Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings?
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MasterDurangus
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Guessing that has something to do with Liara?
I'll take a look at it. DLC... very new to me haha. :lol
MasterDurangus
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Thought of this...
Not going to put spoiler tags because it only deals with ME:2, not ME:3 (though be forewarned!)
What if Shepherd did die in ME:2? Was I the only one who thought it was kind of convenient... he dies in orbit around a planet... gets picked up and repaired over a 2 year period by Cerberus.... this leads to all the craziness we see in ME:2.
I'm not sure how this could play into ME:3, but it's interesting to consider.
Not going to put spoiler tags because it only deals with ME:2, not ME:3 (though be forewarned!)
What if Shepherd did die in ME:2? Was I the only one who thought it was kind of convenient... he dies in orbit around a planet... gets picked up and repaired over a 2 year period by Cerberus.... this leads to all the craziness we see in ME:2.
I'm not sure how this could play into ME:3, but it's interesting to consider.
Oddly enough ME 3 forces you to create a new Shepard if he/her dies at the end of ME2 at the collector base. It would have been interesting for them to give people who had that happen to have a new commander pop up but since this is Shep's story that couldn't happen. Man bioware has a lot of damage control to do, they and EA are losing customers like mad.
Flecktarn92
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Man this movement is growing rapidly. The facebook page is very close to passing 20,000 supporters. MSNBC, Forbes and various others have articles about it. The lead writer of Bioware stated that he is reading peoples statements but is not ready to comment yet, looks like we really have Bioware squirming.
MasterDurangus
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I think Bioware's ending was okay, the problem is that they didn't create ENOUGH endings. After reading at least 20+ pages of material and 8 different articles, that seems to be what players are complaining about the most - their choices didn't matter, the ending didn't feel like enough (and some say it's too sad (really?! It's an EPIC. It's going to have a somewhat tragic ending, we knew this from the start)).
BW's ending might have worked. They just need to create about 5-6 more optional endings that you can do depending on the actions you take to complement their original ending. That would help, I think.
BW's ending might have worked. They just need to create about 5-6 more optional endings that you can do depending on the actions you take to complement their original ending. That would help, I think.
MasterDurangus
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Drew Karpyshan isn't involved in ME:3? Wow. That explains a lot.
SqueekinOrka
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Reading this thread i'm eager to get to the end just to see how it ends and what ending i will get.
I've been playing multiply player and my war readiness is very high almost 100 on all sectors. I had a few glitches yesterday in MP. One i couldn't fire,reload,melee or do anything. I could switch weapons but do nothing with them. Then the game after i got another glitch. I died and i got revived but i could just stand there and not move. All i could do was take hits and die lol
By the sounds of it it's quiet disappointing and it's a real shame that there's been alot taken out of ME3. I guess i'll soon find out.
I've been playing multiply player and my war readiness is very high almost 100 on all sectors. I had a few glitches yesterday in MP. One i couldn't fire,reload,melee or do anything. I could switch weapons but do nothing with them. Then the game after i got another glitch. I died and i got revived but i could just stand there and not move. All i could do was take hits and die lol
By the sounds of it it's quiet disappointing and it's a real shame that there's been alot taken out of ME3. I guess i'll soon find out.
SqueekinOrka
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Sorry. Some reason it posted my message twice. Sorry.
outlander
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ME 1&2 were not multiplay games. If I wanted to play a multiplay game I would have bought a multiplayer game in the first place. Now, after the first two chapters they are gonna waste their time and resources triying to entice me to aeperience the multiplayer aspect of ME?
Those resources would have been spent more wisely on original artwork for Tali.
If I wanted to associate with a crowd of mouthbreathing basement dwellers with over-caffienated reflexes and an inexhaustibal amount of free time to practice, I'd have purchased Game "X".
Right now most people aren't that against the multiplayer but once the rage over the endings and glitches ends they will. Bioware has a PR nightmare on their hands and even if they make a DLC unless it fixes the ending somehow nobody's going to buy it. The mods over on the forum are shutting down threads too. Turns out some of the development team are global mods for the forum.
EDIT: G4's attack of the show is actually being pro gamer for once and covering the issues and the petition for a new ending. Bioware employees pop up to BS us on the forum while the one mod goes around calling everything negative spam and deleting it and locking threads when people voice opinions. Plus they're forcing people to register their games in order to post in the area of the ME3 forum that allows spoilers to be posted and customer service isn't responding. Sounds like the entire place is collapsing.
