Larry Young
Master Member
Yep! and the guy in the party list right after her was "Tesla, Nicholas plus one." I cracked up.
Lost season 6 with spoilers beware
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Yep! and the guy in the party list right after her was "Tesla, Nicholas plus one." I cracked up.
Larry Young
Master Member
Well, they made a point of saying she was attending the party "solo" and you know, True Love, and all.
I'm pretty sure that's Widmore's first wife or office fling or something. I'm kind of interested where "Faraday" came from in our world since his mother's name was Hawking.
Larry Young
Master Member
That was a fantastic episode, right up there with "The Constant"
Heh; that's particularly apt, especially with Minkowski all over this episode. I did my usual wrap-up and analysis:
http://www.spectacularry.com/?p=158
...this part might be useful to "The Constant" discussion:
4. I GUESS I’VE BEEN IN LOVE BEFORE AND ONCE OR TWICE I’VE BEEN ON THE FLOOR BUT I’VE NEVER LOVED NO ONE THE WAY I LOVE YOU: It was really cool to have Minkowski be Desmond’s limo driver in Dimension X, since, if you’ll remember, after being mentioned for several episodes, we finally see him in the Season Four turning-point show “The Constant,” which, unless you’re some sort of soulless zombie assassin in thrall to a vaporous, murderous cloud, you’re going to recognize as the Desmond and Penny True Love episode and arguably the best single episode to date. Minkowski, in our timeline, was the doomed communications officer on Widmore’s freighter who after trying to get to the Island without using the proper coordinates, became unstuck in time and eventually died the nose-bleeding brain hemorrhage death you do when that happens. But in that death, Minkowski helps Des understand he needs Penny, his constant, to help his time-travelling consciousness stay grounded. You all see where this is going, here, at the end, don’t you? Like my good pal Gib Bickel said: “Even a nuclear explosion can’t kill True Love!”
So Minkowski dies to help Des understand Penny’s The One; Charlie dies helping him understand Penny’s out there trying to find him; Faraday dies (at his own mother’s hands!) because she loves the timestream more than her own son; Charlotte dies because Faraday’s love for her can’t save her; I mean it goes on and on. Basically, the only people who die on this show from anything other than Too Much Love or Not Enough of It are redshirts on the beach being hit by flaming arrows out of nowhere.
clonesix
Master Member
"Faraday dies (at his own mother’s hands!) because she loves the timestream more than her own son"
I don't think she knew it was him when she fired. He was a stranger who was holding a gun to Richard. I also feel that the reason Daniel (who hasn't previously tried to use violence as a motivator) pointed the gun at Richard , is unclear.
good analysis on Minkowsky. It was great seeing Fisher again.
I don't think she knew it was him when she fired. He was a stranger who was holding a gun to Richard. I also feel that the reason Daniel (who hasn't previously tried to use violence as a motivator) pointed the gun at Richard , is unclear.
good analysis on Minkowsky. It was great seeing Fisher again.
Larry Young
Master Member
Thanks for the kind words; I pretty much spend half the day on them, so I appreciate it when folks dig 'em.
I was talking about present-day Eloise Hawking sending Faraday back to the Island, knowing that he'd skip back to 1977 as an adult where she'd shoot him as a young woman. So, yes; 1977 Ellie didn't know anything other than a stranger had a gun on Richard, but I think you can safely say a mother who loves the timestream so much that she knowingly sends her son back not just to die but to die at her own hands is a stone cold timestream lady.
I agree that that was pretty out of character for Daniel at that point, but I had figured he was just experiencing a little temporal caisson after all of that. Dude was always kind of twitchy, if you ask me.
I was talking about present-day Eloise Hawking sending Faraday back to the Island, knowing that he'd skip back to 1977 as an adult where she'd shoot him as a young woman. So, yes; 1977 Ellie didn't know anything other than a stranger had a gun on Richard, but I think you can safely say a mother who loves the timestream so much that she knowingly sends her son back not just to die but to die at her own hands is a stone cold timestream lady.
I agree that that was pretty out of character for Daniel at that point, but I had figured he was just experiencing a little temporal caisson after all of that. Dude was always kind of twitchy, if you ask me.
Larry Young
Master Member
I just assumed with all the knowing looks in the mirrors and do-I-know-yous going on that under normal circumstances Desmond would run away from that loon without a look behind him to see if he was following. But at that point he had had the not-Penny's-boat experience with Charlie and had been reamed by a woman he just met who seemed to know all about him that sitting and listening to a lunatic on a comfortable bench out in the fresh air seems, I dunno, kind of pleasant.
My good pal Mark Herr just dropped a Westies17-style Jughead on me over on my FB page in the thread about this, that maybe the reason Old Eloise seems to know everything about past-present-and-future from the "Flashes Before Your Eyes" ep onward is because she's the judge between the Jacob/Man In Black competition. That there might be an impartial third party reffing the game just blew my circuits.
