Luke's Lightsaber Mando series finale.

[SethS]

You mentioned TLJ... Do we know if they made/used an FX version of Luke's green saber at all for TLJ? All I am aware of that we saw was the TFA table shot and the TLJ resin Hero. I'm thinking that they never even made a Luke FX for the ST.

Still in question given they are passing off that resin thing as official. It certainly doesn't look resin the movies-- but yeah, it could be pure CG... That said I feel like the would have had something for reference in the scene-- the way the blade lights up Luke's face I feel like there was some sort of practical saber there.

I probably should have just stuck with the Darksaber reference.

 

[Mark P]

Still in question given they are passing off that resin thing as official. It certainly doesn't look resin the movies-- but yeah, it could be pure CG... That said I feel like the would have had something for reference in the scene-- the way the blade lights up Luke's face I feel like there was some sort of practical saber there.

I probably should have just stuck with the Darksaber reference.

That's what I was thinking too... I asked about TLJ because we were told earlier in the thread that multiple "Creepy Uncle" sabers were seen during the Mando production. It would be interesting to know if that was the base for the FX since the Elstree seems to be the base for the belt hanger. I feel like at this point we will just keep talking in circles though, at least until new BTS stuff shows up.

 

[Halliwax]

That's what I was thinking too... I asked about TLJ because we were told earlier in the thread that multiple "Creepy Uncle" sabers were seen during the Mando production. It would be interesting to know if that was the base for the FX since the Elstree seems to be the base for the belt hanger. I feel like at this point we will just keep talking in circles though, at least until new BTS stuff shows up.

i dont think when that was mentioned "creepy uncle" was suppose to be taken as the prop we know.. idk i read it as "luke sabers" maybe im wrong

if it is real creepy uncles, then we know metal versions were made for TLJ and they are now on the mando set...

 

[SethS]

I feel like if they had those, then they'd have used one as a hero as well. We'll never know for certain with TLJ, since there was so much retouching going on, what the actual prop may have looked like. Same with the stunt in TROS-- you can never get a good look.

To me, the mystery is why go to google for references when you have my book... hahaha! Or you know, the archives. Even if the Hero and V3 are out on tour, the archives would have images galore we've barely seen.

 

[Mark P]

i dont think when that was mentioned "creepy uncle" was suppose to be taken as the prop we know.. idk i read it as "luke sabers" maybe im wrong

if it is real creepy uncles, then we know metal versions were made for TLJ and they are now on the mando set...

That's what I am wondering... was the belt hanger was a new prop (Made to be more accurate to the ROTJ Hero than the ST props were) and the stunts used either from the ST or having been based on them (being recently used production pieces). We know they had access to some of the Rogue One and ST stuff (based on other props in the show) and perhaps they would be "close enough" for stunt work.

 

[Welsh Pirate]

That's what I was thinking too... I asked about TLJ because we were told earlier in the thread that multiple "Creepy Uncle" sabers were seen during the Mando production. It would be interesting to know if that was the base for the FX since the Elstree seems to be the base for the belt hanger. I feel like at this point we will just keep talking in circles though, at least until new BTS stuff shows up.

It might be possible that Hero Props and Stunt/FX Props are separate departments. Which means there could have been a breakdown in communication between the two leading to them using reference photos from different sabers.

Or it could be intentional. The emitter of the Creepy Uncle seems like it lends itself to holding a blade better than the plate and nipple that would be more accurate to ROTJ.

 

[SethS]

Prop departments are generally in charge of all versions. They will coordinate with wardrobe for hero props and the stunt coordinator for props used in action. They report to the production designer, who gives them direction based on breaking every scene down with the First AD and director. The director has the final approval of any prop seen on screen, save for anything (like say a live-fire weapon) that a stunt coordinator would legally have to sign off on.

 

[Halliwax]

Prop departments are generally in charge of all versions. They will coordinate with wardrobe for hero props and the stunt coordinator for props used in action. They report to the production designer, who gives them direction based on breaking every scene down with the First AD and director. The director has the final approval of any prop seen on screen, save for anything (like say a live-fire weapon) whbich a stunt coordinator would sign off on.

 

[SethS]

I should add, that's for films-- on a TV show, the director of an episode will sign off on things specific to their episode, but legacy props used over the season, or things personal to the lead characters, and/or require continuity fall to the show-runner, production designer, and possible script coordinator.