EDIT: G4's attack of the show is actually being pro gamer for once and covering the issues and the petition for a new ending. Bioware employees pop up to BS us on the forum while the one mod goes around calling everything negative spam and deleting it and locking threads when people voice opinions. Plus they're forcing people to register their games in order to post in the area of the ME3 forum that allows spoilers to be posted and customer service isn't responding. Sounds like the entire place is collapsing.
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How in the heck is anyone finished yet? I've been playing it 3-4 hours a night since last Tuesday and I don't think I'm even half done with it. I'm doing every single thing I can find. Maybe that's why they are getting a bad ending?
Flecktarn92
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Yes and no. If you do every single mission and collect every single war asset and then go ahead and get the galactic readiness up to 100% you will get a better ending but it will still be the same ending as if someone did not do that, the only difference what happens to Shepard and Earth (and then only if you select a certain ending).
Its the options that players are given at the end of the game that is causing the uproar. You could have just gone through and done all of the priority missions and nothing else or done everything and you still will still get the same decisions.
So basically
MasterDurangus
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I did a basic run-through on my basic run-through Shepherd. I do hardly any of the side-quests and just play the story, I have one that I've done that since ME:1. Took me 22 hours to beat it.
Now I'm going back with my second Shepard to do everything (I've done everything in the other 2 games with him).
Now I'm going back with my second Shepard to do everything (I've done everything in the other 2 games with him).
Actually they're complaining about every ending. (that's as nice as i can put it without spoiling things)
Man the mods on there are shutting down thread left and right.
edit: this is interesting. http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9931116
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Before I begin, I would like to say the following.
I respect what Bioware/EA's has made, I respect the story they have written, I respect their right to defend and stand by their product 110% and I respect their decisions in whatever they're going to do with the product in the future.
Now, without further ado....
THE ENDING
So there you have it. The Director has already gone on record saying that he stands by this ending for no reason other than it will create discussion. Mission Accomplished. He also reassures us that there will be single player pre-ending DLC for us to buy so we can experience this ending again, and again.
And with that, Mass Effect is done, and I'm left feeling emotionally low. I haven't played the game since it ended, and I had three Shepards with different ME1&2 play throughs to look forward to. But why would I want to go through all that trouble again for something this bad? I'm not going to, and no amount of pre-ending DLC is going to change my mind. Especially when so many areas in the game are just cheap (Tali's face, quest tracking, quest breaking bugs, character flashbacks). I'm just going to let it go and move on to other properties that actually want to mean something.
I respect what Bioware/EA's has made, I respect the story they have written, I respect their right to defend and stand by their product 110% and I respect their decisions in whatever they're going to do with the product in the future.
Now, without further ado....
THE ENDING
This ending.... I can only it summarize in one word.
BETRAYAL!
Betrayal! This ending betrays everything that Mass Effect has done! Everything that Mass Effect has set up! Everything that made sense in it's universe! There is just no reason for any writer to come up with these conclusions unless it was a writer who has never played any of the previous games, doesn't know all the details to this particular entry, and was told to just end it on artsy note. It doesn't freaking work.
Remember that stupid, pathos driven kid who was turned into the most important thing on Shepard's mind? He is now revealed as a god like being who is in control of the Reapers. STUPID. He also resides on the Citadel. MORONIC. And his motivation as to why all advanced civilizations must be wiped out? BLOODY OFFENSIVE. What really bothers me about this kid/god being is that they're only exclusive to Mass Effect 3 only. For the whole series to introduce this one element and declare it the most important part of the entire franchise not only short changes the series, but contradicts elements from the previous games! Where was this god like being when ME1 happened? How come it didn't turn the Citadel into the Mass Relay that would bring all the Reapers back from dark space if that was it's plan? And why did it take the form of that stupid, hood jacket wearing kid? There are DOZENS of characters in Mass Effect who are much closer to Shepard who gave up their lives that still inhabit Shepard's conscience. For this kid to take the most important spot is a huge misstep.
And the Reaper motivation? They destroy all advanced forms of life because they don't want them to create synthetics that will one day wipe them out. The civilizations, not the Reapers. That would have made a little more sense, but still be stupid. So these Reapers, who have committed genocide on countless TRILLIONS of life forms over the past millions of years are doing it as a favor to us. This is like that one running gag from "Mars Attacks!" where the translated keeps saying "Don't run! We are your friends!", only this time it's taken seriously here.