Capn_Jack_Savvy
Sr Member
OK so in every week Lost tease on ABC they always state "All questions will be answered!" So I thought we could start a list of questions and see if ALL questions are truly answered!! Please add to the list!
1. What is the purpose of The Island?
2. Why are people drawn to the island?
3. Why are people brought to the island through tragic events?
4. What is the purpose of some of the main characters? Widmore? Sayiid? Smoke Monster? Jacob? Dr. Jack? Richard? Desmond?
5. What is the significance of the numbers?
I still don't think ABC has enough time left to answer all the questions in the few episodes that are in the can. I hope they don't try to answer ALL questions in the series finale because it would need to be 2-hours long and have "pop ups!"
1. What is the purpose of The Island?
2. Why are people drawn to the island?
3. Why are people brought to the island through tragic events?
4. What is the purpose of some of the main characters? Widmore? Sayiid? Smoke Monster? Jacob? Dr. Jack? Richard? Desmond?
5. What is the significance of the numbers?
I still don't think ABC has enough time left to answer all the questions in the few episodes that are in the can. I hope they don't try to answer ALL questions in the series finale because it would need to be 2-hours long and have "pop ups!"
Eopie Herder
Sr Member
Aren't the numbers them? In the lighthouse, didn't the numbers on the dial match their names, or was it the cave wall?
Larry Young
Master Member
Thanks! Five more to go!
Risu
Master Member
Who were the bodies in the cave? (can't remember whether or not they really answered that) What happened to Bernard and Rose? The Dharma initiative: Why? What do Widmore and Eloise have to do with/what were they doing on the island? Do any of the original main characters actually matter anymore?
clonesix
Master Member
I was just rewatching, and remembering: Desmond goes with Sayid after the attack. It makes sense for Desmond, when previously, it was Sayid who got Desmond the phone call to Penny. Sayid and George are his "constants"? They connect him to Penny.
Yes, the one person who could explain, Widmore (Since richard, after 150 years, doesn't know anything), didn't really get a chance to explain anything!
Yes, the one person who could explain, Widmore (Since richard, after 150 years, doesn't know anything), didn't really get a chance to explain anything!
Larry Young
Master Member
1. They haven't said who the bodies in the cave are, although early favorites Rose and Bernard (because of the "Only fools are enslaved by time and space"/"Bones of Nadlers may lay lost deep in cave" anagram) seem to be crossed off because of their "retirement." The Locke-Dressed Monster said one of the only three ways out of the game is to just leave, so Rose and Bernard have just left.
Recently, I thought it might be Jacob and Smokey, somehow, but with Jacob getting killed by Ben that seems unlikely.
I thought it might be Kate and Sawyer for a long time, because those are two of the most irredeemable characters. Sawyer murders people left and right without compunction, and Kate killed her step-father in one dimension and an innocent plumber in the other. So it makes sense from a narrative standpoint that they redeem themselves by sacrificing themselves for their friends.
But with Tuesday's ep having Widmore tell Desmond he's going to demand a sacrifice to put things right, I'm thinking it's Desmond and Penny and True Love in the cave.
2. Bernard and Rose are just sitting it out in their Gilligan's Island tropical retreat. I loved that ep where we see them again at the end of Season Five and Bernard has a long beard and is all serene and whatnot and Rose says "What is it with you people?" That just made me laugh.
3. Saying "The Dharma initiative -- why?" is like saying "The Jem Ha'dar -- why?" about Deep Space Nine or "Principal Rooney -- why?" about Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Your main characters need someone or something to struggle against; otherwise it's just pretty sweaty people smooching each other in polar bear cages. Which has its appeal, sure, but won't make the show last six years. I really enjoyed the Dharma/Others/other-Others-in-the-Temple/Team Jacob/Team Smokey dynamic as it evolved over the six seasons.
4. Both Widmore and Eloise were leaders of The Others in the late 70s; the Others being a faction that witnesses the game between Jacob and the Smoke Monster.
5. I think the six candidates: Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Jin, Sayid, and Locke (with the last two obviously not being candidates to replace Jacob anymore, but, still) matter quite a bit to what's going on here at the end. Fact is, I think Mrs. Hawking is not just Eloise, though, mother of Daniel and former leader of the Others. I think Mrs. Hawking, who met Desmond in “Flashes Before Your Eyes,” the one that was guiding everyone at the Lamp Post Station, and the one giving Desmond a hard time in Dimension X, is really a manifestation of the Island. I won’t go all the way to saying the Island is Locke’s crazy mother, but weirder stuff than that has happened on this show.
I think the end is going to be Jack and Fake Locke sitting on the beach in the future watching a hovercraft or something full of people in 2019 coming towards the Island and Locke saying, "Do you know how much I want to kill you right now?" and Jack(ob) saying, "You know the rules." as the game continues.
