My Can-I-Really-Do-This? project: Armageddon Freedom Shuttle (finished)

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  1. Chrisisall

    Chrisisall Sr Member

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    A personal side-project: I plan to turn a 1998 Revell kit like this
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    into this:
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    Can it be done? :confused
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  2. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That sir is a lot of Bondo. :D

    But I am rooting for you. :sleep

    Karl
     
  3. Chrisisall

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    I was thinking sheet styrene.:cool
    But it might finally be time try Bondo, given the curves....
     
  4. jedimaster

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    Good luck. I'd be startin from scratch.
     
  5. Chrisisall

    Chrisisall Sr Member

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    I practically will be, LOL.
    Hey- modifying is my middle name!
     
  6. PHArchivist

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    Gawd! Is that 1998 kit THAT bad...? Been planning on building it myself, but don't want to go to great lengths. My abort if it will take that much modification.
     
  7. MooCriket

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    Hoping for the best:thumbsup. That does look like an incredible task to pull off, time wise.
     
  8. JMChladek

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    I tried it once, but my ambition exceeded my skill set at the time. To get the proper length, I grafted two shuttle fuselage sections together and tried making the curves with a combination of balsa wood and filler putty. It was long slow root canal before I abandoned it.

    Fantastic Plastic has a 1/144 X-71 and it looks good IMHO except for the wings and the auxilliary rocket boosters.

    X-71 Shuttle 1:144 Resin Model Kit by Fantastic Plastic

    But, I did notice that the wing mounts seem to be the same as the Revell kit, so using the Revell X-71 wings with this kit and some modifications on the front could yield a very nice X-71 model. I may try to get one of these if a vendor has one on the table at Wonderfest.

    If I do get one, I might try to see if I can do one in 1/72, which would be essentially a complete scratchbuild. I'll probably save that for down the road, after I've finished my 1/72 Churchill shuttle from Lifeforce. The way I might approach it next time would be to borrow a page from a stick and tissue balsa model, using loftings and ribs to build up the fuselage and skinning over the top. The wings I figure could still be adapted somewhat from 1/72 plastic kit wings, but the tail fin would have to be scratched since it is bigger than a normal shuttle tail. The auxilliary rocket boosters can easily be done with 1/144 SRBs. And of course if I did it, I would have to slap the whole thing onto an ET and SRBs for the full effect (can't have an X-71 without those IMHO as the launch scene was the best part of the film IMHO).
     
  9. tek2graphics

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    I'm sure you can do it!!! :thumbsup
     
  10. Chrisisall

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    Yeah, I saw it- it's very good, but would take some modification as you say. But if I spend $100 on a model, I want it to either be perfect already, or made of styrene. But that may just be me.:rolleyes
     
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  11. Chrisisall

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    Thanks! I know I can, it's more a matter of... sanding... :cry
     
  12. Fetchou

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    I have this kit and this project too. Curious to see what do you do with the kit!
     
  13. habuhunter32

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    As I said over at HobbyTalk I don't think the Revell kit will ever look like the movie prop unless you scratch build 90% and toss the rest. I do look forward to you proving me wrong by the way!:lol I have both the Revell and the Fantastic Plastic versions. I am building the latter with a Revell stack and modified launch platform. Now that I have joined the RPF I can follow your progress over here and plan on doing so. Good luck sir!:cool
     
  14. phase pistol

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    Some reference shots from the DVD.

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  15. Chrisisall

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    Wow- totally helpful, Phase!!!!(y)thumbsup:thumbsup
    THANKS!
     
  16. falcondesigns

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    Your going to need this.........
     
  17. Mauiman

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    Nothing is impossible. It is just a big pain in the rear to get it done.
     
  18. Chrisisall

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    Ouch, I can't open it, but thanks for the thought, Falc! I'm SO wanting to get to the paint job once I get the model & work it over. That's gonna be FUN.
     
  19. Chrisisall

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    That's the challenge, Zac!

    Funny, I don't seem to have fun in the doing of a major model modification, yet I seem driven to accomplish it. And once done, I revel in it.
    Is that weird? :confused
     
  20. Underdog

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    Dude, if I can go out to my garage in 06 and start building a studio scale accurate TOS Enterprise that the masters compete with the Master Replicas over priced toy, then you can do anything that you set your mind to, if you have the skill, talent and will to follow through... If you are willing to make mistakes and keep on going. Nothing can stop you, but your own psych.
     
  21. Chrisisall

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    LOL, and lack of Bondo/sand paper...:behave
    You're right, of course. It's a matter of patience & precision.
     
  22. Underdog

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    I;ve went weeks when I had to work on real life stuff and come back and buy the mess that I needed to play, but whe you get the bug... You'll find a way..
     
  23. Chrisisall

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    Like Kirk! I will.
     
  24. Gigatron

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    Maybe, it would be better to start from an easier starting point - a block of bass wood. Carve the shape out of the wood, and then vac-form your own outer shell. Or if you don't like vac forming, you could always make resin casts off your wooden buck

    The revell kit is wrong in so many places, it wouldn't even be worth using it as a starting point. Everything is absolutely wrong. The over-all body shape is wrong, and it's too short. There is no way you could use that much bondo and by the time you were done re-shaping new styrene add-on bits, you have been better off starting from scratch.