Here's another problem with this motivation. Remember the Geth? Some would generalize that they turned on their creators and tried to annihilate them, but that's not true. They merely rebelled and kicked them off their world so that they could be free and safe. They never went set out to hunt down and destroy the Quarians, or any other race. The only time the Geth were ever blood thirsty, murdering rampage machines of death was when.... wait for it.....
SOVEREIGN (A Reaper) INFLUENCED THEM! Did Sovereign at any time show us how his Geth would one day represent what all synthetics are capable of when he took them over? No. Soverign only used them as he used Saren. As tools to further his own plans. So not are the Reapers and this god child killing trillions out of mere speculation, but they're also causing synthetics to do what they specifically don't want them to do! This is like telling someone who owns a gun that it will eventually lead to their death. This is like someone believing that in order to stop someone else from killing themselves with their own gun, he takes the gun, shoots you with it and says "Told you so". See how that logic is flawed?
And the crashed Normandy? First off, everyone who was onboard the Normandy was on Earth fighting the Reapers. Why would Joker land on Earth, take everyone out when there is clearly still fighting to be done (as seen in the cutscenes) and fly pass some anomaly? Why, after crash landing on an unknown planet would they walk out of the wreckage with smiles on their faces? Hey Liara, Kaiden, Joker, Ashley or whoever was left alive on the Normandy, WHAT ABOUT SHEPARD? What about the rest of the galaxy? What about anything?? Did you lose all your memory when you crash landed and all you can think about is how pretty the scenery looks? This part makes no freaking sense at all. It's just thrown in with no set up and no point.
BETRAYAL!
Betrayal! This ending betrays everything that Mass Effect has done! Everything that Mass Effect has set up! Everything that made sense in it's universe! There is just no reason for any writer to come up with these conclusions unless it was a writer who has never played any of the previous games, doesn't know all the details to this particular entry, and was told to just end it on artsy note. It doesn't freaking work.
Remember that stupid, pathos driven kid who was turned into the most important thing on Shepard's mind? He is now revealed as a god like being who is in control of the Reapers. STUPID. He also resides on the Citadel. MORONIC. And his motivation as to why all advanced civilizations must be wiped out? BLOODY OFFENSIVE. What really bothers me about this kid/god being is that they're only exclusive to Mass Effect 3 only. For the whole series to introduce this one element and declare it the most important part of the entire franchise not only short changes the series, but contradicts elements from the previous games! Where was this god like being when ME1 happened? How come it didn't turn the Citadel into the Mass Relay that would bring all the Reapers back from dark space if that was it's plan? And why did it take the form of that stupid, hood jacket wearing kid? There are DOZENS of characters in Mass Effect who are much closer to Shepard who gave up their lives that still inhabit Shepard's conscience. For this kid to take the most important spot is a huge misstep.
And the Reaper motivation? They destroy all advanced forms of life because they don't want them to create synthetics that will one day wipe them out. The civilizations, not the Reapers. That would have made a little more sense, but still be stupid. So these Reapers, who have committed genocide on countless TRILLIONS of life forms over the past millions of years are doing it as a favor to us. This is like that one running gag from "Mars Attacks!" where the translated keeps saying "Don't run! We are your friends!", only this time it's taken seriously here.
Here's another problem with this motivation. Remember the Geth? Some would generalize that they turned on their creators and tried to annihilate them, but that's not true. They merely rebelled and kicked them off their world so that they could be free and safe. They never went set out to hunt down and destroy the Quarians, or any other race. The only time the Geth were ever blood thirsty, murdering rampage machines of death was when.... wait for it.....
SOVEREIGN (A Reaper) INFLUENCED THEM! Did Sovereign at any time show us how his Geth would one day represent what all synthetics are capable of when he took them over? No. Soverign only used them as he used Saren. As tools to further his own plans. So not are the Reapers and this god child killing trillions out of mere speculation, but they're also causing synthetics to do what they specifically don't want them to do! This is like telling someone who owns a gun that it will eventually lead to their death. This is like someone believing that in order to stop someone else from killing themselves with their own gun, he takes the gun, shoots you with it and says "Told you so". See how that logic is flawed?
