DARTH SABER
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maybe the filed the slotts a little wider so that it could accomodat the screw threading...
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lonepigeon
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I did a little scaling and the slot may be 1/32" wider than normal (considering the lack of clarity in the pic can't say for certain).
It could've just spread too if they did run screws into it.
It could've just spread too if they did run screws into it.
obi1kenny
Sr Member
I am going to use a 10-32 flat head screw in the modified part I am working on, so the slot would need to be about 0.190” or so wide for this screw to fit in the slot. It would make sense that they might have modified the slot if they wanted to slip a screw in that way.
This is the way I did one of my conversions, but I had been using 8-32 screws, so I just dremel out a little extra room for to make lining up easier. This is just and old example pic:
This is the way I did one of my conversions, but I had been using 8-32 screws, so I just dremel out a little extra room for to make lining up easier. This is just and old example pic:
Crimsonnaire
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I did a little scaling and the slot may be 1/32" wider than normal (considering the lack of clarity in the pic can't say for certain).
It could've just spread too if they did run screws into it.
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If this is true then THAT gap shouldn't have gotten wider, but rather the gap that is perpendicular to it. And even if the screw going into that perpendicular gap, it's wide enough already.
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I did a little scaling and the slot may be 1/32" wider than normal (considering the lack of clarity in the pic can't say for certain).
It could've just spread too if they did run screws into it.
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If this is true then THAT gap shouldn't have gotten wider, but rather the gap that is perpendicular to it. And even if the screw going into that perpendicular gap, it's wide enough already.
Oohyeah KL
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My 2 cents - IMO, it's 95% certain that it's the original Graflex slot.
C'mon, if it's just a metal replica tube or even... wood
, why on earth would they want to make it into a slot??? They just need a hole on it!
THe disparity in the size of the slot can EASILY be explained by it being enlarged by the screw that goes into it which would force it open it bit more.
As I said before, the slot is the clincher for me that the bottom half is a real Graflex. That would mean that the surface texture has been covered by a lot of grime, which is more than plausible given that they originally used adhesives, and probably lots of it since they obviously were so crap that they had to use rivets when it came to ESB.
C'mon, if it's just a metal replica tube or even... wood
THe disparity in the size of the slot can EASILY be explained by it being enlarged by the screw that goes into it which would force it open it bit more.
As I said before, the slot is the clincher for me that the bottom half is a real Graflex. That would mean that the surface texture has been covered by a lot of grime, which is more than plausible given that they originally used adhesives, and probably lots of it since they obviously were so crap that they had to use rivets when it came to ESB.
Darf Vader
Well-Known Member
Don't dwell too much on the size of the slot. It could easily be distortion due to the slot being towards the middle of the camera lense.
It's probably just an optical illusion.
It's probably just an optical illusion.
Crimsonnaire
Sr Member
The fact that one of the luke rotj sabers was made of wood is a clue that they used wood to make the bottom piece for the vader rotj prop. What's the best explanation for the overall feature of the bottom tube looking the way it is? Are you saying they applied glue or any other adhesive material all over the entire tube?
Brevin Din-Shay
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Looks like I've missed out on some serious discussion the last couple of days!
I'll be back tomorrow afternoon...gotta take a final in the morning.
(Geez, looks like I'll have to take notes before I can even make a good reply here now!
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I'll be back tomorrow afternoon...gotta take a final in the morning.
(Geez, looks like I'll have to take notes before I can even make a good reply here now!
lonepigeon
Master Member
It's not wood.
Have you seen the thing in person Imperious?
There are so many reasons it's not wood that this thread would be twice as long if we listed them.
Also, you misunderstand how the Obi-Wan ANH stunt props were made. They were cast in solid metal from a wooden master. There was no wood in the final product.
Have you seen the thing in person Imperious?
There are so many reasons it's not wood that this thread would be twice as long if we listed them.
Also, you misunderstand how the Obi-Wan ANH stunt props were made. They were cast in solid metal from a wooden master. There was no wood in the final product.
Darf Vader
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Also, you misunderstand how the Obi-Wan ANH stunt props were made. They were cast in solid metal from a wooden master. There was no wood in the final product.
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Sorry to hijack, but I'm wondering, are you basing this solely on that eBay auction or do you have verification that this was the case?
And whatever happened with that eBay auction? Did anybody bid, and was the reserve met?
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Also, you misunderstand how the Obi-Wan ANH stunt props were made. They were cast in solid metal from a wooden master. There was no wood in the final product.
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Sorry to hijack, but I'm wondering, are you basing this solely on that eBay auction or do you have verification that this was the case?
And whatever happened with that eBay auction? Did anybody bid, and was the reserve met?
Crimsonnaire
Sr Member
Feel free to list some of the strongest arguments for it not being wood.
As far as the wooden master props goes, how do you know the wooden luke rotj was never used during filming? Were you present on the sets of rotj?