    Sometimes, you have to know when a project just isn't feasible. Using the revell kit to build the armageddon shuttle, is one of those times. Start from scratch and you'll have a much easier time,

    -Fred
     
  25. jedimaster

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    I agree with Fred. I'd be carving this out of wood or foam urethane. There was a thread with a link about a year ago, where one of the ILM guy's, forget who, just grabbed a piece of foam and in a few hours had a big shuttle. He then epoxied the whole thing and voila... Shuttle. I think it may have been a Japanese doco. But I could be wrong. Very interesting , but definitely the way I would go.
     
  26. Chrisisall

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmm...... you realize of course that now I *HAVE* to do it....:love:lol
     
  27. trekriffic

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    Reminds me of that scene in MPATHG:

    "Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show them."
     
  28. Chrisisall

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    Then it sank....:unsure

    But ONE of them didn't!:cool
     
  29. Chrisisall

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    Well, the knock at my door an hour ago was the Postal person with my shuttle model.

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    So, first basic parts glued to determine what next...
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    Sadly, the canards I was happy to see on the model will be scrapped- they're not just shaped wrong, they're in the wrong spot. The back has to be extended- I knew that already, and the wings clipped a bit on the back end. And They were glued to be at a slightly lower angle in relation to the main hull than they were meant to be.

    Gee wizz, I'm already having fun!:cool
     
  30. trekriffic

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    And so...


    it begins...
     
  31. Randy13

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    Looks like you’ve got yourself quite a challenge. Good luck and looking forward to this. :thumbsup
     
  32. JMChladek

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    Well, if you are indeed going to do it, grab a second Revell shuttle. You will need to add 3/4ths of an inch in front of the payload bay and 1/2 an inch behind since the X-71 is longer. So the best thing to do is use one shuttle kit for the center fuselage with the nose and tail cut off in front and behind the payload bay (being careful to keep the wing attachments down low). Then chop the nose off the prime cut cut 3/4" behind the front payload bay bulkhead and 1/2" in front of the aft bulkhead. Then glue them together for the stretched limo look with the wing points at the proper positions.

    And that is only the start...
     
  33. Gigatron

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    How are you going to tackle adding the belly bulge - that odd shaped ridgeline that sits between the engine nacelles and the main wings? That much bondo won't dry, let alone hold up.

    Good luck - I look forward to seeing how this progresses :cool

    -Fred
     
  34. jedimaster

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    If your he'll bent on doing it this way , then I'd listen to JMC. He's your shuttle guy around here. Looks like they may have used some standard shuttle tooling on this so you may get away with chopping up one of those if you can't get the Armageddon one. Also I'd buy some styrene if I were you. I think your gonna need it.
     
  35. Chrisisall

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    Thanks, those are great ideas, but like most stuff I do just for me, this is the budget: $25. The kit + shipping already cost me that, so the rest is what I have lying around.

    Simple things first:

    I need me some backing... luckily the kit comes with extra pieces intended for the normal shuttle kit-
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    The 'intakes' start too far up, so I'll take 'em down & use what I take off for backing...
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    This way the filling in will be minimized.
     
  36. Chrisisall

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    My go-to substance: epoxy putty.:cool
     
  37. Chrisisall

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    Since the scale of the model is smaller than I had at first imagined, I'm not gonna be a rivet counter on this one (I don't mean that as a bad thing, I can get into counting rivets...). This is a budget build, the question is how close can I come with nearly nothing besides the kit?:love
     
  38. yuumi2891103

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    Me too not recommend you to use that kit. Shape the balsa wood and apply car filler and sand it. Vacuum form or cast it. If you imagine, you can make it. I want to see it comes for real.
     
  39. Chrisisall

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    It is too late, my friend, the styrene is in motion now.:)
     
  40. yuumi2891103

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    Oops :lol In anyway, you'll build a gem !
     
  41. Chrisisall

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    I hope so!

    Here's more progress:

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    I had to remove the tail stabilizer because it's going farther back when I extend the end section. Lots of sculpting will ensue. And the tip of the nose needs reverse rhinoplasty.:lol
     
  42. phase pistol

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    I will just skip ahead a bit and congratulate you on the fine job you will have done. :D
     
  43. Chrisisall

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    Temporal Investigations just contacted me regarding my build and also congratulated me... will this affect the outcome??:facepalm

    Seriously, this is all by eye, usually I do sketches & stuff, but since this is just for the pure fun of it, I'm going Indiana Jones on it.
    And I *love* the movie, it makes me cry at the end every time. There's no build like one that MEANS something to you, eh?
     
  44. jedimaster

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    You finished yet???
     
  45. Chrisisall

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    LOL, what??

    I've only been on it this one day!:lol

    Here: getting ready to place the tail stabilizer farther back-

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  46. JMChladek

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    Okay, I can sort of see where you are going with this a little bit. The cutback intakes on the pods at least improve the looks somewhat. The plans for the new rear also look good as well (OMS pods as an engine section fairing, why didn't I think of that?).
     
  47. BTTFSpencer

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    I can see it coming together. I think that's how the FP kit was built, sculpted onto a revell one..or maybe it just used the wings.

    I've got 3 of the FP kits. They aren't bad, they capture the look.
     
  48. Chrisisall

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    Yeah, they look great... I'm just not partial to resin as a kit material- I like it more for prop replicas with very few pieces- none of 'em small or thin.
    But that's just personal preference.
     
  49. Chrisisall

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    More sanding, more sculpting- I'm concentrating on the front...

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    I know it looks a little goofy right now- I left extra that will be sanded down.
     
  50. Chrisisall

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    Tail on, putty & sand continues.
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