And the crashed Normandy? First off, everyone who was onboard the Normandy was on Earth fighting the Reapers. Why would Joker land on Earth, take everyone out when there is clearly still fighting to be done (as seen in the cutscenes) and fly pass some anomaly? Why, after crash landing on an unknown planet would they walk out of the wreckage with smiles on their faces? Hey Liara, Kaiden, Joker, Ashley or whoever was left alive on the Normandy, WHAT ABOUT SHEPARD? What about the rest of the galaxy? What about anything?? Did you lose all your memory when you crash landed and all you can think about is how pretty the scenery looks? This part makes no freaking sense at all. It's just thrown in with no set up and no point.
So there you have it. The Director has already gone on record saying that he stands by this ending for no reason other than it will create discussion. Mission Accomplished. He also reassures us that there will be single player pre-ending DLC for us to buy so we can experience this ending again, and again.
And with that, Mass Effect is done, and I'm left feeling emotionally low. I haven't played the game since it ended, and I had three Shepards with different ME1&2 play throughs to look forward to. But why would I want to go through all that trouble again for something this bad? I'm not going to, and no amount of pre-ending DLC is going to change my mind. Especially when so many areas in the game are just cheap (Tali's face, quest tracking, quest breaking bugs, character flashbacks). I'm just going to let it go and move on to other properties that actually want to mean something.
Bioware's got a PR mess on their hands and people are already trying to find ways to sell off their copies and get at least some back as they're refusing to buy any DLCs that come out. Forbes magazine has run 3 articles calling out Bioware for it and a few members of the bioware forum are thinking of selling their EA stock over this. There are to be other Mass effect games but nobody is going to buy them.
booksandcorsets
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My feelings: Anger and disappointment. I have multiple Shepards, who made many different choices through ME1 and ME2. And at the end of ME3... they will ALL have the same ending. That's *terrible*.
Add to that: I don't know the specifics of what my choices bought. There was no epilogue that wrapped up the world for me. A slideshow, ala DA:O, would have gone a long way to making me feel better about the game. What happened to Wrex and the Krogan? Will what I did with the Geth/Quarians work out?
Just ugh.
I'm really disappointed by those two aspects. However I'm tentatively okay with the endings... if the discussions that are happening on the Bioware forums HERE turn out to be true. (Spoilers, obv): Choose Language | BioWare Social Network
Add to that: I don't know the specifics of what my choices bought. There was no epilogue that wrapped up the world for me. A slideshow, ala DA:O, would have gone a long way to making me feel better about the game. What happened to Wrex and the Krogan? Will what I did with the Geth/Quarians work out?
Just ugh.
I'm really disappointed by those two aspects. However I'm tentatively okay with the endings... if the discussions that are happening on the Bioware forums HERE turn out to be true. (Spoilers, obv): Choose Language | BioWare Social Network
Even with the ending, there are still some elements that really show that Bioware did go the cheap route in a lot of areas.
Tali's face reveal is nothing but a Getty Image with poorly photoshopped elements that violates the Quarian physical structure (Note the fingers).
http://i.imgur.com/EX2fE.jpg
The significantly dumbed down quest system that doesn't tell you exactly where to go, whether or not you've finished what you set out to do, or where the next objective is. All of which was featured in both ME1 and ME2.
That day one DLC. Despite Bioware's claims that it was done by a different studio after the game was certified and finished, it's new squad mate can be unlocked WITHOUT DOWNLOADING the DLC by just modifying one line of code.
Requiem for EA/BioWare - YouTube
Bugs that prevents players from doing Kasumi Goto's quest (BIG NONO).
A bug that prevents your ME1 face and in some cases ME2 face from being imported at all.
That stupid kid.
Tali's face reveal is nothing but a Getty Image with poorly photoshopped elements that violates the Quarian physical structure (Note the fingers).
http://i.imgur.com/EX2fE.jpg
The significantly dumbed down quest system that doesn't tell you exactly where to go, whether or not you've finished what you set out to do, or where the next objective is. All of which was featured in both ME1 and ME2.
That day one DLC. Despite Bioware's claims that it was done by a different studio after the game was certified and finished, it's new squad mate can be unlocked WITHOUT DOWNLOADING the DLC by just modifying one line of code.
Requiem for EA/BioWare - YouTube
Bugs that prevents players from doing Kasumi Goto's quest (BIG NONO).
A bug that prevents your ME1 face and in some cases ME2 face from being imported at all.
That stupid kid.
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