As far as the wooden master props goes, how do you know the wooden luke rotj was never used during filming? Were you present on the sets of rotj?
lonepigeon
Master Member
Well, lets see... we know it's not solid since there's a slot in it and they used rivets...besides that there's the obvious that you can see it's metal when you look at it (in person).
Yes, I know the wooden master was not used in ANH. It would be too fragile hence why they made metal copies. It was never fully completed- the pommel did not have the cubes cut out. Also I have seen it in numerous photos and talked to a guy that worked in the shop that made it and currently owns it (unless he finally did sell it).
Yes, I know the wooden master was not used in ANH. It would be too fragile hence why they made metal copies. It was never fully completed- the pommel did not have the cubes cut out. Also I have seen it in numerous photos and talked to a guy that worked in the shop that made it and currently owns it (unless he finally did sell it).
Johnleprekan
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DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
maybe the filed the slotts a little wider so that it could accomodat the screw threading...
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True, might have to widen the gap further in case they were to rotate the parts. I don't think they would use wood on these things, they break too easily especially with what they do on the set.
Wasn't sure to put this in a new thread or not, but here's some info I got from the company that makes those circuit breakers.
"In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:35:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, amy@yuehjyh.com writes:
Johnleprekan: All right. I couldn't find the order form and prices though.
Dear Sir,
Yes, we do manufacture YJ-9304L Terminal type circuit breaker. Attached please find the specification for the YJ-9304L.
Regards,
Amy Lin
Yueh Jyh Metal Industrial Co., Ltd.
Dear Sir,
Yes, we do not have order form on the internet. You may order by e-mail or fax. The price and terms are set forth below:
- Payment: 100% T/T prior shipment.
- Shipment: FOB Taiwan, Keelung port
- Lead time: within 21 days after the order confirmation
- Minimum order: 3000pcs per shipment
- Packing: 100pc/polybag+inner box, 1000pc/14Kg/16Kg/0.63'
- Price for YJ-9304L: US$0.54/pc
Regards,
Amy Lin
Yueh Jyh Metal Industrial Co., Ltd."
I modified it a bit to make it easier to read, but the message is the same.
DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
maybe the filed the slotts a little wider so that it could accomodat the screw threading...
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True, might have to widen the gap further in case they were to rotate the parts. I don't think they would use wood on these things, they break too easily especially with what they do on the set.
Wasn't sure to put this in a new thread or not, but here's some info I got from the company that makes those circuit breakers.
"In a message dated 4/30/2003 9:35:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, amy@yuehjyh.com writes:
Johnleprekan: All right. I couldn't find the order form and prices though.
Dear Sir,
Yes, we do manufacture YJ-9304L Terminal type circuit breaker. Attached please find the specification for the YJ-9304L.
Regards,
Amy Lin
Yueh Jyh Metal Industrial Co., Ltd.
Dear Sir,
Yes, we do not have order form on the internet. You may order by e-mail or fax. The price and terms are set forth below:
- Payment: 100% T/T prior shipment.
- Shipment: FOB Taiwan, Keelung port
- Lead time: within 21 days after the order confirmation
- Minimum order: 3000pcs per shipment
- Packing: 100pc/polybag+inner box, 1000pc/14Kg/16Kg/0.63'
- Price for YJ-9304L: US$0.54/pc
Regards,
Amy Lin
Yueh Jyh Metal Industrial Co., Ltd."
I modified it a bit to make it easier to read, but the message is the same.
DARTH SABER
Master Member
Hey John, why dont you crop a pic of the control box on the ROTJ Vader saber and email it to that company to see if anyone there can confirm or deny if it is indeed a circuit breaker plug...
As for the wooden saber, I remember seeing this auction posted a while ago and do remember seeing a picrure of it...
The description said that it was not used on screen but it was a model to cast the metal ones...
And as Chris pointed out the pommel cubes were missing...
If you look at the photos of this saber you can see that there are some areas on the lower half which do have a metallic shine...
As for the wooden saber, I remember seeing this auction posted a while ago and do remember seeing a picrure of it...
The description said that it was not used on screen but it was a model to cast the metal ones...
And as Chris pointed out the pommel cubes were missing...
If you look at the photos of this saber you can see that there are some areas on the lower half which do have a metallic shine...
DARTH SABER
Master Member
Theres never been any word or or proof of a wooden saber being used in any of the old trilogy...
As a matter a fact not many people knew about this wooden master until that Ebay auction..
As a matter a fact not many people knew about this wooden master until that Ebay auction..
DARTH SABER
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How do you know they didn't use the wooden "master" prop in ROTJ...?
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Because the guy who sold the wooden master on Ebay stated that it was a master that wasnt used in filming...
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How do you know they didn't use the wooden "master" prop in ROTJ...?
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Because the guy who sold the wooden master on Ebay stated that it was a master that wasnt used in filming...