Star Wars, with it's legacy of props and endless reference material, obviously comes with a lot of gaps auto-filled in.

 

[Welsh Pirate]

Prop departments are generally in charge of all versions. They will coordinate with wardrobe for hero props and the stunt coordinator for props used in action. They report to the production designer, who gives them direction based on breaking every scene down with the First AD and director. The director has the final approval of any prop seen on screen, save for anything (like say a live-fire weapon) whbich a stunt coordinator would sign off on.

I meant more like a further delegation of work within the prop department. There are probably people better at making pretty stuff and people better at making functional stuff.

Though the more I think about it, the more Occum's Razor leads me to believe they just reperposed some Creepy Uncle stunts made for TLJ, but decided to make a new hero that was a bit closer to the ROTJ hero while still idealized, and ended up landing on the Elstree for reference.

 

[Halliwax]

I should add, that's for films-- on a TV show, the director of an episode will sign off on things specific to their episode, but legacy props used over the season, or things personal to the lead characters, and/or require continuity fall to the show-runner, production designer, and possible script coordinator.

Star Wars, with it's legacy of props and endless reference material, obviously comes with a lot of gaps auto-filled in.

Ok ok.. now your just showing off

 

[SethS]

I meant more like a further delegation of work within the prop department. There are probably people better at making pretty stuff and people better at making functional stuff.

Though the more I think about it, the more Occum's Razor leads me to believe they just reperposed some Creepy Uncle stunts made for TLJ, but decided to make a new hero that was a bit closer to the ROTJ hero while still idealized, and ended up landing on the Elstree for reference.

A breakdown in jobs/skills for sure happens-- but not in a vaccum. The prop master and production designer would be aware of everything and it's on them to coordinate.

 

[Mark P]

Looks like they have done some more work on the Luke scenes... looks like they did more work on his face, particularly the mouth movement. Doesn't really help in regards to the lightsaber prop but I thought some of you may want to check it out regardless.

Who knows, maybe I'm just getting more used to the effect.

 

[CAPNMURICAH]

Looks like they have done some more work on the Luke scenes... looks like they did more work on his face, particularly the mouth movement. Doesn't really help in regards to the lightsaber prop but I thought some of you may want to check it out regardless.

Who knows, maybe I'm just getting more used to the effect.

Was kinda expecting a "patch" of sorts. I'm convinced he only looked a bit rough in the first place due to a very small team doing the work to keep spoilers at a minimum. Now that the world knows, why not touch it up a bit?

 

[Joek3rr]

Looks like they have done some more work on the Luke scenes... looks like they did more work on his face, particularly the mouth movement. Doesn't really help in regards to the lightsaber prop but I thought some of you may want to check it out regardless.

Who knows, maybe I'm just getting more used to the effect.

So I'm not the only that thinks it looks a tad better. Yay!

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

Adam Savage agrees if he was the prop master on the show with so many good Luke lightsaber options available he would just buy one instead of making one.

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[JoeG]

Yeah, well, considering how that video he made where he made one from scratch went, I can't say I blame him for saying that. Doesn't mean that's how it went down though.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

I'm surprised how many people I've heard tell me they didn't really remember where they were in the timeline.

 

[CAPNMURICAH]

I mean, not to sound dismissive but that's just Savage's view of it and his opinion of it has no effect or implication on how they actually did it. Sure, he's well known but he's not the whole prop department Mando has. As him, one guy looking at it after a failed attempt, sure why not buy a ready made hilt? However as a full prop TEAM with more people, funding etc. who have done much more complex work than a standard hilt for this very show, whether its the hero or the FX stunt, I don't see that happening.

With what we know, I can't buy it being a premade hilt. Sure it's less work but there are a lot of things they could have done in this show that would have been less work but they don't do it that way and they don't do it that way very consistently. I can't see why that would be different with Luke's hilt.

 

[HMSwolfe]

At the same time, isn’t one of the production designers for the show someone who also worked on the prequels? And for the most part, it does seem like industry attitude towards these props is very different from what most of us on these forums would do, even the few that actually do work in the industry. Again, think about the Skinnyflex, the wrong Vader lightsaber in R1, stuff like that. Times where the wrong reference was used, or not that much research was done towards a prop, etc. (Edit: specifically about recreating an existing prop, not general prop research.)