Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Man, that brain poking machine was CREEPY!! My question is why? Why go to all this to save him? I'm sure SHIELD agents die every day. What's so special about Coulson that they would go to all this trouble to bring him back? Just because he is Fury's friend? I don't buy that at all. There must be more to this.
 
I really liked this show until this last episode. Practically every theory I've read in this thread sounds better than what I saw last night. I was hoping that mini cat scan looking machine was somehow implanting a false memory instead of uncovering one, and that was their plan, but Ron Glass seemed to confirm the memory was accurate.
 
I actually liked this theory better than the ones on this thread. I didn't like the idea of a LMD. I'm glad Coulson is still Coulson.:D
 
He still doesn't know what they did to bring him back the doctor said he came in on the 7th Op how many was there and what did they do in the Op that brought him back to life. We only know why they changed his memory's .
 
He still doesn't know what they did to bring him back the doctor said he came in on the 7th Op how many was there and what did they do in the Op that brought him back to life. We only know why they changed his memory's .

If the memory scan weren't interrupted by his teams rescue, we may have learned much more of what they did to him. In next week's previews we see Coulson looking at photos of his own dead body. So he is obviously as dissatisfied as we are with what was revealed, and he will continue to dig for the entire truth. I'm sure the producers of the show will drag this out to another end of season cliffhanger.
 
I feel like some of the unethical stuff include what is moving his blood. Illegal cloning, alien body part, etc.

Sent from my Etch A Sketch.
 
The worst part of Coulson's "resurrection" is that they gave themselves a perfect explanation, right in the show, and completely ignored it.

First, while Coulson was in the machine, you saw what looked like the opening to the Bifrost bridge. Then the doctor said that Fury had "moved heaven and Earth" to make it happen - which could have meant Asgard, considering they (Thor and company) were thought to be gods, in heaven. Tahiti could have been a memory implant in case Coulson was ever captured, it would keep his captors from knowing about Asgardian technology.

All the clues could have easily pointed to Coulson being transported to Asgard, put in the Odin-Sleep healing chamber, and being returned to Earth. It would have been kept in the Marvel universe, and would have an ass-load more sense than being repaired by the matrix bug.

-Fred
 
The thing I didn't get was that the doctor told him that they had to rewire his brain because he lost the will to live. Now does that mean after all the weird procedures they had done (he was saying "Let me die!") he lost the will to live because of the pain? I ask because if I died and suddenly I wake up with someone trying to save me, I'm going to say "Heck yes save me! Keep going!" not "Let me die!".
 
Well if you have seen Thor : TDW, you know that Asgardians can't resurrect dead people. Otherwise they would have done it in the movie.
I do hope there is something more than surgery involved in the resurrection of Coulson, otherwise that's pretty lame.
 
Glass's character didn't explain how long the various operations took - the procedures could have been lengthy enough and painful enough that he didn't want any more of it. All we saw was the final step.

He didn't have scars on his head because they didn't want him to know they'd been poking around in his brain. He knew he'd been stabbed in the chest, so that one stayed.

I did laugh at his comment to Skye about the machine "getting inside his head." She has no idea...

I also loved Skye's locking down the tycoon's phone as her "badge." Pretty quick thinking.
 
He's still organic, they just did really unethical and painful stuff to resurrect him that left him wishing for death before they rewrote his memories.
I agree.

I actually prefer this version over some of the more elaborate, glamorous or contrived possibilities.

As someone approaches death (whether it be from trauma, sepsis or cancer) they (usually) achieve peace with death and accept their final rest. Unquestionably Colsen already went through that process. Remember in an earlier episode where he reassures the doomed fireman that it (the afterlife) "is beautiful?" Evidently Colsen had already passed to the light.

For that reason alone, the process of wresting Colsen from death remains ethically and morally disturbing. The fact that he had to sustain countless hours (days) of untried invasive procedures while fully conscious makes it even more tragic. I can't imagine a worse nightmare than undergoing even a single surgical procedure paralyzed without sedation or anesthesia. Colsen went through what seemed like multiple procedures without his consent and against his will, completely helpless, in hours of unimaginable pain begging for death the entire time.

In medicine (in the United States) it's a prime directive to allow patients the autonomy to make an informed decision whether or not to permit excessive life-staining procedures. Colsen's wishes were clear and his autonomy was clearly violated. Additionally the degree of suffering inflicted on him throughout the process is another disregard for medical ethics and for basic common morality. It's no wonder the surgeon (Ron Glass) was so disturbed.


Colsen in Asgard would have been the very definition of Deus Ex Machina ... arguably it could have been literal Deus Ex Machina, if you think about it.

Colsen as a LMD would feel unsatisfying on many levels.

This version is certainly the most poignant version of events. It also has us start to question the nature of Col. Nick Fury's moral compass.

I think it works.
 
I agree.

I actually prefer this version over some of the more elaborate, glamorous or contrived possibilities.

As someone approaches death (whether it be from trauma, sepsis or cancer) they (usually) achieve peace with death and accept their final rest. Unquestionably Colsen already went through that process. Remember in an earlier episode where he reassures the doomed fireman that it (the afterlife) "is beautiful?" Evidently Colsen had already passed to the light.

For that reason alone, the process of wresting Colsen from death remains ethically and morally disturbing. The fact that he had to sustain countless hours (days) of untried invasive procedures while fully conscious makes it even more tragic. I can't imagine a worse nightmare than undergoing even a single surgical procedure paralyzed without sedation or anesthesia. Colsen went through what seemed like multiple procedures without his consent and against his will, completely helpless, in hours of unimaginable pain begging for death the entire time.

In medicine (in the United States) it's a prime directive to allow patients the autonomy to make an informed decision whether or not to permit excessive life-staining procedures. Colsen's wishes were clear and his autonomy was clearly violated. Additionally the degree of suffering inflicted on him throughout the process is another disregard for medical ethics and for basic common morality. It's no wonder the surgeon (Ron Glass) was so disturbed.


Colsen in Asgard would have been the very definition of Deus Ex Machina ... arguably it could have been literal Deus Ex Machina, if you think about it.

Colsen as a LMD would feel unsatisfying on many levels.

This version is certainly the most poignant version of events. It also has us start to question the nature of Col. Nick Fury's moral compass.

I think it works.

North American Insurance companies and the Affordable Care Act ... Your ethical arguments are invalid. :lol
 
It is possible that long ago he agreed to overwhelming lifesaving procedures. Sort of an anti-living will.
 
Coulson doesn't strike me as the type to agree to that. The read I got off the facts presented to us was it was Fury's call to bring him back by any means necessary, to hell with what anyone (including Coulson) thought or felt.
 
North American Insurance companies and the Affordable Care Act ... Your ethical arguments are invalid. :lol

Of course I'm talking about medical ethics.
Forces behind Federal Legislation and the Insurance Business are not always aligned with those principles.

(We can go into detail about each basic principle - autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence and justice, if you wish. An argument can be made for a violation of every one of those principles with Colsen.)

Besides in this case I don't think the Feds would have a problem with pulling the plug on $3 million to resuscitate a government employee without superpowers.


But I agree with the spirit of your remark. I'm just not going to allow you to get the last word. :p
 
Last edited:
Lest we bring upon us the mighty mod hammer, I suggest we veer away from the politics!!
 
Back
Top