the only part of my body that are admitting their age I want to run up and down those stairs like a giddy kid too!
I am very much looking forward to seeing more of the TARDIS in a few weeks!
madmikeee
Sr Member
You forget though, it is usually those supposed "throw away" lines that are the most important ones in this series. Even the most mundane parts of conversations have , in the past, come back to be epic aspects of the story arch.
Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey... It's the only answer that works
I think that really epitomises my feeling towards Dr Who, it is way too wibbly wobbly timey wimey. Would it kill the writers to do a little bit of research on actual physics and at least try and work something around it it's not like they are pressed for time, they have massive gaps in between each season and now mid season gaps.
Star Trek employed a Science Advisor, two actually firstly Naren Shankar who was later replaced by Andre Bormanis, at least these guys made an effort to base the fiction on real science.
I think this applied much more in the RTD era than under Moffat's regime.
I was just rewatching "The End of the World" last night (Rose's second episode) and I noticed a Bad Wolf mention I had never heard before. In what sounds like generic crowd noise as the camera moves through the guests you hear something to the effect of, "Well, I don't think the Bad Wolf hypothesis quite explains it. In a multiverse..." and it fades out. (But it was actually difficult to hear even knowing what I was listening for)
Those moments are what made the RTD episodes so enjoyable for me. It was like a puzzle.
What my friends and I have decided is that Moffat has improved the quality of the average individual episode, while lowering the overall quality of each series arc. The inverse is true of all RTD's series; individual episodes weren't as consistently strong, but the series arc was always more well thought out. (Even if you don't like it)
Moffat tends to just throw so much into each episode, making them very dense, that by the time the series finale comes up, there isn't anyway to make a cohesive ending so he just goes, "...and then magic happened." (AKA Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey Stuff) And we're left with TONS of open ended questions that never got resolved, that should have been part of the conclusion.
The biggest example I can think of in recent memory is that we never learned the difference between the Silence, the creature, and the Silence, the religious order. Also, there is basically NO information about the headless monks. In my mind, ALL of that should have been part of the resolution. You can't just introduce threads then abandon them...at least not without incurring my ire.
-Nick
Nick,
Totally agree. Moffat has left enough holes to fill the Albert Hall.
He absolutely must explain (well) why the Silence fear so much what will happen at the fall of the 11th on the Fields of Trenzalore, when the question will be asked that must never be answered.
All in good time I suppose...
Totally agree. Moffat has left enough holes to fill the Albert Hall.
He absolutely must explain (well) why the Silence fear so much what will happen at the fall of the 11th on the Fields of Trenzalore, when the question will be asked that must never be answered.
All in good time I suppose...
Goodwolf
Sr Member
Yeah, but how long of an attention span do they think we have?
Sure, some people can keep up with minutia forever, and I even enjoy it to a certain extent, but unless you're something like a savant, this is getting ridiculous.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
RTD was no better when it came to endings.
Series 1 - Deus ex Machina (a surprisingly literal version of it no less)
Series 2 - Reverse the polarity
Series 3 - "I believe in fairies" Deus ex Machina which hits a literal Reset Button
Series 4 - Deus ex Machina
Specials - Reverse the polarity
I will give RTD credit, the Bad Wolf arc was good but after that the arc word bit got old fast. At least Bad Wolf (and the Cracks in Series 5) showed up in places that in hindsight made sense to the greater arc. Torchwood and Mr. Saxon just showed up for no reason than to have another arc word.
"Silence MUST fall..." Sounds at face value like something bad happens to the Silence when the question is asked.
What information do you need about the Headless Monks, Nick? They're exactly what it says on the tin. We got less info on the monster from "Midnight." Sure we don't know everything about the Silence right now, but they don't have 40+ years of history like the enemies RTD used for his series finales.
Series 1 - Deus ex Machina (a surprisingly literal version of it no less)
Series 2 - Reverse the polarity
Series 3 - "I believe in fairies" Deus ex Machina which hits a literal Reset Button
Series 4 - Deus ex Machina
Specials - Reverse the polarity
I will give RTD credit, the Bad Wolf arc was good but after that the arc word bit got old fast. At least Bad Wolf (and the Cracks in Series 5) showed up in places that in hindsight made sense to the greater arc. Torchwood and Mr. Saxon just showed up for no reason than to have another arc word.
"Silence MUST fall..." Sounds at face value like something bad happens to the Silence when the question is asked.
What information do you need about the Headless Monks, Nick? They're exactly what it says on the tin. We got less info on the monster from "Midnight." Sure we don't know everything about the Silence right now, but they don't have 40+ years of history like the enemies RTD used for his series finales.
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