Man of Steel Replica WIP (New lighter blue V2 teaser sample )
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Re: Man of Steel pattern & Costume WIP (Puffy Paint Stretch TEst )
Awesome ill check it out thanks, any bit of INFO is more than welcome
Awesome ill check it out thanks, any bit of INFO is more than welcome
Lunaman
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Re: Man of Steel pattern & Costume WIP (Puffy Paint Stretch TEst )
Welcome. All of your progress and work here has been amazing.
Welcome. All of your progress and work here has been amazing.
steyin
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Re: Man of Steel Replica WIP (New Darker V2 Pictures )
I'll post this here also:
Looking great, though might I say, I think the side piping (coming from the "belt buckle") on the suit is a little too high, makes the torso look elongated. I think the way you did it on the Zod suit is a lot better and accurate. Looking at official pictures, it should start to bend around the obliques and go up towards the back after the first ab muscle, not 1st-2nd. The seams by the crotch also are different from the actual suit, but that's minor.
Can't wait to see the other colors.
I'll post this here also:
Looking great, though might I say, I think the side piping (coming from the "belt buckle") on the suit is a little too high, makes the torso look elongated. I think the way you did it on the Zod suit is a lot better and accurate. Looking at official pictures, it should start to bend around the obliques and go up towards the back after the first ab muscle, not 1st-2nd. The seams by the crotch also are different from the actual suit, but that's minor.
Can't wait to see the other colors.
venomvsspidey11
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Hey how come I've never seen anyone using the raised pattern method you're using to make the webs on a spider-man suit? Would that be something you could possibly do?
Hey how come I've never seen anyone using the raised pattern method you're using to make the webs on a spider-man suit? Would that be something you could possibly do?
Lunaman
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Do you mean by using a large stencil? Hasn't been done because the raised pattern changes direction, size, and color a lot more frequently on a spidey-suit. If you just mean the careful application of gloss puffy paint, which eldonnaty has done on these MOS suits, it's been done on Spidey suits, to superb effect.
kaikurosaki
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Truly a work of art, i'd love to see the MOS suit in person
Truly a work of art, i'd love to see the MOS suit in person
venomvsspidey11
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Couldn't he just make a web pattern stencil? Maybe I'm not fully understanding how this works? And why would the size and color change? It's the same size and color all over.
Couldn't he just make a web pattern stencil? Maybe I'm not fully understanding how this works? And why would the size and color change? It's the same size and color all over.
Lunaman
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It's not the same size all over and not the same color all over, and this is the big one, not oriented in the same direction all over, that's the entire issue. If you were to make a stencil large enough to be practical to speed things up on a Spidey suit, it would pretty much have to follow the contours of the entire suit surface and line up perfectly to the millimeter, at which point you'd basically be making the giant screen-printing apparatus that the movies used. On the Spider-Man suits, the small raised details and the webs are different sizes depending on what area and muscle group they are on, and they are aligned with various diagonals that criss-cross over the surface. The webs are always one color, but for the surface detail in some areas they are dark blue, in some areas they are red, with several changes over a short distance. They're all connected, so you can't just have a small stencil that works in one area of the suit that will also work in another area of the suit. You'd have to make a stencil that covered the entire suit surface. That's not feasible for personal production and use, so people just apply the webbing and details by hand.
Also, in order for a pattern or shape to be applied with a stencil, it has to be made of free-floating shapes that are non-self-intersecting simple polygons or otherwise topologically equivalent to a disk (think about how you can only cut certain shapes into a jack-o-lantern). A webbing pattern has to be a continually-self-intersecting border with large open spaces, so it can't be made with the use of a stencil. All of the negative space in-between bits would fall out or shift around. That's why the 4th film used elaborate screen printing with high-density inks and the original 3 movies used custom-milled giant molds, which can accommodate patterns in those shapes.
The man of steel suit, on the other hand, only has one size and orientation of the small chainmail pattern over the whole suit, and the only color change is on the boots versus the rest of the body suit, so the same moderately sized stencil can be used on any area of the costume. Eldonnaty made a repeating stencil that allowed him to apply the puffy paint precisely and reliably because of the consistency of the pattern, but the concept at work is the same as with anybody who applies each bit of puffy paint by hand on a Spidey suit.
It's not the same size all over and not the same color all over, and this is the big one, not oriented in the same direction all over, that's the entire issue. If you were to make a stencil large enough to be practical to speed things up on a Spidey suit, it would pretty much have to follow the contours of the entire suit surface and line up perfectly to the millimeter, at which point you'd basically be making the giant screen-printing apparatus that the movies used. On the Spider-Man suits, the small raised details and the webs are different sizes depending on what area and muscle group they are on, and they are aligned with various diagonals that criss-cross over the surface. The webs are always one color, but for the surface detail in some areas they are dark blue, in some areas they are red, with several changes over a short distance. They're all connected, so you can't just have a small stencil that works in one area of the suit that will also work in another area of the suit. You'd have to make a stencil that covered the entire suit surface. That's not feasible for personal production and use, so people just apply the webbing and details by hand.