Crimsonnaire
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DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Theres never been any word or or proof of a wooden saber being used in any of the old trilogy...
As a matter a fact not many people knew about this wooden master until that Ebay auction..
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Since what you said is true, there's no evidence to weigh in on either sides as to whether any wooden sabers or saber parts were used in the OT. And therefore, it's still open to investigation.
DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Theres never been any word or or proof of a wooden saber being used in any of the old trilogy...
As a matter a fact not many people knew about this wooden master until that Ebay auction..
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Since what you said is true, there's no evidence to weigh in on either sides as to whether any wooden sabers or saber parts were used in the OT. And therefore, it's still open to investigation.
DARTH SABER
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Imperious825 wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Since what you said is true, there's no evidence to weigh in on either sides as to whether any wooden sabers or saber parts were used in the OT. And therefore, it's still open to investigation.
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Well you are wrong imperious, it is already confirmed that metal and resin sabers were used in ROTJ, so evidence weighs heavily towards metal and resin but NO evidence AT ALL weighs on wooden parts or sabers.
Hell, I could say that there was a saber made of cheese used in ROTJ and just becuase there isnt any proof against it doesnt mean Im going to waste my time investigating it...
Just one question Imperious, why do you think that a wooden saber was used in filming if no evidence or word of one being used has ever been uttered??
Imperious825 wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Since what you said is true, there's no evidence to weigh in on either sides as to whether any wooden sabers or saber parts were used in the OT. And therefore, it's still open to investigation.
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Well you are wrong imperious, it is already confirmed that metal and resin sabers were used in ROTJ, so evidence weighs heavily towards metal and resin but NO evidence AT ALL weighs on wooden parts or sabers.
Hell, I could say that there was a saber made of cheese used in ROTJ and just becuase there isnt any proof against it doesnt mean Im going to waste my time investigating it...
Just one question Imperious, why do you think that a wooden saber was used in filming if no evidence or word of one being used has ever been uttered??
Crimsonnaire
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DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Because the guy who sold the wooden master on Ebay stated that it was a master that wasnt used in filming...
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All right that's a good start. However his words aren't infallable from a hundred percent accurate account of its history.
However I think we can all take his word for it.
Yet, just because that wooden saber wasn't used in the movie doesn't slam the lid on the controversy of the bottom piece.
Let's go back to square one. The reasons why people who believe it's an authentic graflex bottom are that there's a gap that's a little wider than the one on the real graflex, and the explanation for that is because they widened the entire slot instead of just where the screw would go through. Aside from this I'm not even sure what other reasons you people have for believing it's a real graflex bottom. So please, elighten us with your reasons.
On the other hand, I and several others refuse to believe it's an authentic graflex bottom because in the chronicles picture, the surface feature is clearly like that of wood; every picture of that area shows either what appears to be chipped paint, or weathered something--either wood, plastic, etc. Also, there are no indications of any graflex markings on the bottom whatsoever, and finally the upper portion of the graflex still has a metallic appearance overall, and it just so happens that everywhere from the midband down it the opposite from having a metallic appearance.
DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Because the guy who sold the wooden master on Ebay stated that it was a master that wasnt used in filming...
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All right that's a good start. However his words aren't infallable from a hundred percent accurate account of its history.
However I think we can all take his word for it.
Yet, just because that wooden saber wasn't used in the movie doesn't slam the lid on the controversy of the bottom piece.
Let's go back to square one. The reasons why people who believe it's an authentic graflex bottom are that there's a gap that's a little wider than the one on the real graflex, and the explanation for that is because they widened the entire slot instead of just where the screw would go through. Aside from this I'm not even sure what other reasons you people have for believing it's a real graflex bottom. So please, elighten us with your reasons.
On the other hand, I and several others refuse to believe it's an authentic graflex bottom because in the chronicles picture, the surface feature is clearly like that of wood; every picture of that area shows either what appears to be chipped paint, or weathered something--either wood, plastic, etc. Also, there are no indications of any graflex markings on the bottom whatsoever, and finally the upper portion of the graflex still has a metallic appearance overall, and it just so happens that everywhere from the midband down it the opposite from having a metallic appearance.
Crimsonnaire
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Just one question Imperious, why do you think that a wooden saber was used in filming if no evidence or word of one being used has ever been uttered??
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One because wood was used for one of the luke rotj sabers, and two because the bottom section of the vader rotj saber doesn't look like metal.
So why do you think that a metal graflex bottom was used for the vader rotj during filming if no evidence or word of one being used has ever been uttered??
DARTH SABER wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Just one question Imperious, why do you think that a wooden saber was used in filming if no evidence or word of one being used has ever been uttered??
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One because wood was used for one of the luke rotj sabers, and two because the bottom section of the vader rotj saber doesn't look like metal.
So why do you think that a metal graflex bottom was used for the vader rotj during filming if no evidence or word of one being used has ever been uttered??
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