Also, in order for a pattern or shape to be applied with a stencil, it has to be made of free-floating shapes that are non-self-intersecting simple polygons or otherwise topologically equivalent to a disk (think about how you can only cut certain shapes into a jack-o-lantern). A webbing pattern has to be a continually-self-intersecting border with large open spaces, so it can't be made with the use of a stencil. All of the negative space in-between bits would fall out or shift around. That's why the 4th film used elaborate screen printing with high-density inks and the original 3 movies used custom-milled giant molds, which can accommodate patterns in those shapes.
The man of steel suit, on the other hand, only has one size and orientation of the small chainmail pattern over the whole suit, and the only color change is on the boots versus the rest of the body suit, so the same moderately sized stencil can be used on any area of the costume. Eldonnaty made a repeating stencil that allowed him to apply the puffy paint precisely and reliably because of the consistency of the pattern, but the concept at work is the same as with anybody who applies each bit of puffy paint by hand on a Spidey suit.
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I would of never been able to answer this with such detail, thanks you Lunaman!!
However I've been itching to try this method on other concepts, and suit patterns
TASM being one of them
Like Lunaman said, only problem would be making a stencil large enough to cover all webs, not just that it would have to be 3 separate stencils, one for the Webs, Red HoneyComb, and blue honeycomb patterns, making them align perfectly would be a pain in the A**
And pricy $$
I would of never been able to answer this with such detail, thanks you Lunaman!!
However I've been itching to try this method on other concepts, and suit patterns
TASM being one of them
Like Lunaman said, only problem would be making a stencil large enough to cover all webs, not just that it would have to be 3 separate stencils, one for the Webs, Red HoneyComb, and blue honeycomb patterns, making them align perfectly would be a pain in the A**
And pricy $$
Lunaman
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Sure thing.
Oh yea, ever since I first saw the way the MOS suit looked, my thought was, how can we do something like this effect with other costumes and characters? Create a different small, custom repeating pattern depending on the character, turn it into a stencil and create the double-layered effect in coloring and construction. I bet you could make a really cool interpretation of Spider-Man using these kind of techniques on this kind of level, maybe with little interlocking spiders on the surface instead of chainmail links? Who knows.
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Well at first I was looking at something simple like the aqua man suit, maybe using some of these techniques, to create an actual textured fish scale,
The whole spiderman thing isn't a bad idea either
Who knows maybe after this project we'll take on spiderman
Well at first I was looking at something simple like the aqua man suit, maybe using some of these techniques, to create an actual textured fish scale,
The whole spiderman thing isn't a bad idea either
Who knows maybe after this project we'll take on spiderman
steyin
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Hey eldon I forgot to ask, are you putting the pattern on the "belt buckle" and yellow/gold side piping also as it appears in the official suit images? Also curious to see the piping on the sides, can't really get a sense of the cuts/scores that are/should be there like the details on the gauntlets.
Hey eldon I forgot to ask, are you putting the pattern on the "belt buckle" and yellow/gold side piping also as it appears in the official suit images? Also curious to see the piping on the sides, can't really get a sense of the cuts/scores that are/should be there like the details on the gauntlets.
venomvsspidey11
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Well I wasn't talking about any specific Spider-Man suit from the movies, I was talking about a basic comic style suit with the same sized webs all over and possibly no brick/honeycomb pattern. Have you posted a picture of this stencil?
Well I wasn't talking about any specific Spider-Man suit from the movies, I was talking about a basic comic style suit with the same sized webs all over and possibly no brick/honeycomb pattern. Have you posted a picture of this stencil?
Lunaman
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Re: Man of Steel Replica WIP (New Darker V2 Pictures )
Eldonnaty has not posted a picture of the stencil for the MOS suits, no.
You'll notice that I explained why ANY web pattern can't be repeatedly laid down with a stencil, because of the geographic constraints involved. If you'd like to cut out individual free-floating pieces to take up every inch of the negative space of the surface of the red fabric outside the webs and align them separately every time instead of just following the lines without a stencil, you're more than welcome to, but it won't work as a time- or labor-saver in any capacity.
Eldonnaty has not posted a picture of the stencil for the MOS suits, no.
Re: Man of Steel Replica WIP (New Darker V2 Pictures )
the V2s will be having the patter on both buckle and belt
i suppose, we could make a simple pattern/stencil for a basic suit
but why send the time on a basic suit, GO BOLD or GO HOME maybe after MOS we'll try doing TASM
itll be hard to get every shape, line and web done at the right angels, almost impossible but we'll never know unless we try
ill email you some closer shots, but to answer your question the buckle and belt on the V1s don't have the Chain link patter
the V2s will be having the patter on both buckle and belt
i suppose, we could make a simple pattern/stencil for a basic suit
but why send the time on a basic suit, GO BOLD or GO HOME maybe after MOS we'll try doing TASM
itll be hard to get every shape, line and web done at the right angels, almost impossible but we'll never know unless we try
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steyin
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venomvsspidey11
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How exactly is this stencil made and how big can you make one?
How exactly is this stencil made and how big can you make one?
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